Mark Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Well well, what a surprise, my current run of bad luck is continuing with the nissan.... Those of you that know me, know that I havent had any luck with it since day 1 and its cost me 000's so far. Well, Option have fitted the new turbos but they now smoke like a bast*rd, both of them!!!!! They are having the car on tuesday to inspect whts gone wrong!!!!!!! Now, the turbos must have been faulty as the car has been running at 0.6psi as I wanted to run the car in, so I havent over stressed them, I've only done 600miles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Problem is, whos gonna pay for them to be changed??? I dont have another £1500!!!!! F*CK!!!!! Sorry, I am just in a really bad mood..........:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Quote
vijay Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Hello Mark, Really sorry to hear that you've got more problems. Who supplied the turbos? Vijay Quote
Mark Posted June 1, 2003 Author Posted June 1, 2003 Hi Vijay, Smithy @ cybercraft supplied them but I dont know where he got them from??? I am just worried mate as in total, the last bill was almost £4000 and I cannot, absolutely cannot afford to have them replaced again...... option reckon they have seen this many time, its sad, very sad and shouldnt happen but I have left smithy a txt message to call me so we can sort this out. I am not blaming him but if the firm that supplied them are not prepared to pay up to have them refitted, then I might have to seek court action as I dont have any other option!??????? Has anyone else had any experiences like this???:( Quote
SRRAE Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 I think the only thing is to try legal action. Get advice from your local citizens advice centre about you situation and ask if you have a chance to make them pay. Stuart Quote
vijay Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Mark, What I would say is Smithy is a decent bloke so I'm sure he wouldn't just wash his hands with this. Did you get the hybrid turbos? My mechanic just finished fitting them on another forum members car, they looked like a nice bit of kit. I can understand how frustrated you must feel but just try and be patient and see what Option says, then go from there. Keep us updated and try not to get too wound up;) Can I ask what you had done for 4 grand? Vijay Quote
Guest tanzx Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Hi Mark, Sorry to hear of the bad luck run. I presume that the Turbos were new. Then surely it's down to the fitters. Hope you get it sorted. Geoff. Quote
SRRAE Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Originally posted by tanzx Hi Mark, Sorry to hear of the bad luck run. I presume that the Turbos were new. Then surely it's down to the fitters. Hope you get it sorted. Geoff. If they say that, they will say its a faulty product and you will each will blame the other. If you got the turbos from the garage too, it will be down to the garage to sort the problem and then try to charge the turbo makers. Did you pay with a credit card? If so you can claim it back on the insurance. Stuart Quote
Mark Posted June 1, 2003 Author Posted June 1, 2003 Vijay: Yeah smithy does seem like a decent bloke and he has a good reputation so I hope we can sort this problem out with Option involved, just waiting to hear from him......I am just gutted mate as I just got back into the groove of driving the 300zx and now its off the road again as it now smokes all the time!! Heartbroken mate.........totally......:( :( :( :( Ah well, back in the XR2 tomorrow..... :o Tankz: The turbo were uprated recon items, cant remember the exact spec but smithy best described them half way between stage 1 and 2........ SRRAE: yeah, legal action is a last ditch effort mate, really cant be arsed with all that but Option will charge me another £1500 to refit and I havent got it mate!!! Not right now......:( Went to see Option today and spoke to the guy who fitted the turbos, he wasnt too pleased as he has seen this too many times before.......I've gotta drop the car off tue morning to them and their dropping the downpipes Quote
51x Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 This happened to me after SE replaced both my /very/ busted turbos... the new hybrids started smoking and I thought they were fragged too. But Pete said it was something to do with crank-case ventillation, made a mod of some sort (moving pipes?) and it all stopped. It might be worth giving them a call - the turbos might be fine. Quote
Mark Posted June 1, 2003 Author Posted June 1, 2003 51x: If that is what it is I will never complain about my 300zx again......I promise!!!!! I should be so lucky though hey????? Guess it'd be worth finding out though! Option will have the car tuesday and the guy who works on mine has my every confidence, so I am sure they'll figure out what the issue is. Quote
51x Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Maybe, yeah. I don't wanna fill you full of false hope, but that's what happened with me. I feel for you tho... I remember the pain of driving round in a smoking Z - horribly embarassing! Quote
