i had a chip uprgrade put in and for 3 weeks it went well then the detonation sensor cut the boost. it was like that for 2 weeks then he cleared the warning and i went down the road and melted exhaust valve in the front cylinders. he said it was bad luck but when my mechanic started taking it apart he found one of the actuator hoses hanging off. i checked on friends car who he head done the same work and he had put brand new clips on his and the was nothing holding mine on. he now says its because i had bosch platinum plugs so he is not paying up when he said he would. i have spoke to lots of tuners and they say hes talking out of his arse. does anyone have an opinion on my problem?

Firstly I would like to know how he "Cleared" the detonation problem.

 

The only way to do it is to sort out the detonation, or to put a resistor on the sensor wire so that the signal thinks everything is OK.

he plugged it in to conzult and cleared the warning using his laptop

detonation does not cause a det sensor fault error code, only an actual det sensor failure causes the error code, and the error code would have come back after he reset it with the conzult unless the problem was fixed. Thats besides the point though, to the best of my knowledge theres no way any spark plug can melt valves, only detonation, so yeah he's talking out of his arse, he should fix it.

so it was probably a coincidance that the det sensor failed? anyway i spoke to Torque developments and power engineering and they both said it doesnt matter what plugs you have if you have and uncontrolled boost things are gonna melt. by the way the company who did it was zedworld, or as i call them shedworld. he also said he was gonna cover the costs of my rebuild but when i finished the job he changed his mind.

zedworld

 

Here we go again. :nelson: :x:

has someone bad mouthed them before?

Search is your friend ;)

is that you yoda?

i think you need to ask the question "how was the detonation cleared" if the Det sensor was bypassed (and this is done regularly by some people) this doesnt not sort the problem - it only fools the ecu into thinking that there is no problem.

 

Best of Luck

 

Regards,

 

alex

so it was probably a coincidance that the det sensor failed? anyway i spoke to Torque developments and power engineering and they both said it doesnt matter what plugs you have if you have and uncontrolled boost things are gonna melt. by the way the company who did it was zedworld, or as i call them shedworld. he also said he was gonna cover the costs of my rebuild but when i finished the job he changed his mind.

 

Z500 as long as you stay with the facts thats fine but please dont attack companys on here thanks.

Z500 as long as you stay with the facts thats fine but please dont attack companys on here thanks.

"COMPANY" you got to be avin a Larf Mac? Company usually indicates a firm of good standards and bussiness ethics does'nt it or am I as nieve as its customers find out they are.

is it not a good idea to tell people about good and bad companies we all have dealings with and let them make up there own mind? my business runs on reputation as do most businesses, good or bad.

is it not a good idea to tell people about good and bad companies we all have dealings with and let them make up there own mind? my business runs on reputation as do most businesses, good or bad.

 

there is nothing wrong with giving good or bad comments about a garage you have dealt with, as Mac has said you must stick to the facts then there is not a prob , you will find lots of info on the site regarding the garage that worked on your car :x: . there is always a risk to anybody upping the boost on these cars but providing the boost is kept within the limits of the injectors etc and a decent chip program is been used there should not be a problem , obviously I am not aware of all the facts but is does sound like the garage in question is just looking for a get out due to shoddy workmanship

 

Ryan

i have had a chance to look at the history of this forum and yes there has been alot of bad stuff and good stuff said. i accept people make mistakes, i spray cars for a living and when someone is not happy i put it right. what really annoys me is this guy said he was gonna pay up and when my mechanic had finished the job he changed his mind. i find this to be cowardly and all he was doing was hoping i would go away. if he said no in the first place i could of gone legal but now its i fixed it myself the solicitor said i dont have a leg to stand on. i just feel sad that there are still people in the car trade that wont own up to honest mistakes.

Z500 as long as you stay with the facts thats fine but please dont attack companies on here thanks ( Quoted My Mac )

 

Mac very well done a fair and correct comment it is indeed essential that facts are kept to when passing comments about individuals and companies in the main so you do not later end up looking a fool and secondly so you do not get yourself in legal hot water.

