Just look at these two motors that were done in at Japfest at the weekend:(

 

 

 

 

Lets' be really honest... the number of scoobs etc. out there being driven by nim-nols in baseball caps with an IQ that bearly equals the sum total of the registration numbers of their cars is just a bloody awful prospect on a track.

 

 

LMFAO :rofl:

 

 

 

I know it's easy to watch a vid and say I would have done this or that however..........................................

 

 

IMHO That scooby that crashed would have got around that corner no problem,all he had to do is leave the steering wheel where it was.

Instead he decides to whip it to the left and head straight for the wall WHY?

Both cars driver had abought as much of a clue as each other. there are clearly 2 breking markers in the skyline clip, he didnt break till past the last one, on the inside with momentum swinging him outward, no way was he going t make that corner.

 

Problem is, people read about how good the car is, BUY people who can drive them properly, then they assume they are some sort of slot car and they will never go off.

 

Track days are fun, but they are way better in other peoples cars or when you have no other person around.

 

As for the scooby, he needs to take hi proficency test again, what an ass, if he had kept the power down he would have spun round and not off.

 

Give me an airfield with no walls anyday

Not worth the risk in a 20K+ New Scooby

Would be ACE in a battered XR2i

I know people are going to say a 2i is nowt compared to an Scooby but you've gotta start somewhere and I think that lessons/practice in a banger would be more fun cos it would'nt matter as much if you total it! (without injury to any persons)

R32...

 

http://www.ratdat.com/vids/100_2566.MOV

 

Now I know Skyline brakes are very good but that it taking the piss :rofl:

you guys seem to be missing out the third off at japfest, so here goes...

 

http://www.snapt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Japfest%201.wmv

you guys seem to be missing out the third off at japfest, so here goes...

 

http://www.snapt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Japfest%201.wmv

Unlucky that, he thought he'd got away with it!!!

 

Rich:D

My two cents then...

 

Now I've seen how people behave at these "have a go" events I don't think I would join one of those sessions either - but definitely up for a "proper" track day. I've been trying to get on the track with the Z for a year now but it's not been running well enough for long enough yet. :rolleyes:

 

The R32 was an idiot - trying to overtake on the outside on a corner, especially when there were that many cars around.

 

The Scooby was more just unlucky IMHO - I've just watched the in-car vid and whilst some of his overtaking could have been done a bit more cleanly and he was a bit ragged I can't really see he was driving "too hard". Doesn't matter how careful you are, these things happen. (My only spin in the Z to date was at 20mph on neutral throttle.) I agree, I would have tried to steer out of it rather than brake - esp in a 4wd - but then I'm not sure it would occur to me when I was heading straight for the Armco!

 

MAC, maybe he came off the throttle too quickly and then snapped the steering straight instead of just winding it off? The driving in the rest of the laps is less than smooth...

 

Scooby behind him must have sh!t himself!

 

I guess he had a new boost controller in from the conversation, anyone else notice that?

 

Having said all that I'd have been quite happy to go out with the Z session - everyone was very well behaved!

 

(I was there but for some reason didn't see any of the offs... I saw a Scooby pulling some heroic four wheel slides but I'm not sure it's the same one - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~zevans/CIMG0044.AVI and http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~zevans/CIMG0045.AVI)

My experience of Race Tracks is that any event where Jo public can just arrive and drive is just looking for trouble. Every body and his dog think they are good drivers and the sad truth is only about 5% actually are and of that 5% only 5% are really good.

 

A friend of mine owns a outdoor Gokart circuit and used to allow owner drivers to use it on Sunday mornings. FFS all you got was the events of Idiotcy found with arrive and drive, but faster and more dangerous. Most people don't hav a clue about car control.

 

Proper events were people are graded by skill levels and the nutters weeded out I think are great. Arrive and collide (arrive and Die) defo not.

 

P.S. I think I'm a good driver, but some days I think what I did was stupid. Then again it cost too much to get devorced :rofl: :rofl:

My experience of Race Tracks is that any event where Jo public can just arrive and drive is just looking for trouble. Every body and his dog think they are good drivers and the sad truth is only about 5% actually are and of that 5% only 5% are really good.

