I was speaking to friends last week about how the mirror publishing these pictures. IMO the best recruitment campain Al Queda have ever run. This poor yank fell is just the first of many more that will follow. Don't get me wrong I don't think these fudamentalist have become so because of the Mirror but, the mirror stories have gone all round the world enthusing Islamic extremeists to rally for the Jahad.

 

Look we don't allow publication of extreme literature or imagery of white religious or political groups. We have laws to put people in prison who do. Even if what they say is true, because of its power to insight bigoted attacks so why has this newspaper been allowed to print this stuff. Surely in the interest of public safety they should have gone to the government and said sort it or we print it. They have placed proffit before anything else and public safety is one of many issuse I feel need addressing.

 

History has shown us that irresponsible story telling has been enough to start world wars in which millions of inocent people die. How can bringing the disgusting behaveour of some American and British troop into the world wide media do anything but inflame a volatile situation. Its public airing has only made the quality of the normal Iraqi people worse and our lives more dangerous while giving violent nutters more amo to kill and maim. What was the editor thinking. I think its Treasonous and the b@stard should be hung a traitors gate when the first Britten is killed in reprisal attacks.

The UK pictures are fake. For starters, that person was supposed to have an 8 hour beating, when I didnt see a mark on him. He was wearing an Iraqi football shirt just to show it was an Iraqi which is totally lame, plus the shirt looked brand new.

The boots where laced up incorrectly. The pockets of the pants where empty where soilders in war will have every pocket filled with medical tools, maps, ammo. You just dont waste pocket space. The army does not use potatoe sacks to cover people's heads, how many potatoe fields are there in Iraq? The gun in the picture was not one the troops are using in the Gulf and the truck is which the picture is taken inside is again not used in the Gulf. The photographs are in black and white to hide the colour of the skin of the people in the photo. Black and white film is actually not very easy to come across and only a few places actually develop black and white photos. Plus nowadays every profesional news photographer will use digital pictures of which all are colour.

 

The Mirror has not changed its description of the photographs. They said they where real photos of the things happening and now they are saying its an acurate representation of what is happening. Notice they have dropped saying they where genuine?

 

Personally I think the Mirror should be held accountable but to prove it in a court of law that people died as a direct link to those pictures is hard.

 

The terrorists will kill people for any reason and for no reason. This discusting beheading of a US worker would have happened whether or not these pictures came out or not. They would have just gave another reason for doing it. And lets not forget the killing of the Italian worker too who was filmed being exicuted and then sent to the media.

 

 

 

Stuart

not sure about them being accountable for US Death, but no way on this earth should they be allowed to print the garbage they do, and then NOT suffer ANY consequences, as i pointed out in a previous post, it shows the morales of those from the mirror, when todays mirror contains 2 full pages re their big exclusive, yet less than half that reports this guys death

 

Piers morgan should be arrested for incitement, are the photos real/are they fake? some twat should have made 150% sure they were before publishing,

it's no coincidence he used to work for the sun, another story telling comic

 

study the mirror this week, a whole page telling us the blue peter tortoise is dead, more then they published today about this poor guys fate, all these "exclusives" have done is give the tree hugging brigade fuel,

 

the rights and wrongs of whether we should be there or not is another arguement, a footballer makes a gesture or something at opposing fans, and he's done for incitment, as discussed recently on here ron atkinson makes comments, and he's out of his job,

 

am i missing something here??

The UK pictures are fake. For starters, that person was supposed to have an 8 hour beating, when I didnt see a mark on him. He was wearing an Iraqi football shirt just to show it was an Iraqi which is totally lame, plus the shirt looked brand new.

The boots where laced up incorrectly. The pockets of the pants where empty where soilders in war will have every pocket filled with medical tools, maps, ammo. You just dont waste pocket space. The army does not use potatoe sacks to cover people's heads, how many potatoe fields are there in Iraq? The gun in the picture was not one the troops are using in the Gulf and the truck is which the picture is taken inside is again not used in the Gulf. The photographs are in black and white to hide the colour of the skin of the people in the photo. Black and white film is actually not very easy to come across and only a few places actually develop black and white photos. Plus nowadays every profesional news photographer will use digital pictures of which all are colour.

 

The Mirror has not changed its description of the photographs. They said they where real photos of the things happening and now they are saying its an acurate representation of what is happening. Notice they have dropped saying they where genuine?

 

Personally I think the Mirror should be held accountable but to prove it in a court of law that people died as a direct link to those pictures is hard.

 

The terrorists will kill people for any reason and for no reason. This discusting beheading of a US worker would have happened whether or not these pictures came out or not. They would have just gave another reason for doing it. And lets not forget the killing of the Italian worker too who was filmed being exicuted and then sent to the media.

 

 

 

Stuart

 

Listen I know what you say is true. I also know that if some b@stard has been shooting at you and trying to kill you when you catch him he's going to get the crap kicked out of him. I just cannot explain how you feel, it's a high octain of fear, adrenalin, shock and releaf.

 

I think its perfectly natural and shouldn't be seen as anything else cause its not, it's just trauma.

