I am definetely buyng it.

 

Its around 2250 Australian dollars. And it includes piping as well.

Originally posted by Timmy_Turbo

So why did Nelson fit twin IC's as stock then?

 

Wazza, why did you fit your very own designed and thoroughly tested pukka units and run a group buy only to find that you were not happy and now you are going to move to a FMIC??? Baffled!!! :D

 

Are you saying that yours were arse?

 

Not having a dig as I really cannot be arsed but this does seem strange.

 

If like me you have an aftermarket autobox cooler then an oil cooler then the rad to get to I wouldn't fit a FMIC unless I was Ronald McDonald or really, really Harry Potter as sometimes I believe I am! LMFAO :D

LOL i designed my own units for everyone out there, because my opinion was that 600-900 pounds for two intercoolers was far to expensive for my liking. I did it to prove it could be done and im sure anyone who has my units would agree with me that i was right.

Regarding front mounts, i want to develop them as another product A: they look awesome B: you get a better surface area for cooling C: i plan on running around 25psi when all is run in and working properly, and side mount units will start heat soaking after a few runs.

D: well i guess all the Japaneese performace companies in OPTIONS book cant all be wrong with running a big front mount, for the net power results they show.

Personal preference for everyone really?

 

Oh and most importantly i have been asked by a few companies if i would develop one.

FFS what has this thread degenerated into??? Guess thats why I tend to not hang around here anymore :(

 

In terms of air flow to the rad - what about the air con condensor that sits AGAINST IT and IN FRONT OF IT??? That has far greater restrictions than any IC. The temperature is controlled by the THERMOSTAT which opens and closes to allow more or less water to flow to the rad to keep the engine at the desired temperature. I seriously doubt under any conditions and any driving style that someone in the UK could get the stat fully open 100% of the time - this is when the rad is beyond its capacity.

 

Another point is this - why the FVCK do they route the piping from the stock locations ffs :( The pipes come down directly behind those inlets and with a small amount of fabrication, you could remove about 1m of the total tract length... I don't think this has been designed too well tbh looking at the bends in the pipework - RESTRICTIONS!!!!

 

Ah well each to their own....

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

ROFLMFFFFAAAAOOOOO :D

 

Chill FFS Andy, I asked some questions and I got some answers! LMFFFFAAAAOOOOO :D

:D:D:D who said I was wound up??? Its new year so BEER time :D

 

Anyone noticed another serious problem with the pipework??? Answers on a postcard please :D

Originally posted by andyduff

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Anyone noticed another serious problem with the pipework??? Answers on a postcard please :D [/b]

 

 

Yeah, why do people install shiny stainless steel pipes when matt black finish ones would dissipate the heat more effectively. Won't make much difference of course, but evey little helps.

Good point but also check which bank is being fed by which turbo ;) The black thing is actually quite a difficult one - you could argue black pipework absorbs the radiated heat from the engine and therefore gives higher charge temps ;)

Originally posted by andyduff

Good point but also check which bank is being fed by which turbo ;) The black thing is actually quite a difficult one - you could argue black pipework absorbs the radiated heat from the engine and therefore gives higher charge temps ;)

 

 

I never considered the 'crossflow' design a problem. I presume it just makes the engine a more compact unit.

 

I also asked many people about why intercoolers were left in shiny ally rather than painted black and the only sensible answer I got was from PeteR. He maintained that in the work they had done at Ford the black coatings made little or no diifference and in fact it was so close that they felt that the extra coating of black paint was acting as a sort of insulator and negating the minimal benefit. (Plus people like buying shiny parts for their cars:D)

Yep some valid points there Andy. In order for max heat disipation and transfer you MUST use the correct paint. Anodising them would probably be best...

 

The cross flow wouldn't be much of a problem on a well balanced and set up car but I would not run it on mine. Asking for problems. Say the left turbo seizes, the left exhaust will have restriciotn, but will have the air from the right turbo feeding the intake. The right bank will have the seized turbo feeding it with nothing but atmosphere and yet having to drive the left bank turbo. I think I just confused myself :D

Originally posted by andyduff

Yep some valid points there Andy. In order for max heat disipation and transfer you MUST use the correct paint. Anodising them would probably be best...

 

The cross flow wouldn't be much of a problem on a well balanced and set up car but I would not run it on mine. Asking for problems. Say the left turbo seizes, the left exhaust will have restriciotn, but will have the air from the right turbo feeding the intake. The right bank will have the seized turbo feeding it with nothing but atmosphere and yet having to drive the left bank turbo. I think I just confused myself :D

Well its actually two seperate cores on top of each other? so its no different to two side mounted units?

so i guees that throws all the theorys out the windows lol

Happy New Year by the way! ROFL :D

 

That's a "Happy New Year" without shiny or black matt finish, but with double whipped cream and strawberries even though they are out of season instead. :D

 

Robbie is on at the mo! Singing "She's the one"...all together now! :D

LOL - Warren, if you check the picture it IS 2 seperate intercoolers BUT the left turbo feeds the right bank and vise versa - the IC has its split horizontally so the air enters one side and exits the other...