 

A friend of mine owns a outdoor Gokart circuit and used to allow owner drivers to use it on Sunday mornings. FFS all you got was the events of Idiotcy found with arrive and drive, but faster and more dangerous. Most people don't hav a clue about car control.

 

Proper events were people are graded by skill levels and the nutters weeded out I think are great. Arrive and collide (arrive and Die) defo not.

 

P.S. I think I'm a good driver, but some days I think what I did was stupid. Then again it cost too much to get devorced :rofl: :rofl:

 

 

Well Mark that is the reason why THEY ARE NOT WORTH DOING:D far too many :xxx:and schuknackers out there. :rofl:

My two cents then...

 

Now I've seen how people behave at these "have a go" events I don't think I would join one of those sessions either - but definitely up for a "proper" track day. I've been trying to get on the track with the Z for a year now but it's not been running well enough for long enough yet. :rolleyes:

 

The R32 was an idiot - trying to overtake on the outside on a corner, especially when there were that many cars around.

 

The Scooby was more just unlucky IMHO - I've just watched the in-car vid and whilst some of his overtaking could have been done a bit more cleanly and he was a bit ragged I can't really see he was driving "too hard". Doesn't matter how careful you are, these things happen. (My only spin in the Z to date was at 20mph on neutral throttle.) I agree, I would have tried to steer out of it rather than brake - esp in a 4wd - but then I'm not sure it would occur to me when I was heading straight for the Armco!

 

MAC, maybe he came off the throttle too quickly and then snapped the steering straight instead of just winding it off? The driving in the rest of the laps is less than smooth...

 

Scooby behind him must have sh!t himself!

 

I guess he had a new boost controller in from the conversation, anyone else notice that?

 

Having said all that I'd have been quite happy to go out with the Z session - everyone was very well behaved!

 

(I was there but for some reason didn't see any of the offs... I saw a Scooby pulling some heroic four wheel slides but I'm not sure it's the same one - http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~zevans/CIMG0044.AVI and http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~zevans/CIMG0045.AVI)

 

 

If you watch the video you will notice he is not accelerating around corners which is how you make a 4WD work. He starts off doing and then stops. He also flicks the car into corners instead of smoothly turning into it. Later on in the vid its more apparent. It also looks like they are bouncing round the corner with the wheel. Instead of a smooth turn in and smooth turn out, its like he keeps quickly flicking the steering in when going round corners, like trying to make the tail come out.

 

Infact when you watch it is awful driving.

 

Infact when you watch it is awful driving.

 

 

 

 

So Stu,now you have seen video footage of what goes on would you take the risk?

On a track day or have a go day?

 

There are 2 different things. Well organised track days that wouldn't be allowed to happen, plus you are told to keep your distance.

 

When organising the Grimsby TD, I had to argue with the organisers because he said its not a good track for beginners. They also wont let beginners on a track with people who have done a few days before. That is a proper track day organiser!

 

To me, you will have more damage to your engine on the 1/4 mile run. And more of a chance of coming round a blind corner on a country A road and seeing , animals on the road, people, broken down cars, pot holes, tractors pulling out etc. You also have cars coming the other direction who could make a mistake and cause a head on collision. Dont say it wont happen because it does, all the time.

 

The 3 crashes I have seen on that have a go day, have all been 100% driving like a ****er.

 

Blue Subaru crash was a total ****er and I hope his car is a write off because he shouldnt be allowed to drive. Look again, he was trying to drift the car round. Look at the brake lights and you will realise that the only time he brakes is when he is on the grass.

 

Skyline driver was being a total ****er, trying to overtake people on the outside of a corner, is dangerous to himself and others. Look at Alonso in the F1, if they crash doing that a Skyline will. He should not be on the track.

 

I properly organised and Marshalled track day any sign of that and they will be taken off. Plus no offence to people who went the Jap Fest, but those drivers are the type of people it generally attracts, and they try to show off to the croud.

 

Proper trackdays cost a lot more, because they are marshalled and have St Johns Ambulance in attendance. The higher price puts off pricks like that, plus I really doubt that serious safe track day people would put up with that. If they get banned from one organiser, I am sure they would pass on the information to others.

