Time to put these low life's of terror in there place :angry: RIP to all the good people killed today.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

Well they said they would flood Europe with these filthy animals,and thanks to Merkel they are now all over Europe

ISIS - the Coward and paedophiles club.

When will the world start taking this more seriously.

How long now til London suffers a similar attack? Or another major UK city?

 

The world is a horrendous place these days... :(

When will the world start taking this more seriously.

 

How can they take take it more seriously without curtailing liberties or nuking the areas where Isis and Al Keada are ?

 

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How can they take take it more seriously without curtailing liberties or nuking the areas where Isis and Al Keada are ?

 

 

How can you say the world are not taking them seriously? Its nigh on impossible to immobilise this threat as in this case we are fighting against a small amount religious radicals and not a race as before. It was more clear when it was race vs race.

 

I know more details of the attackers have not been realised as yet but I can almost be certain that most of the people responsible for these attacks will be French born.

 

'Nuking' areas is not the answer. The Western world needs to withdraw from these countries and let them carry on in my opinion. Maybe then we will see far less of these attacks.

 

What isn't helpful is the keyboard warriors and low intelligence cavemen of groups such as Britain First and the EDL spouting their utter garbage every day on social media. Do they really think ISIS member don't read their crap and get even more motivation from it?

 

I guess they didn't learn that though at their 'University of Life'.

Sitting on the fence, waiting for other countries to deploy, refusing group troops and respecting some invisible boarder out of Syria isn't taking it seriously. Taking it seriously is a strategic attack, proper support in the regions and burying the hatchet on temporary problems to move towards a more permenant stability in the area. That whole corner of the world is a rats nest that needs proper long term stability.

The whole nuke the *******s line just isn't applicable. There's nobody to nuke. It's not a country it's a mindset, groups of nutters in amongst everyday people. No sane person would murder millions of innocents to kill a handful of nutters. Far more effective to strategically remove them and win over the locals to realise we are not the baddies.

A very hard battle to be won and one that is almost impossible to completely irradiate. Throughout our own British history, extremists using religion as there foundation have terrorised society and civilians, as they present ‘soft easy targets’ and the effect on the public opinion is always outrage; of course this is why the cowards do it.

 

For 15 years I and others on this forum have been back and forward to Middle East in the name of our British beliefs to try and win the hearts and minds of the local people and stamp out terrorism and support the local tribes to stand their ground. The Forces have lost many lives during the Afghan and Iraq conflicts and the atrocities in France should serve as a reminder that the coalition forces did win the war but did not win the fight. Please don’t forget those Soldiers, Sailors and Airman that are of Muslim belief that fight for the British values within our Armed Forces.

 

As said and unfortunately, this is not an Army or we would already be on the ground and at war….trust me! This is however civilians acting in their minds as soldiers of religion. If we were (and possibly will) to put soldiers on the ground and more ac in the air we would only be suppressing these animals not irradiating them, they would ditch their black flags and uniforms and become civilians very quickly, melting away in the background to fight another day.

 

Do not however underestimate our British Counter Terrorism branch as they are intercepting way more potential targets than ever reaches the papers or news. It’s interesting to read in the paper this morning that many people want the Forces to act at a time that many people want the Forces to make yet more cuts.

 

RIP victims of any terrorism, thoughts are with you, family and friends.

the problem stems from the the muslim community and there ideas, its down to them to sort there community out, why dont we see more people in muslim community standing up ans saying this is just plain wrong you mite get a handful doing this but on the whole they just dont, so there all to blame aswell

 

This, for me, is the start of a side-issue. The facts of this whole ISIS matter are that people all over the world are killing in the name of Allah, which makes (in incredibly broad strokes) the religion of Islam the problem for a vast number of people worldwide.

 

Dan is correct where he's said that, by and large, comparatively few Muslims are standing up denouncing this barbarism which leads to the question "Secretly, do all Muslims think the same way...?"