 

Z500.

Mmm.. you know what's next don't you? regretfully you force me to make you look like that fool.

 

Following the conversion of your ecu, set up which was spot on you had in your own words three weeks of no problems.

 

However after this time you asked me to look at the car at very short notice as it seemed like the power was less than it had been the previous 3 weeks.

 

The Saturday you came was busy, you were in a non chargeable allocated time slot, after a ConZult check the det sensor circuit showed a code 34 fault, this was explained to you as a sensor or cable fault NOT that you had been detting. The fault appeared to reset which often means the cable has an intermittent fault on, also an O2 sensor ( n/s) showed up as slow to react.

 

Both of these potential faults were identified and explained you need to book the car in for the work to be done as you could not leave the car that day. I explained fully to take it easy and once the problems were sorted all would be ok again, sadly you forget all I told you by ...the end of the drive as you left “dukes of Hazzard” style with tyres screeching and engine revving madly, this was witnessed by at least 4 other customers who's descriptive comments of you would not get through the swear filter here.

 

Within 20 minutes of you leaving you rang to say you had broken down and although the engine would run there seemed a misfire. Asking what led up to this to see if it was a simply problem I could resolve over the phone you said you were doing your best to attain 160 mph and as you changed gear it banged and the power dropped off..

 

We arranged a recovery immediately ( you paid) we removed plugs and pipe work to assess the problem and upon inspection found the two front spark plugs to have the electrodes missing, a compression test on these two cylinders showed that damage was done internally as there was little or zero compression, at this point the plugs suitability were questioned and you confirmed that you had fitted them.

 

The following conversation was not exactly upbeat but that of your explaining the speed and gear change scenario you had mentioned to me earlier, in fact you and your passenger seemed resigned to the fact that you had had taken it to the max in 4th gear despite my warning to take it easy until further work was done and that it was your own doing.

 

The conversation was overheard by at least 2 other customers who had seen your earlier showing off and were even less impressed by your 160 mph comments in view of your now damaged engine.

 

You had the car collected and I have NOT seen it since, you contacted me to say a pipe was displaced from the turbo actuator and that alone was the cause of the damage.

 

I did agree in principle to listen to you some more when the engine was stripped, as much out of interest as anything, time passes as the repair is undertaken, you contact me to ask about compensation, bearing in mind I have not seen the car since it left, seen any parts or photos of damaged parts, seen any form of documentation to support what you was telling me, so I asked you to fax me a copy of the invoice of parts you had replaced.

 

After a while what I received was nothing more than a wish list for all zed owners, a massive selection of upgraded parts, upgraded everything! the fax also was NOT a receipt but a price inquiry sheet from your supplier, further conversations with yourself you said you did not have any receipts? that the supplier did not give you any. ?

 

Previous to this I was considering assisting you in some way as a gesture of good will only, but with time I began smell a rat here no receipts, alleged pipes off wrong spark plugs, disastrous ( witnessed) driving style

 

In fact at the time and I told you this I have seen a zed recently with an actuator pipe off completely ( following a condenser change by another garage) that had driven to the South of France and back with no trouble at all, in fact the owner was real happy with the increased performance but was sad when I had to put it back and explain what the situation was, 2,500 miles in the late Summer...no problem.

 

So there you have it, I always help where I can in genuine cases but unfortunately this definitely was self inflicted and I reiterate you chose to drive your car in a manner that led to the engine damage despite my warnings to take it easy until the other work was done.

 

 

“Shedworld” why thank you I refer you to the end line of the first paragraph of this thread

 

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As closing comment I see the a couple of posts from the usual suspect immediately putting their oar in,

 

Vince ...Why do you do it? shake my hand in private ( Billing) and slag me in public, I am confused.