 

That however is not where I'm going. I'm talking about cynical misrepresentation of circumstances to insight murder and hatred sell papers. Even thought it is against the interests of the papers host nation or it cytizens.

Mark have you seen the vid?

/rant mode on...

 

I don't think that the US or the UK did themselves any favours, but I think Piers Morgan should loose his job for not researching the information correctly, I think the same would also be true for whomever was responsible on the military side, they should have lost their job if the pictures turned out to be factual.

 

The terrorists are going to do whatever they please no matter what the 'justification' may be. I just love how the western press will jump up and down over something like this, what about all the other atrocities being committed around the Arab world? Do they raise a murmur about that? does it even make the back page? If the UK press reported the type of biased view Al-Jazeera did, then they'd be put out of business by the government due to public protest. FFS people, this is Great Britain, I support this country 100% this is where your loyalties should be, not with some 3rd world government who wouldn't let you practice whatever faith you wanted in 'their' country, you don't get killed in this country because of your faith FFS.

 

I think hatred of the West serves a purpose on may of these countries, it detracts the populous from realising that theirs is a system which doesn't work, it stops them overthrowing the government who is the real reason they are so impoverished. In my book the suicide bombers are as much a victim as the people they blow up, there brainwashed into it along with many of the terrorists while the people at the top keep their hands clean, the leaders should be hunted down.

 

Now where's SENNA to come on this thread and tell me I'm wrong?

 

/rant over

I think that what the Mirror did is disgraceful & they should be punished for it.

Our guys are already living in fear of losing their lives over in Iraq, imagine what they must have thought when they saw what the Mirror had been publishing!

It amazes me what people do for money, the :xxx: responsible for this should be fired forthwith and taken to Iraq for a holiday ;) :mac1: .

Mac I haven't seen the Vid, I carn't say I want to. I have had the misfortune to see a few people die in my life time and only my grandad did it well.

 

Herman I agree with most of what you say but, I really think Piers Morgan should be lashed to one at low tide and left to the crabs. I have stood in more deserving dog sh1t.

 

These cock and bull pics of our lads torturing Iraqis. I'm sure in the aftermath of fire fights this sort of thing went on but it isn't torture and should not be presented as such infact presented at all. If we get to the point that our armed forces have to think if I shoot someone I might go to prison then we will remove the effectiveness of those forces. When the soilders go in law and order has already gone thats why they are there. It can only be restored after the shooting stops

Piers Morgan should be sacked and sent to prison. No question. What he has done is utterly despicable! The tabloids always make me want to EXPLODE in rage at the cheap 'journalism' they purvey, and EXPLODE in tears when I see their sales figures and realise how many dumb arses there are in this country who buy this *****x! :mad: :mad: :confused:

 

The yank media are obviously just as bad.

 

The cases of abuse are terrible and disgusting, but not altogether unexpected. It's a WAR FFS, when soldiers are supposed to 'slip off the cloak of civility' in order to defeat the enemy on whatever battle field they are engaged. When you get people who's mates have been killed by the enemy, it's hardly surprising that some instances of this type occur. It's called HUMAN NATURE, and has been going on ever since we learned to pick up a stick and lamp some poor bleeder round the head with it!

 

These cases should be publicised IMHO, BUT ONLY AFTER THE CONFLICT IS OVER!!!! All the Mirror has done is put the lives of the soldiers(they sell papers to) out there in even more danger, muddied the waters for the negotiation of peace. Why? So Piers faking Morgan can get his own ugly mug on even more telly, and make more MONEY for his shit rag.

X-Biker

 

Here here

A lot of it is down to the people who buy the paper. At work we get virtually every major news paper in the UK and its laughable that papers like the Sun and Mirror are classified as newspapers.

 

You talk about people in the middle east being brain washed. People who read those news papers are usually people who dont think for themselves, believe everything that is written in there and dont question anything.

 

Stuart

Originally posted by X-Biker:

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The cases of abuse are terrible and disgusting, but not altogether unexpected. It's a WAR FFS, when soldiers are supposed to 'slip off the cloak of civility' in order to defeat the enemy on whatever battle field they are engaged. When you get people who's mates have been killed by the enemy, it's hardly surprising that some instances of this type occur. It's called HUMAN NATURE, and has been going on ever since we learned to pick up a stick and lamp some poor bleeder round the head with it!

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How very true. Right on the button.

 

Chris

X-Biker

 

Here here

Agreed

Its just more of the same old shit stirred up in the first place - another provocation for the arguement of why they went to war in the first place. There's a simple answer to all this, DON'T BUY THE PAPERS! Get enough support on this and all of them will be sacked and we'll all live in a much happier world...

