hi guys, not meant to be a dig or anything, but why is it that you guys have a superior V6 engine to the RB26-DETT and have trouble/have to spend so much money to get anything close to the Skyline? ;)

don't worry m8 you'll get your 2nd wind lol, my kids have just started driving themselves, one has just passed his test, so started with fast cars went to sensible (ish) cars, now back to whatever takes me fancy

and leave the missus to drive the car big enough for ferrying people round,

though i think she is in her 2nd childhood lol, as she wanted the z convertible

from ebay, i keep telling her to act her age not her shoe size :tongue:

 

I started with Bikes and lets face it if its just a pi55ing contest as to which is quickest then buy a decent motor bike. I then did the 4X4 sketch with kids and dogs 3 Range Rovers, 1 Toyota Amerson and 1 Nissan Patrol. I wanted a Z from the day I saw my first in 1990. I've done the Skyline sketch and I got a T5R 350 ish BHP 4 wheel drive etc and its great for the winter, But I love high powered Rear wheel drive cars and the Z much scarier and more fun. :rofl:

..........Well I have had a 2.8i Celica Supra, a 3.0i Turbo Soup a Capri 2.8i FFS! Sorry the Capri is made by Ford for the benefit of Stu! ;) Oh and I own a modified Z before you all start b1tching! ;)

 

Just curious as to why alot of our members are jumping ship for Toyota or anything other than a Nissan badge! PMSL :)

 

I had 2 Mkiii Soop 3.0i Turbos before the ZX and they were pretty good cars, although my ZX is a lot faster (the only mods I had then - and have on the ZX are replacement air filters - so nothing major ;) ) I considered an MR2 tubby (tested a few) and indeed the 0-60 is on par with the ZX but the ZX has it whipped onto 100 - so much more torque which made the ZX better for overtaking - more comfortable too :) I did like the handling of the Mr2 - better than the ZX round the twisties :cool:

 

The UK spec Soop TT is way faster that a ZX in stock guise, after all they run 12sec 0-100 times, (slightly lighter car with 326bhp / 330lb/ft torque) but try finding a decent one now :rolleyes: I gave up and bought my ZX as it wasn't worth paying over £10K for an imported (280bhp) Soop that is barely faster than a £5k Zed.... :cool:

 

I've been thinking about replacing my ZX lately and a Skyline is the logical sucessor, but I'm not mad on the looks - Mk4 Soop is fekking ugly too.

 

I'll probably stick with the ZX a little longer - only had it a year and still love driving it....

 

Richard :)

Doesn't Jeremy Clarkson have the Z32 300zx TT in his 'Top 100 Cars' ever !?

Doesn't Jeremy Clarkson have the Z32 300zx TT in his 'Top 100 Cars' ever !?

 

 

yes but for gods sake how old is this book? Henry fords model T was a great car once, but nowadays in the grand scheme of things?

yes but for gods sake how old is this book? Henry fords model T was a great car once, but nowadays in the grand scheme of things?

 

the BOOK was a dvd in 2001, so not nearly as old as henry ford

3 years just qualifies for an mot :tongue:

Jezz, you'll never win this one...

 

Totally agree, Z is a tunable GT, that's it. OTOH none of those examples you give were around in 1989 (except maybe the Porsche?)

 

Z is GT, Skyline is a saloon homologation jobby - nowt to do with each other.

4 pot will always be down on torque but the power can be extracted.

 

[cough] RalliArt were aiming for 450ft-lb, not 450bhp, and damn nearly got there. Your example of RC is currently running 673ft-lb (that's six hundred and seventy three, people)

 

Does beg the question why the Z can't do that all day every day though doesn't it? Especially if it's a GT, it should be tuned for torque...

end of discussion I am afraid. Its about time weight reduction kits come out. afordable weight reduction that is

 

Well, let's see...

 

Decent 10mm spanner, fiver.

Big bin liner, tenpence.

 

That's five pounds and 10 pence... not bad for a couple of tenths off your quarter. :cool:

Hi there..just read this huge thread..took me about half an hour! Heres my ideas on what makes a super car. Its what the best things you could do to design a car from scratch, so every aspect is the best it can be...