 

Alex, ....The detonation circuit fault was only reset at ecu level via the ConZult no addition

 

Clarkey ..Plugs alone do not cause detonation..correct, however plugs that fail due to their unsuitability can fail, burn out and hence damage the engine.

 

Ryan ... Tut, Tut

 

Jeff TT

I know mate, sad but its the world we live in. If someone gives their word for paying that kind of money to fix something, get it in writing. if they wont do that you know just how much you can realy trust em.

you simply cannot leave pipes hanging off, doesnt matter what else happens.

you simply cannot leave pipes hanging off, doesnt matter what else happens.

(quoted by z500)

 

One of the first correct comments you have made. but this was not the cause and well you know.

 

Also the “Shedworld” comment, again I refer you to the end line of the first paragraph of my reply.

 

 

 

Jeff TT

LOL nice work slagging a customer off, really installs some faith. Spark plugs could NOT cause that engine damage, if you honestly believe they could then I'd question your knowledge and ability to work on these cars. Actuator pipe off WOULD cause that damage - I've got proof of that with my own car!!! The det circuit would also not prevent any damage, so that is irrelevant. The car simply overboosted, detonated and destroyed the internals of the 2 cyliners.

Quoted by Andy Duff

LOL nice work slagging a customer off, really installs some faith.

 

Sarcasm from you Andy well, wonders never cease, customer had misrepresented the situation I mealy put that right.

 

Quoted by Andy Duff

Spark plugs could NOT cause that engine damage, if you honestly believe they could then I'd question your knowledge and ability to work on these cars.

 

Doh? did you not read the thread at all? I did not say the spark plugs where the definate cause of anything, that is the owners interpretation, the plugs had the ends missing, the ends of the plugs HAD damaged the engine, what damaged the plugs, this is the contention, was the plug inappropriate for the application because if it was and it failed because of this then the plug WAS to blame.

 

Quoted by Andy Duff

I'd question your knowledge and ability to work on these cars

 

I refer you to the last line of the first paragraph of my original reply.

 

 

The owner was warned to not drive the car hard until remedial work took place, he and he alone decided to ignore this advice and try for a license loosing 160mph 10 minutes after been advised not to, the point is what ever the cause mechanical or otherwise the onus was on the owner in this particular case because he ignored the warnings.

 

Quoted by Andy Duff

The det circuit would also not prevent any damage, so that is irrelevant. The car simply overboosted, detonated and destroyed the internals of the 2 cyliners

 

Simply put your wrong and right at the same time the detonation sensor may well have been faulty as seen on the ConZult and in your view unable to reduce boost level but it will have reduced timing advance at the ecu level at the very least.

 

Adding your name to the list of usual suspects Mr. Duff surprises me very little.

 

Jeff TT

not sure i rate as a usual suspect jeff - in fact the post wasnt even pointing a finger at anyone in particular - it HAS become common practice to bypass the det sensor by some, and i still cant see that this is wise.

 

Regards,

 

alex

Alex,

 

Point taken. Usual suspect description taken back.

 

Jeff TT

LOL legal threats :rolleyes: looks even better to everyone there - I simply said IF..... I never said I did!!!! (although I am starting to wonder). The ecu would not have been able to reduce the timing enough to prevent detonation, it overboosted due to no actuator action.

 

Notice how the list of (as you describe) "usual suspects" grows every time? Also every time this happens, you blame it on the "usual suspects". Nice get out! Face up to the facts instead of dodging the issues in question and pointing the finger elsewhere!!!

Well, im a newbie here and that made great reading.

someone is bending the truth or i am bending the needles in my car. 160 in 4th, thats impressive even for me. told me to take it easy, just like your bruv did after you cleared the warning and he took it for a rag and said that was the fastest one he' been in, i bet with the turbo on full wack. i was in fith gear as we all know boosts the longest and hardest which was just too much im afraid. and that wish list has all now been attached to my car after a rebuild by a qualified mechanic who witnessed your handywork and says you are WRONG.