 

I tend to watch the news rather than read the papers anyway - more pictures :D

 

Appologies if that made no sense :D

Just as well Senna isnt here anymore. He would be calling for all British people to be executed and their homes to be given to filthy murderous Iraqi's LOL :xxx:

Just as well Senna isnt here anymore. He would be calling for all British people to be executed and their homes to be given to filthy murderous Iraqi's LOL :xxx:

 

LOL and only listen to Al-Jazeera news as it is the only one that tells the truth :rofl: (could not resist);)

LOL so the Mirror want Tony Blair to produce conclusive evidence that the photos are fake?!?!?!?! Lets get this straight, the papers are now reversing the legal system and creating their own laws :mad: Innocent until proven guilty.... Its up to the MIRROR to prove that those photos are NOT fake!!!

unfortunately its war and make no mistake they would torture any of our troops caught (even before these pic were taken), but what i cant understand is the fookin americans. It looks like our pics are fake and the yanks ones are real, but my point is that i have no doubt that the iraqis are getting tortured by the allies , like i said its war and these things happen, but i cant believe the fookin americans stand their grinning and takin photos!!!! Everyone knows that any dodgy film or photo will end up on the web some how, but these dickheads are actually posing in the pics.. i honestly cant believe people can be so stupid.

This is not to say I condone the toruring by the way, i just feel that it would be going on regardless

whether the UK pics are fake is pretty much immaterial, the US ones aren't and they are fecking grim and the UK is guilty by association. It's terribly embarrasing and really doesn't matter if the pics are proven to be fake.

I don't beleive for a minute that the British haven't abused prisoners.

Right I'll do me Uncle Albert impression...

 

During the war...well after Desert Storm and Strike after the yanks had been stupid enough to have all their photos developed in places like Bahrain, Dubai and most of the UAE the bloody rag heads were actually displaying the awful pics that the American soldiers had taken in the windows of their shops...for sale as full sets!!! FFS

 

One of our younger guys in our mess was buying them every time we got shore leave in Dubai. IIRC a set of photos was about 15 squids in dirhams, some had dead Iraqui soldiers being propped up on both sides by yanks posing and they had stuck a ciggy in his gob. So nooooo, it doesn't surprise me that they are that fookin' stupid!

 

In fact that's probably where alot of these photos are coming from, the UAE itself! :(

whether the UK pics are fake is pretty much immaterial, the US ones aren't and they are fecking grim and the UK is guilty by association. It's terribly embarrasing and really doesn't matter if the pics are proven to be fake.

I don't beleive for a minute that the British haven't abused prisoners.

 

Yeah, I think we're pretty much in agreement that the allied troops have abused prisoners. I would be amazed if there were no cases of abuse in any conflict that has ever happened. It's about time we accepted that, as human beings we are not at the stage where everyone loves each other, and where no one is interested in power or material gain. That's true of 99% of the population in the West let alone the rest of the world which has FAR different views on what is good/bad/right/wrong.

 

The real question is, should the Mirror have published the pictures in the first place? (or the American press come to that!) Yes, it's happened. Yes it's awful. No, it shouldn't happen. But these instances MUST be seen in the light of the 'bigger picture'.

 

I wonder if the 'Oh so Patriotic' UK Press (according to one of the guests on Question Time last week, The Sun published these - or similar - pictures 3 months ago but they were ignored?) - ever asked themselves the question "How will this news affect safety of the allied troops and civilians out there now?"

 

I guess they might have asked the question, but I bet the answer was along the lines of...."Who gives a shit? We'll get lots of publicity for this and make shed loads more MONEY"

Did any one see that programme about people in war and whether the presenter would acutally be a good soilder?

It was rather interesting as they said that 2% of people in the army actualy do 98% of the killing. Its human nature not to kill. One of the reasons why people are shot in the back when executed is so the shooter wont see the persons face. Its for the killers benifit.

This programme also went on to say that 4 months of none stop combat 98% of people will be mad. The remaining 2% of people if tested would be legally deemed to be psycotic.

So basically the programme said, if war does not make you mad, you are already mad. This doesnt mean that you are going to kill people at home infact testomonies from people in the Falklands war told of soliders who had no fear and had no emotion towards the enemy and infact enjoyed killing them. But once at home the would be discribed as a nice person.

This programme also went on to say that 4 months of none stop combat 98% of people will be mad. The remaining 2% of people if tested would be legally deemed to be psycotic.

 

sorry mate, gonna have to disagree on that, i find that very hard to swallow.

This programme also went on to say that 4 months of none stop combat 98% of people will be mad. The remaining 2% of people if tested would be legally deemed to be psycotic.

 

sorry mate, gonna have to disagree on that, i find that very hard to swallow.

 

 

Dont argue with the BBC!!!!! They are never wrong. Its not the Mirror who said that ;)

yes i do think the papers have a right to publish news no matter how unsettling it may be. most of the stories seem to be used to quash an item of news that certain people may wish to be overshadowed . I feel more sorry for the 8 year girl that was shot in the back by british troops rather than some american, for all i know he may well have been a merc.We really should not be in this war it is not our business, but at least oil production is up. is this the point of this war ?

as to a picture putting our troops in danger a doubt it , rather our foriegn policy and its actions do.

The main issue is not whether news papers should report what is happening, but infact should the news paper print false pictures? The photos are not of an Iraqi being tortured but more a greedy British people staging photos for financial gain.