 

Seperate chassis and body, you treat the two seperately (ie not monocoque..as a whole)

Mid or Rear mounted engine

Exotic body materials and metals

Most aerodynamic as possible

Accurate steering and feedback

Braking feel and balance

Two seats

Low weight as possible

Natural balance and handling (no need for clever electronics, or 4wd)

 

 

This is why things like the Noble and Lotus are supercars. Basically, if you can look at your own car, and see any of the areas above that could have been improved by the original designers, then its not a supercar..sorry :cry:

Quiet funny watching my old D reg S12 Silvia eat R34's, wish my Z had the same legs on it!!

dont know about you guys but i've beat loads of them skylarks up at crail.

Hi there..just read this huge thread..took me about half an hour! Heres my ideas on what makes a super car. Its what the best things you could do to design a car from scratch, so every aspect is the best it can be...

 

Seperate chassis and body, you treat the two seperately (ie not monocoque..as a whole)

Mid or Rear mounted engine

Exotic body materials and metals

Most aerodynamic as possible

Accurate steering and feedback

Braking feel and balance

Two seats

Low weight as possible

Natural balance and handling (no need for clever electronics, or 4wd)

 

 

This is why things like the Noble and Lotus are supercars. Basically, if you can look at your own car, and see any of the areas above that could have been improved by the original designers, then its not a supercar..sorry :cry:

 

How about the naff interior on the Lotus Esprit GT3 which, the one I sat in, had Vauxhall Nova indicator sticks and Carlton electric window switches.

 

If you use your "if nothing can be made better" then there would never be a supercar, as the next Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etc would never be made as it wont be better. To make it better mean the previous one wasnt a Supercar, and when the next come the now current one wont be a super car. So can there ever be a supercar?

 

A Lamborghini Diabo is no the lightest thing in the world, and could be a lot lighter and thus faster, if you take the interior out. It can be improved on from the original design, so its not a super car, according to you.

 

Also acording to you, the McLauren F1 is not a Super car as it has 3 seats and does not fit with your 2 seat theory. So according to your terms, the worlds fastest road car is not a supercar.

 

The Ferrari 456 is not a supercar because it has rear seats.

 

Ferrari Enzo is not a super car because it has 4WD as does the Lamborghini Murcielago and most of the Diablos to name just 2 super car manufactures. The Murcielago is the only road car do complete a 24 hour non-stop road test where the average speed over the 24hours was over 200mph and they didnt stop the clock for changing drivers or pit stops. But according to you its not a supercar because of the 4WD system, traction control etc.

 

And lets not forget that Lotus invented the active suspention with they use on their cars. I remember it getting banned from F1.

 

The Esprit has a Relault 25 gear box, which you can hardly discribe as exotic materials. Its a gearbox from a naff french family car.

 

The Noble has a US Ford truck engine in it. Hardly exotic and the body panels are plastic arent they?

 

And can you say that the Noble and Lotus Esprit are supercars considing a vast majority of the engine or drivetrain has been bought from another car company and not been made or designed by the company who makes the engine?

 

20 years ago when technology wasnt what it is now. You had to make a car balanced to make it handle better, make it lighter to make it go faster. But not any more.

You dont realise how much technology is in a car nowadays. You cant always see it bu it's there. You find my a new sportyish car which doesnt have Variable Valve Timing which is a computer controlled thing.

Hi there..just read this huge thread..took me about half an hour! Heres my ideas on what makes a super car. Its what the best things you could do to design a car from scratch, so every aspect is the best it can be...