 

There will be people out there who believe that the answer to that question is "yes" and that's going to cause a problem. Especially when a UK city is attacked.

 

Paris is close enough to home that people in the UK are starting to properly worry. What happens when London is attacked? I'll tell you what'll happen: mosques will be attacked in "retaliation"... Muslim people will be attacked in the streets... and why? Because, as has already been said, there is no way to outwardly tell who has been radicalised and who hasn't. So the mob mentality will take over and any Muslim will become fair game.

 

Groups such as the EDL are taking this opportunity to shout that we should've closed the UK's borders to keep ourselves safe from a similar situation as Paris has just suffered. In some respects, they have a point because ISIS themselves have openly stated that their people are hiding in plain sight amongst refugees and immigrants - I imagine a lot of people dismissed this as being propaganda and scare-mongering but, if the reports out of Paris are true and Syrian passports have been found where the suicide bombers were, then it's almost concrete proof that ISIS were telling the truth and that means that nobody knows who can be trusted.

 

This whole situation is on the verge of becoming a global version of the Vietnam War; you have "super-powers" who are effectively useless because the enemy faction are scurrying around beneath their collective radars until they pop up, initiate a massacre, and then disappear again. There's no real way to fight that, except at true ground level.

 

And that ground level combat is what will happen in the near future in this country. As soon as a major UK city is the scene of anything like Paris' recent trauma, people will start to take up arms against the people that they perceive as being "the enemy": Muslims. They won't ask questions - they'll simply go in for the kill.

 

Could any of this be avoided? Possibly, if the Muslim community would stand up and denounce and wholeheartedly condemn the actions of ISIS. By and large though, they don't. Or, if they do, it doesn't get a great deal of press coverage.

 

The UK is seen as an easy target - far easier than the USA or Russia, for example. In America, everyone over the age of 3 appears to carry a gun, which means that Johnny Suicide Bomber has only to reveal his explosive vest in a public place and he's likely to be shot before he can detonate it. Here though, we're so soft as a country that we will actively allow (and therefore be seen to condone) ludicrous things such as radical Muslim groups burning symbolic poppies during Rememberance services while they spout about how they despise the West and how all our soldiers should be executed.

 

And what happens to these lovely people who do such things? Are they treated as hate crimes and punished under the full extent of the law? No. They get a bit of a chat from the police and sent on their way because it would be "racist" to actually punish them. As far as I'm aware though, Islam is a religion and not a race, so how can the racism card be played in a situation like that...?

 

Should a white, UK-born person do something in a similar vein though - say, burning a copy of the Koran - then they're immediately arrested for hate crimes and racism and get the book thrown at them. This is why all these radical Islamic groups, both here and abroad, are wetting themselves laughing at us as a country. And that is why groups such as the EDL continue to issue these "calls to arms."

 

The only logical outcome from all of this is going to be revolution. The politicians and governments appear to be doing very little to "keep their people safe" and so it'll fall to "the people" to do it for themselves, and that's going to result in a lot of needless deaths for innocent people.

 

The world today is a genuinely scary place to live.... :(

It's a really complex problem that's only going to get worse. Anyone who thinks there's a simple solution or a quick fix really has no idea what's going on. Unfortunately the majority of Americans fall into this category and they are very vocal. World powers need to stop squabbling though, stop penny pinching and sort out a proper solution. This is not a religious problem it's a people problem.

Thread cleaned as it had gone way off topic.

 

This thread was started to allow people to express their feelings after this awful attack. It is not to be used as a sounding board for rants. This is a car forum not a political soapbox. If you want to have a rant like that, I suggest you log out and go down the pub with some mates and do it there.

 

Anymore posts like the ones I have deleted will be removed without warning and further action may be taken on the poster.

 

Steams

(Head Moderator)

Two minutes silence today at 1100hrs. Please respect.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paris-attacks-britain-hold-two-6838129

Two minutes silence today at 1100hrs. Please respect.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paris-attacks-britain-hold-two-6838129

 

Sure put the forum in maintenance mode for it.