SRRAE Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 I feel for you too mate. I cant imagine how it feels and I have virtually no problems at all and I hate seeing some one like you go through this. It is not a fair reflection of the car and you go through hell. Stuart Quote
Gio Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Mark, as Stuart said, did you pay for any of this by credit card? If you did, the credit card (not, sadly, debit or charge) people are jointly liable... Quote
SRRAE Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Originally posted by Gio Mark, as Stuart said, did you pay for any of this by credit card? If you did, the credit card (not, sadly, debit or charge) people are jointly liable... True as when you pay for anything on the creditcard, the company actually buys it and then you pay it back. That is how it legally works. So you can refuse to pay for any damages goods or poor service. Stuart. Quote
Mark Posted June 1, 2003 Author Posted June 1, 2003 :) Right guys, I have spoken to Smithy and as suspected he has come up with good news.... I paid smithy cash straight into his bank as this was the quickest way.......so no credit card business I am afraid, but, smithy advises that if the oil seals have gone inside the turbos (both of them have gone and I should have more chance of winning the lottery than thi shappening), if it is the seals then he says the turbo firm will have to pay up for the replacement costs (((((MUSIC TO MY EARS))))))) But, he also thinks, and is 100% sure that the seals havent gone as these turbos have some special type of seals which are bulletproof, so what the heck is it?!?!?! Hopefully, something that isnt going to cost me too much more money....... I will let you all know what it is!!!!!!!! Could be the seals, we'll see!!!!! Gotta drive the XR2 tomorrow though:( gonna get laughed at!!!!!:p Anyway, I am in a much better mood and thanks for all your compassion guys, big respect to y'all!!!!!!!;) PS. Missus thinks I should sell up?? Is she right??? I love the 300 though!!!!!:confused: Quote
Guest NigelBoyd Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 mmm, try selling a 300 with serious smoking turbos and we'll have a new member on here in a week or two asking the same questions! Seriously, though, this is everyone's worst nightmare, spending money and still not having a right car. Good luck! Quote
Gio Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 Just to clarify on the credit card thing, it's under the Consumer Credit act. Trading Standards know chapter and verse as you'd expect. The point is that this also applies to work you have done as well as goods you buy. EG if your garage / bodyshop / whatever does work which is so low standard as to be a breach of contract and you have paid for this with a credit card, then you can sue them as well as the bad work company. Credit Card companies tend not to want to be bothered with this sh*t so they shout at the bad work company to get it right - which is what you wanted in the first place! Good luck - Gio Quote
SMW1 Posted June 1, 2003 Posted June 1, 2003 erm probably stating the obvious here, but have you checked or changed the PCV valves and hoses ;) Quote
Guest andyduff Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 Originally posted by smw1 erm probably stating the obvious here, but have you checked or changed the PCV valves and hoses ;) My thoughts exactly ;) Quote
Mark Posted June 2, 2003 Author Posted June 2, 2003 What are PCV valves guys, and how do I find AND check them??? Heard about them, but never needed to know......:confused: Quote
AndyP Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 They live here :- http://www.courtesyparts.com/z32/oe_pcv.html Quote
emero Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 Originally posted by 300ZX_Newbie :) PS. Missus thinks I should sell up?? Is she right??? I love the 300 though!!!!!:confused: Don't you dare!!!!:eek: i've also had ahell of a lot hassle with my zed, you are not calm or detached enough to make a decision at the moment... Quote
WillieO Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 If the PCV valves were a problem would that mean pressure build up in the crank case and if so wouldnt taking off the oil filler cap release that pressure - as a check anyway at tickover to see if there is pressure there? I can understand that if you have high crankcase pressure then the oil return to the sump from each turbocharger could get forced back up to the turbo bearing and seal and I guess past the seals but I would not have thought that crank case pressure would be anything like high enough. Even God forbid, with broken piston rings. I have seen some of the PCV group buy debate and problems and confess I dont quite understand it. One thing that would worry me with new turbos is how you ensure that the turbo bearings have oil in them at start up. 0- umpteen thousand rpm in less than a second Quote
Guest andyduff Posted June 2, 2003 Posted June 2, 2003 Originally posted by WillieO One thing that would worry me with new turbos is how you ensure that the turbo bearings have oil in them at start up. 0- umpteen thousand rpm in less than a second Which is why you prime the oil feeds and turbos with oil before you fit them ;) Also, once the engine is back in the car, the plugs are left out, and the engine is cranked until oil pressure registers ;) CheerZ, Andy Quote
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