 

Seperate chassis and body, you treat the two seperately (ie not monocoque..as a whole)

Mid or Rear mounted engine

Exotic body materials and metals

Most aerodynamic as possible

Accurate steering and feedback

Braking feel and balance

Two seats

Low weight as possible

Natural balance and handling (no need for clever electronics, or 4wd)

 

 

This is why things like the Noble and Lotus are supercars. Basically, if you can look at your own car, and see any of the areas above that could have been improved by the original designers, then its not a supercar..sorry :cry:

 

so you just happened to register, then quickly find a 4 month old post,

and thought this one looks a good one to reply to for my first post, and then

that post just happened to have a dig at the Z, i take it you've shaved your arse and walk on your hands?? cos you deffo posted a load of shite :tongue: :nono:

How about the naff interior on the Lotus Esprit GT3 which, the one I sat in, had Vauxhall Nova indicator sticks and Carlton electric window switches.

 

If you use your "if nothing can be made better" then there would never be a supercar, as the next Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etc would never be made as it wont be better. To make it better mean the previous one wasnt a Supercar, and when the next come the now current one wont be a super car. So can there ever be a supercar?

 

A Lamborghini Diabo is no the lightest thing in the world, and could be a lot lighter and thus faster, if you take the interior out. It can be improved on from the original design, so its not a super car, according to you.

 

Also acording to you, the McLauren F1 is not a Super car as it has 3 seats and does not fit with your 2 seat theory. So according to your terms, the worlds fastest road car is not a supercar.

 

The Ferrari 456 is not a supercar because it has rear seats.

 

Ferrari Enzo is not a super car because it has 4WD as does the Lamborghini Murcielago and most of the Diablos to name just 2 super car manufactures. The Murcielago is the only road car do complete a 24 hour non-stop road test where the average speed over the 24hours was over 200mph and they didnt stop the clock for changing drivers or pit stops. But according to you its not a supercar because of the 4WD system, traction control etc.

 

And lets not forget that Lotus invented the active suspention with they use on their cars. I remember it getting banned from F1.

 

The Esprit has a Relault 25 gear box, which you can hardly discribe as exotic materials. Its a gearbox from a naff french family car.

 

The Noble has a US Ford truck engine in it. Hardly exotic and the body panels are plastic arent they?

 

And can you say that the Noble and Lotus Esprit are supercars considing a vast majority of the engine or drivetrain has been bought from another car company and not been made or designed by the company who makes the engine?

 

20 years ago when technology wasnt what it is now. You had to make a car balanced to make it handle better, make it lighter to make it go faster. But not any more.

You dont realise how much technology is in a car nowadays. You cant always see it bu it's there. You find my a new sportyish car which doesnt have Variable Valve Timing which is a computer controlled thing.

 

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Thanks all....for most people taking everything so litterally,I dont remember slating the zed, it was my opionions on what makes a supercar, and dont think because it has a Porsche or Ferrari or Lamborghini badge on it is a super car.

 

Few of your points, Diablo is heavy, handles strangely, heavy steering, poor pedals, and not as quick off the mark from low revs. Your right about that. If I was working as a supercar designer then I would expect a selection of criteria to meet from the company, so why didnt I meet all of them?

 

Mclaren is the ultimate supercar, 3 seats or not..lighten up!

 

Yes, Ferrari 456 is not a supercar...pretty obvious

 

Murcialago, 1700kg. So's a Jag.

 

Enzo, matches the Mclaren in the 0-60 stakes, that will be the 4wd and the traction control then, F50 & 40 were supercars.

 

Noble has a Ford turbod V6, but noble made it the way they wanted, and is quicker than a Diablo, so who picked the better engine?

 

Renault 25 gearbox, and the problems with that were..?.The Renault box has Borg Warner internals and mechanically replicates a ZF racing box inside. If they had put in a porsche or ferrari box I suppose that would make it faster would it?. The gearbox chosen was perfect for the application. I suppose an auto would be better would it?!

 

Manufacturers only have to fit all the gadgets and gizmos, because the next guy is. 99% of people who buy supercars, havent got the faintest idea how a good car should drive.

 

Ive driven a lot of 'supercars' (not the Mac or Enzo), but im objective, I ignore the badge and the price, and the pre conceived image of how the car 'should perform'. Its only nuts and bolts at the end of the day. The Noble and Lotus V8 are flawless in the driving experience, I have an Alpine610, which i find is the same thing again, because it follows the fundamentals of the basics you should have. Theres a Diablo site on the net, where they describe the 610 as a direct contender to the Lamborghini..who are they to comment, theyve probably never driven one!