Sure put the forum in maintenance mode for it.

 

It will be up to each member to decide Jay. Its your call guys.

I am totally appalled by the Paris attack and totally and unequivocally condemn the barbarism. My heartfelt sympathies and deepest commiserations are with the families of those murdered in cold blood.

 

However, I would like to add as a Muslim the ISIS do not any anyway represent the Islam faith or its ideals, they are an affront to my faith, just like Hitler/Nazi are to Christendom, or any far right organisation can be seen representing the open and tolerant values of British society.

 

I know this is not a forum for this; however I felt compelled to respond after reading Mondo thoughts. Also noteworthy is the bulk of victims of the ISIS/Al Qaida and the likes are the Muslims themselves.

 

Mondo it is not true only few Muslims are condemning this, all are!!! I do take exception to your comment take this a reply to your unfair comment that “Secretly, do all Muslim think the same way…?”

I am totally appalled by the Paris attack and totally and unequivocally condemn the barbarism. My heartfelt sympathies and deepest commiserations are with the families of those murdered in cold blood.

 

However, I would like to add as a Muslim the ISIS do not any anyway represent the Islam faith or its ideals, they are an affront to my faith, just like Hitler/Nazi are to Christendom, or any far right organisation can be seen representing the open and tolerant values of British society.

 

I know this is not a forum for this; however I felt compelled to respond after reading Mondo thoughts. Also noteworthy is the bulk of victims of the ISIS/Al Qaida and the likes are the Muslims themselves.

 

Mondo it is not true only few Muslims are condemning this, all are!!! I do take exception to your comment take this a reply to your unfair comment that “Secretly, do all Muslim think the same way…?”

 

Good to hear from one of our Muslim Members and agree this is not a fault of the Muslim faith or community and ISIS/Al Qaida do not represent the Islamic true faith. There are extremist who will exploit every religion for there own ends.

 

Mondo it is not true only few Muslims are condemning this, all are!!! I do take exception to your comment take this a reply to your unfair comment that “Secretly, do all Muslim think the same way…?”

 

If you care to read back, you'll see (and I quote here) that I wrote "Dan is correct where he's said that, by and large, comparatively few Muslims are standing up denouncing this barbarism which leads to the question "Secretly, do all Muslims think the same way...?" I accept that I could have phrased that last part better so it didn't come across as being my viewpoint so, for that alone, I apologise.

 

I follow the news very closely nowadays and I see very little coverage of either UK or worldwide Muslim leaders standing up and doing what you yourself have just done. At no point did I say that none at all do it, nor did I say that I think that all Muslims think the same way that ISIS do!

 

My entire post was generalising from the viewpoint of "the common man" as we see more and more posts on Facebook and the like from people demanding that the UK shut up shop now and also saying that all Muslims are to blame for this. This is not my point of view at all, because I'm a very intelligent individual and not one prone to knee-jerk reaction.

 

You are, of course, completely wrong with your comment that "all Muslims are condemning this" because they're just not. Surely radicalised Muslims are still Muslims, and they're not condemning this at all! So I'm going to assume that what you meant to say was that "all true and clear-thinking Muslims are condemning this"

 

So there we have it. Hopefully I've provided some context for you, Tazino? And hopefully you'll not be taking any more exception from my post :thumbup1:

I totally understand that this is not really the forum for this discussion, but I do fell compelled to write a little on here.

I think Mondo may have been misunderstood in his comments.

I , like every normal human being am appalled by the events in Paris.

This is true terrorism, to make you feel unsafe in your daily life is horrible thing.

Throughout history people of a certain disposition become drawn to these "death cults". This is not about Religion, instead it hides behind Religion.

Involving religion just muddies the waters, breeds fear and distrust amongst a population ultimately destabilising it.