 

I have been to watch a few track days and the few times I have seen some one lost the back end, even slightly and even by accident they where flagged to come in and given a warning.

 

The only thing stupider than driving like that on a track is driving like that on the normal roads. When people brag about doing 160mph in their Z. Wooo lots of skill in that.

On a track day or have a go day?

 

 

 

Like 90% of them have a go I am a ****er day. Japfest Trax etc

 

If we were to organize somthing just for us lot I am sure it would work out fine,however a mixture of all the Jap cars on one track at the same time is a complete disaster why?

 

They are all trying to prove who has the best car out there,look Scooby 4x4 is the way to do it,NO Supra is far superior to all the Jap cars apart from Skylines:D,NO Evo7 is the fastest around a track,NO a 200sx is the one as if you smash it who gives a shit:D etc etc ;)

Like 90% of them have a go I am a ****er day. Japfest Trax etc

 

If we were to organize somthing just for us lot I am sure it would work out fine,however a mixture of all the Jap cars on one track at the same time is a complete disaster why?

 

They are all trying to prove who has the best car out there,look Scooby 4x4 is the way to do it,NO Supra is far superior to all the Jap cars apart from Skylines:D,NO Evo7 is the fastest around a track,NO a 200sx is the one as if you smash it who gives a shit:D etc etc ;)

 

 

No. 90% are not turn up and have a go days. There are 2-3 a week in peak period and you have to book way in advance to get your time one. Some are limited to how many cars can go on at once.

 

We will have to try get a day going again, with just Zs. I doubt that 25-30 people on here would all sign up so we would probably have to let some other people on. But its not impossible to get 25-30 Z owners on there, just some people need to have more faith in themselves.

No. 90% are not turn up and have a go days. There are 2-3 a week in peak period and you have to book way in advance to get your time one. Some are limited to how many cars can go on at once..

All the ones on this forum have been Stock car smash up events,EG Trax and Japfest,Don't kid yourself Stu It would never happen on here,Chris@ Greddy tried and yes NOTHING!

 

 

We will have to try get a day going again, with just Zs. I doubt that 25-30 people on here would all sign up so we would probably have to let some other people on. But its not impossible to get 25-30 Z owners on there, just some people need to have more faith in themselves.

 

Some people need more faith in themselves? Don't you mean some people are complete CLOWNS to even think of mixing it with the cars on the vids?

All the ones on this forum have been Stock car smash up events,EG Trax and Japfest,Don't kid yourself Stu It would never happen on here,Chris@ Greddy tried and yes NOTHING!

 

 

 

 

Some people need more faith in themselves? Don't you mean some people are complete CLOWNS to even think of mixing it with the cars on the vids?

 

 

Errr, I think I get your point. It only takes 1 person to ruin it. You could go to these events and ever see any problem and thust go about doing your own business. But if I was on that track and saw people driving like and the organisers doing nothing about it, I would get off the track.

 

I think some people should go and watch a proper track day and you will see its better organised and the people who are driving are out to have a fun days driving, not to drift round corners or show off infront of their mates.

Proper track days are wicked, I think we established that

 

Come an ave a go events are a bad idea - everyone agree? :D

 

Just as a point, who remembers the Lotus Carlton at Trax 2001? :rolleyes: Did he get taken off? NO! You are threatened in the briefing but from experience they never take you off on these days - proper track days are another matter entirely...

Doh it did happen many many moons ago,I forgot about Kemble:D

LOL that day was simply awesome :D Tim having to drive round with the targas out because he was too tall with his helmet on :D

 

Thats the point though, it was a properly organised event with novices and first timers being taken round the track by the local regulars, giving advice on everything from lines to braking points etc...

 

I wanna do another :D Where's that vid again???

LOL that day was simply awesome :D Tim having to drive round with the targas out because he was too tall with his helmet on :D

 

 

Hmmm, thanks for that Mr Duff, I remember that flowery cushion on your driver's seat just so you could see out! ;)

 

Mac, In short if you don't like track days don't do them, and tbh those tubs of yours will take so long to spool up that you'll probabally be lapped by the Corsa brigade, so perhaps you wouldn't get much out of a track day. However, I'll not challenge you to a top speed run at Bluntingthorpe thanks. :D

 

I've been on a few Track Days, the last one I attended was at Brands and run by On Track and EVO magazine and it was fantastic, there were all standards of drivers there, but predominantly novices. There were also all types of cars from Saxos to GTRs. The weather was atrocious but noone fell off the circuit and it was a day without incident.