 

And..BillyNoMates...wasnt having a dig at the Zed, but if Im posting it... your driving it.

This may have been posted here before, but I cant be arsed to read all this again (read it the first time round :tongue: )

 

You've got to remember that the Z32 was designed in the late 80's, so at the time it was a supercar!

 

And in my mind still is, yeah there are faster and more exotic supercars out there, and there always will be................. But it's only personal perception that makes a sports car a supercar!

 

My 2p worth (again ;))

just got the 300zx book, did you know they only made 165,000 Z's

just got the 300zx book, did you know they only made 165,000 Z's

 

Which book is that? Is it the one that was for sale on the Z Club stand at Billings this year, at about £38?

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Thanks all....for most people taking everything so litterally,I dont remember slating the zed,

 

 

And..BillyNoMates...wasnt having a dig at the Zed, but if Im posting it... your driving it.

 

 

seems you one minute state your not slating the z, then suddenly it's shite????

 

as i said before, you registered and then found the one post to reply to

from hundreds of others, you say you drive a Alpine610, so you found this forum how????? and for what reason??

 

do us all a favour and drift back where you came from, i'm sure 99% of people on here value your opinion as much as the local big issue seller

and that you will be such a great asset to the forum, that i doubt you will be sadly missed, ive even found someone who maybe interested in your drivel

 

http://www.palisadestoys.com/Forum//forumdisplay.php?f=3

 

http://www.palisadestoys.com/Forum//forumdisplay.php?f=3

 

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http://www.palisadestoys.com/Forum//forumdisplay.php?f=3

 

ROFLMGDFAO :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: .............. Read the Mupet question at the top............... Funny as fook :D

dave hit the nail right on the head...........the z in the 80's was a supercar and as such it still deserves a little respect today but hell lets face it this is a 300 forum ure not going to get people who are here because they own one and have spent stupid amounts of money on their car to take a ribbing without retorting......its not fun knowing you have spent vast sums in the pursuit of speed or bhp then something new comes along and spanks you for a lot less some people will just see sense and move on to better things but a niche group will always keep what they see as a car legend alive and fair play to them for doing so

Spot on Tooley!

dave hit the nail right on the head...........the z in the 80's was a supercar and as such it still deserves a little respect today but hell lets face it this is a 300 forum ure not going to get people who are here because they own one and have spent stupid amounts of money on their car to take a ribbing without retorting......its not fun knowing you have spent vast sums in the pursuit of speed or bhp then something new comes along and spanks you for a lot less some people will just see sense and move on to better things but a niche group will always keep what they see as a car legend alive and fair play to them for doing so

 

The Z32 was a supercar in the early 90's. Todays supercars are all 500 to 600hp twice what the z is and cost over $100,000. But give me 20 grand and I will equal the performance of the modern "supercar".

The Z32 was a supercar in the early 90's. Todays supercars are all 500 to 600hp twice what the z is and cost over $100,000. But give me 20 grand and I will equal the performance of the modern "supercar".

Was gonna say about the same.

 

My Z owes me roughly 10k

 

Ive seen 185mph on the clock (UK car)

 

and done a 13.2 sec 1/4 at the pod.

 

Nuff said i reckon!

you can buy a lot of cars for 10k and then spend another 20k that would not only own a z but also be a lot more reliable.......and lets not try to stray too far from the league a z is in.......its defo not in ferrari or lambo territory and anyone who says it is delusional.....the z was aimed at high end 911 or bmw of the time and in this sense it did perform to expectations and then some but here is the shift in expectations z owners then beleived it was a ferrari or lambo killer something its never gonna be.......in its class the z is unique and will be so for a good few years yet but 20 years on its bound to have youger cars nipping at its heels.......you are never going to get back what you put into the z as the depreciation is now hammering them yet at the same time the cost of parts isnt which is the only thing that will be the z's doom.....its cheaper now to maintain an old porker even a lambo than it is to carry on with a z and thats not fiction