Imagine knowing a psychopath lived on your street, but not knowing which neighbour it was, now try and live your life as you did before.

I would imagine that most people, like me, have read a great deal over the last few days. I try to read as much as possible in order to have a balanced opinion.

Two things I have read have really stuck in my mind over the last few days.

"There are well over a Billion Muslims in the world, if the Muslim faith wanted every non Muslim dead - we would be dead!"

"Throughout history the silent majority have been irrelevant"

The example quoted on the second comment was that prior to and during the second world war most German citizens were decent human beings, and yet Nazi Germany very nearly succeeded in a program of Genocide.

We cannot be the silent majority, we have to speak out and denounce.

Show your support for fellow human beings at every opportunity. Don't be afraid to ask questions about things you don't understand.

I am not saying pick fights, I am simply saying that we should stand up at every possible chance we have to say it is wrong, but more importantly we should never forget about these things.

How quickly things fade from our memory like the Charlie Hebdo attacks and they shouldn't.

Remember as well that all the major religions preach 1 God 1 Prophet and 3 of them started within a few hundred miles of each other. Is it not possible we all believe the same thing with translations diluted by time and distance.

Religion is not the issue here, solidarity amongst normal people is and that is what we have to strive for.

Heavy subject I know and I apologise if I upset anyone as that is not my intention, but I felt I had to say something.

R.I.P the people killed in Paris, hope the Hackers have luck in exposing the people who plan theses attaches.

 

 

French hackers from the activist group Anonymous have declared "war" on Islamic State after the Paris attacks.

Time to put these low life's of terror in there place :angry: RIP to all the good people killed today.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203

 

A sad and unspeakable atrocity indeed; my thoughts are with those in France at this time.

 

The whole nuke the *******s line just isn't applicable. There's nobody to nuke. It's not a country it's a mindset, groups of nutters in amongst everyday people. No sane person would murder millions of innocents to kill a handful of nutters. Far more effective to strategically remove them and win over the locals to realise we are not the baddies.

 

And you are also dead right Steve.

 

I would also like to (publically) thank Steams for his sterling job in moderating this thread. A few of us were missing over the weekend, otherwise occupied promoting the club at the NEC Classic Car Show, but we will not tolerate bigoted, outdated, racist views being spouted on our forums. Good work sir - and expertly handled.

 

Richard

Can of worms right here but is "racism" the right term to use...? Islam is a religion, not a race. There are plenty of converts to Islam who are white Europeans so, in the event of any kind of confrontation, could someone honestly be classed as "racist" if the object of that confrontation is of the same ethnic classification as them...?

 

It's just an issue that's puzzled me for a long time, that's all.

Valid point indeed Si - and your assertions are correct. However having the benefit of being able to read the deleted posts, I do recall the odd mention of the word "immigrants" which might also bring race into consideration.

 

As tenuous as my use of the word "racist" might be, and whether I had chosen "xenophobic" or whatever, my point was that Steams was still upholding the club's AUP - which was the intended purpose of my comment:wink:

Can of worms right here but is "racism" the right term to use...? Islam is a religion, not a race. There are plenty of converts to Islam who are white Europeans so, in the event of any kind of confrontation, could someone honestly be classed as "racist" if the object of that confrontation is of the same ethnic classification as them...?

 

It's just an issue that's puzzled me for a long time, that's all.

 

Racism is to prejudice against someone based upon there racial background, so in essence you could be guilty of rasism for prejudices against your own people. Context I feel is paramount and it's the intent that counts. If you mean to cause offence based on racial grounds is very different to making fun. Humour CAN transcend these things, can. You can also be positively prejudice as well, treating some people better because they have an issue or are a way. Realistically though, there is only one human race, our various geographical variants are simply varieties of the same animal, so racism is a human construct that exists only in our minds as a tool of prejudice. Our obsession with each others differences is ancient and part of our animal fabric but it's tribal behaviour that's lost its use really.