How many times do you hear people raving about the cons of driving aids. "Ooh I prefer the raw driving of TVRs etc, no ABS to interfere, blah blah..."

 

Get over yourself! :slap: I am no Michael Schumacher and I'm sure most people arent :rolleyes: Why do people try to brag by complaining about driving aids? It must be cool to not need driving aids.

 

Apologies to those who are really good at balls out driving on the limit, on the public roads ;) God ABS must really get in your way. I dread to think how you are supposed to drift sideways up the motorway slip road with Stability Control activated :rolleyes:

 

Any thoughts?

 

All in the name of a fun debate of course ;)

 

Cheers

 

Pete

Let's wait until the next snowfall or ice in Northants and then we'll see how much you like your ABS! ;)

LOL shrimpy I think you've done a good job of proving you're one of the "lesser" (;)) folks who really does need this kind of equipment.... Didn't help you though did it :tongue: :rofl: ;)

 

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Good job they don't put all that gubbins on TVR's FFS! Nothing works for very long on them anyway without having to panic about all that technology going south aswell. ;)

My point exactly Dave (shut it Andy ;) )

ABS is a great invention, and so is traction controll but its nice if you can turn it off when you want though ;)

I went to a RS owners day at Croft circuit recently and on the 0-60 sprints I saw a R34 skyline do a 4.7 and it was the most boring thing to watch all day, no matter how hard he revved it of the line the traction would take over and gently ease the power down.

Cosworth's were running similar and faster times in a hail of smoke, noise, flames and sideways action.. I know which one I would rather have been sitting in LOL :D

Bet the Skyline was quicker though ;)

 

Why not disable the power steering too lol

My point exactly Dave

Is it? My point is that ABS is sh*te in the snow or ice, so you should be able to turn it off. ;)

ABS on a Zed is actually shite! Never known such a poor ABS setup.... All IMO of course ;)

 

There ya go Pete, thats in your defence ;):D

Ah fair enough :D

Think my opinions on this are fairly well known, bit of a purist.

BUT, ABS on the z dosen't work with bigger callipars, so if you've got GTR stuff you should at least disable it. Oh, and it makes the pedal feel crap.

I agree with shrimpy! (fook!), TC is fab. ABS, although will give you marginally longerstopping distances than without driven by someone applying the brakes to perfection, is there to allow steerability which you wont get if the wheels lock - far more important IMHO.

 

never had any cause for complaint with HICAS myself either.

Think it depends on the implementation and whether you can turn it off... some examples.

 

Throttle reponse on a 3-series is bloody awful until you turn it off... couldn't even get me downshifts right with it on. But WTF it interferes with throttle response when your foot's on the clutch anyway is beyond me. And you can't turn it right off.

 

On the other hand the EBD on the 8 is amazing... it improves braking rather than interfering with it. The TCS on that is good too - comes in late enough you can still squirm it out of corners but early enough you basically can't spin the car with it on, unless you really mean it.

 

On the track I'll be turning it off, but it turns off properly, that's the thing - and only because it's more fun that way, not because I'll be able to outdrive it.

 

In the Z ABD interferes with threshold braking and destabilises the car - load of poo.

 

It's good to have driver aids when you're on public roads half-asleep in the rain... but it detracts from the challenge when you're driving the car as hard as you can / dare. So decent aids which you can switch off when required - yes please.

 

(Can't help thinking of the Smart trying to launch at Trax 0-60 :D )

I went on a skidpan session (great fun) and the instructor said that there was no way a normal human can manually (or pedally) brake better than ABS - let alone retain steering control.

the best driving aid would be to get rid of all the tossers who can't drive off the road!

that way we would'nt have to try to predict the unexpected!

personally I can't think of a time when I wish I had traction/lanuch control at the lights?

nor can I think of a time when I had to steer and slam on at the same time?

are'nt things like that suppost to be there for the 'what if...' senario happened.

It's just seems more daring to have no driving aids at all and be silly, but as a back up their ok for saving your car from slamming into a tree!

the best driving aid would be to get rid of all the tossers who can't drive off the road!

that way we would'nt have to try to predict the unexpected!

 

Here here :bow:

 

The Mrs' Vectra 140SRi has traction control and I tell you you can power round a roundabout foot to the floor in the pissing rain in first gear quick as fook :eek: Then keep the power down off it and you're away :bow: More fun than pussyfooting around it ;)

 

FWD is obviously as little easier to do this but NO WAY could I imagine a zed keeping up with it in the wet in these situations

 

I agree traction control is pointless in a straight line though.

I always turn my driving aids off in Grand turismo 3

I always turn my driving aids off in Grand turismo 3

 

I see Grovesy is keeping it real......

 

:rofl: ;)

Lol :)

I always turn my driving aids off in Grand turismo 3

 

I leave TCS on at level 1 once you get over about 300bhp or so in a light car - always turn ASM off though.

 

And always take at least a second off me lap times by drifting :D

 

Quote from me mate's 12-year-old son... "Well, I beat you, but you get more cool points"

 

personally I can't think of a time when I wish I had traction/lanuch control at the lights?

 

 

Nor me, but only because I'm not that arsed about drag racing. It would be helpful when the boost arrives quicker than expected! The relationship between throttle position and actual go was never that predicatable in the car with an AVC-R fitted...

 

nor can I think of a time when I had to steer and slam on at the same time?

 

Only way to get the Leon to drift :D

 

And only way to get the Z through switchbacks at any kind of pace too...

 

(Not slamming on though, admittedly, can't think when you'd ever want to slam on even when pissing about)

 

Talking about sensible road driving though, here's a time you might want it:

 

Car in front of you on the motorway cuts in and then loses it. Because they've cut in you've not got a 2-second gap - and because the car behind is a Mondeo, there's not even a .2 second gap there - so you'd want to move into a different lane (to avoid the car behind going into you) and brake hard at the same time (to avoid going into the car that's lost it)

 

Could probably think of a dozen other examples...

 

And also - advanced drivers might leave stopping distance and escape routes - but no other buggers do. I'd much rather those other buggers had ABS than not.

TC was/is cool but Benny and Brains were cooler! LOL :D

dont forget choo-choo!! :rofl:

I dont like traction control takes all the fun out of driving! nothing like the shaking and the sweating you get after nearly loosing it ;)

 

And by the time you have found the button to turn the poxy thing off the lights have changed, and you've lost the race :(

I dont like traction control takes all the fun out of driving! nothing like the shaking and the sweating you get after nearly loosing it ;)

 

And by the time you have found the button to turn the poxy thing off the lights have changed, and you've lost the race :(

 

ahh, but thats why my RaceLogic TC is so much fun. adjustable, so just set to the desired amount of slip & leave it there ;)

I dont like traction control takes all the fun out of driving! nothing like the shaking and the sweating you get after nearly loosing it ;)

 

And by the time you have found the button to turn the poxy thing off the lights have changed, and you've lost the race :(

 

 

When you crash it then can I have first dibs on any mods you've got? :rofl: ;)