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

 

Timmy, do you reckon anyone behind Robbie will spontaneously combust due to excesive heat build up caused by reduced airflow??? :D:D:D:D

Originally posted by andyduff

LOL - Warren, if you check the picture it IS 2 seperate intercoolers BUT the left turbo feeds the right bank and vise versa - the IC has its split horizontally so the air enters one side and exits the other...

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

 

Timmy, do you reckon anyone behind Robbie will spontaneously combust due to excesive heat build up caused by reduced airflow??? :D:D:D:D

yes but howd does that make it any different from running two side mounts? they are still seperate units one intercooler for one turbo?

so how would one turbo affect the other if one goes bang? as they are on seperate air flows like side mounts?

Andy,

 

I will implode in a mo looking at the totty Robbie has singin' with him! :D ;)

 

Don't know why anyone fits bigger IC's anyway, just fit a water spray like they have on Scoobie up yer Doos instead. Cheaper and more effective, not affective as Warren would have put it! LMFAO :D

The restriction on the left bank is caused by the exhaust passing through the left turbo. This turbo feeds the RIGHT bank. In the case of failure, you would have high pressure on the inlet of one bank, with an increased restriction on its exhaust. The other bank would have restricion on its intake, but the turbo would not be as restrictive so a more free flowing exhaust.

 

Hey, I know what I mean :D:D:D

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

Originally posted by andyduff

FFS what has this thread degenerated into??? Guess thats why I tend to not hang around here anymore :(

 

 

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

 

LMFFFFAO:D Oh hear we go Dufflecoat!

 

It called an OPINION we all have them so who cares FFS!

 

IMHO I have the best intercoolers for my Z,they will take over 30psi of boost.

Originally posted by andyduff

The restriction on the left bank is caused by the exhaust passing through the left turbo. This turbo feeds the RIGHT bank. In the case of failure, you would have high pressure on the inlet of one bank, with an increased restriction on its exhaust. The other bank would have restricion on its intake, but the turbo would not be as restrictive so a more free flowing exhaust.

 

Hey, I know what I mean :D:D:D

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

 

Andy, isnt this the system that the Z has as standard already ?

 

The intakes feed the opposing bank, so the air system is already cross flow.

 

This front mount design would actually make the system separate left and right.

 

Therefore, the problems you describe should happen on a standard Z, but what may look a problem may also be a bonus....

 

With crossflow, if one side seizes, then the whole engine performance suffers, so you would notice a lot quicker

 

If you have separate left and right, then if one side seizes, the other side would still be running fine, so you would not notice the reduction in power as quickly, and more strain on the crank would probably result.

 

happy new year btw :D

And then to be running around with damaged turbos is like commiting suicide (turbo failure can result in some expensive engine work) If your compressor blade destroys itself and all the tiny fragments enter your cylinder heads :eek:

well I know what duffman means ;) but as waz points out you shouldnt drive your motor with shagged tubs anyway so its a little acedemic really anyway. :)

Originally posted by Paul C

but as waz points out you shouldnt drive your motor with shagged tubs anyway

 

And let's face it, he knows :D

hi,

 

i have a centre mount - just a little smaller than the one pictured.

i also made all the pipe runs shorter - ie in and out instead of round the bottom and up. upgraded all the pipe to 60m od - also made to 60m pipes up one each side with a cone filter on each and located the filters where the standard intercoolers fit.

i used to get det at only .8 bar boost - now running 1.2 upwards with no problems.

 

i have to say it works gr8 - loads better than the standards - even though mine were a bit shot.

 

si

Are you running the standard turbo's or have these been changed ?.

Originally posted by zx si

hi,

 

i have a centre mount - just a little smaller than the one pictured.

i also made all the pipe runs shorter - ie in and out instead of round the bottom and up. upgraded all the pipe to 60m od - also made to 60m pipes up one each side with a cone filter on each and located the filters where the standard intercoolers fit.

i used to get det at only .8 bar boost - now running 1.2 upwards with no problems.

 

i have to say it works gr8 - loads better than the standards - even though mine were a bit shot.

 

si

Got any pictures of it?

Would be nice to see?

smw1 - standard turbos at the moment

 

300z - no pics at present i knew i should of done something when i put that bumper back on :(

 

will try and sort some out

 

cheers

 

si

hey si - u sps si from ultimate reef BB ?

yes paul :)