 

I think the point you are missing is that noone wants to go home with a bent car, everyone has paid money to have a good day. Paying £200+ for track time shows a degree of commitment to what you're doing, whilst sticking your hand in your pocket for £30 or some such figure for track time at Trax or Japfest is obviously going to brind the dick'eds out. Oh, and one last factor...

 

Spectators!

 

You don't get many on a track day, but Japfest and Trax are there to make the organisers money and the same idiots that hammer it around the town ring roads will be trying to show off in front of the crowd.

 

Whilst I'll happily pay £300 for a track day I wouldn't even consider taking to the tarmac on the type of event talked about above.

 

Tim

LOL that day was simply awesome :D Tim having to drive round with the targas out because he was too tall with his helmet on :D

 

Thats the point though, it was a properly organised event with novices and first timers being taken round the track by the local regulars, giving advice on everything from lines to braking points etc...

 

I wanna do another :D Where's that vid again???

 

There is always a third and possibly an even safer way that will teach people some race craft, measure skill levels as initially everyone will be using the circuits kart/cars, then people can be grouped as per skill levels and let out on the curcuit in there own cars.

 

It could be organised at a proper major curcuit that has Race schools. It would be a full day event and cost about £200 to £250 Mid week during summer or similar price of season. ie sh1t weather. If you get enough takers then you know who's safe for the next event

 

You can coun't me in for any reasonably organised event. Or even have a meet at Llany Gors Outdoor Gokart curcuit. 80mph with your arse 2" of the ground feels very quick and its all down to driver skill not bigger turbos etc.

This is a proper FIA championship Curcuit, infact the best in the country

 

Mac, In short if you don't like track days don't do them, and tbh those tubs of yours will take so long to spool up that you'll probabally be lapped by the Corsa brigade, so perhaps you wouldn't get much out of a track day. However, I'll not challenge you to a top speed run at Bluntingthorpe thanks. :D

 

 

 

I would do a proper track day but not a national clowns stock car smash up event.

 

Oh and you are a cheeky pratt :nono:

LOL that day was simply awesome :D Tim having to drive round with the targas out because he was too tall with his helmet on :D

 

Thats the point though, it was a properly organised event with novices and first timers being taken round the track by the local regulars, giving advice on everything from lines to braking points etc...

 

I wanna do another :D Where's that vid again???

 

 

Here

 

http://www.nissanzx.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Kemble_Trackday.wmv

 

Thats the point though, it was a properly organised event with novices and first timers being taken round the track by the local regulars, giving advice on everything from lines to braking points etc...

 

...and there's a another thing - when I stood just down from corner's entry point I could see the lines of the cones marking turn in and exit quite clearly. I only saw three or four cars using anything LIKE that line - that's pretty disgraceful given that I must have watched 4 or 5 sessions. (Can't comment on the Zedders, I was watching that from near the pit straight.) Most of them were coming into the corner from somewhere near the middle of the straight. :rolleyes:

 

(The black Pulsar seemed to be doing the occasional hot lap and chilling the rest of the time... he struck me as someone who knew what he was doing.)

 

I agree with SRRAE, the Scooby driver was seriously ragged - I think because he was trying to flick the car into drift, but that's really not the way to do it, esp in a 4wd car. Even more especially in a 4wd car set up for understeer... so hats off for that, but I now think the fact I saw a couple of goodies was luck rather than judgement!

 

If you want to drift rather than lap quickly you could always go to a drift meeting...

Yeah the scooby guy WAS trying to lose the back end by jerking the steering wheel - TOSSER :xxx: Maybe someone should tell him not to use the steering wheel like his nob :x:

 

The problem with these events (and this is from first hand experience - you live and learn) is that even though every driver must attend a briefing, giving you the do's and don'ts etc, the kind of person going thinks they know it all and have no need to listen...

 

Ah well.....