I love my n/a 2 seater z, with its big stainles exhaust note and incredible handling and road holding, but would i prefer a tt, does the handling suffer is it much worse on fuel and if nothing other than a modded subaru has ever kept up with me ???, in real terms how much quicker can a car be?? has any one ran both a tt and a na, i am tempted but scared as mine is mint but wonder what a tt would be like and it wont go away HELP

The simple answer to this is have a ride in a TT if you can. I cant see any reason why the TT handling would suffer because its a TT. If anything I would think that Nissan put better suspention on the TT. 2 seaters are said to handle better at slower speeds and 2+2 seaters are said to be better at higher speeds.

I dont know the specs of a NA too well but I think the 0-60 is about 6.5-7 seconds isnt it? TT range from 5.2 to 5.6. On average over a second faster.

 

I dont know about MPG too to be truthful. I think Nissan said in the stats that I have read somewhere that the MPG difference is only 1 or 2 more. However when I asked someone on here a few years ago I was laughed at, which makes me think that the NA does more than 1 or 2 mpg more than the TT.

 

I think that you will be surprised at the difference in power and speed. I have heard many a tale on the Twinturbo.net site of people having a NA and when they finally get a go in a TT selling up and buying a TT because they where so surprised at the difference.

 

Stuart

Yup its a massive difference, and i suspect once youve driven the latter, you wont want to go back. They have better brakes (if you could call these brakes better lol) harder settings as far as im aware.

 

MPG will suffer defo.

And alot more expense involved.

Where are you from Gavo ?. I'm sure one of the members on this Forum may live local to you and wouldn't mind taking you out for a spin in their TT. We are a friendly bunch on here :D

TT's 2+2 handle wicked, I don't know why people say otherwise, I can go round roundabouts in the dry at 45+ mph with no loss of backend, You can make the back step out if you really want as well.

 

At 110mph the other day I had to avoid 3 cars on the a13 one broken down with no warning in the fast lane, any other car of this size would have lost its back the speed at which I snapped back in (thanks hicas)

 

The only time the TT is unstable is in the wet accelerating stupidly, the wheels start to spin at about 4k, i've only really been out of shape once and thats because I was trying to get out of the way of an ambulance in 2nd gear on a wet roundabout, The car responded well to counter steer though and was back on a straight line instantly.

 

Of course people get out of shape in them but there will be no difference to most other rear wheel cars, Ive had a few brown pants moments in my 67 Midget which I may add the zed handles just as well as.

 

Id say the NA is about as fast as an NA Mr2 from the lights? maybe a bit quicker? I kick Mr2's arses :)

Two friends have mr2s and mine really does embarrass them, so i need a go in a tt, im from newcastle by the way, so if anyone is bored ???????

The only time the TT is unstable is in the wet accelerating stupidly

 

i definately agree with that.

If you want more power then think of the comparison between a N/A and a modded TT.

There's not really much you can do to your N/A to get a lot more power.

A TT with chip, boost upgrade, decat exhaust and intake will have nearly double the power of your N/A

Now THAT is a big difference in performance!

A TT with chip, boost upgrade, decat exhaust and intake will have nearly double the power of your N/A

 

What!...... Nearly 500bhp!! I don't think so :p...Anyway.... double the hp doesn't mean double the performance....otherwise your 'tuned' TT road car would then be capable of 300mph!...0-60 in 3.5 secs and 0-100mph in about 9.0secs. :D Clearly ludicrous:p

yeah i know what he is saying tho, i didnt want world war 3 to break out mind, i was on about standard tt power, as mine is only two seater therefore lighter than 2+2 turbo, my exhaust is believed to make 6-8 bhp difference so lets say im at 236 bhp,+ a lighter car, the power to weight wont actualy be the 44 bhp difference in reality, add to that no turbo lag, and my superior driving skills and hey presto a reall tt beater especially if its an auto!!! hey thanks guys ive convinced myself to keep it ,lol so unless i can find short manual tt with zorst on already for same money as mine should i bother????? bet that stirs up the hornets roflmao x x

Originally posted by JAPCAR

What!...... Nearly 500bhp!! I don't think so :p...Anyway.... double the hp doesn't mean double the performance....otherwise your 'tuned' TT road car would then be capable of 300mph!...0-60 in 3.5 secs and 0-100mph in about 9.0secs. :D Clearly ludicrous:p

 

Errr no!

 

N/A's are ABOUT 230bhp are they not, so NEARLY double ie ABOUT 400bhp not 500 as you just made up!

And did I say that the performance figures would be halved? No. Why would anyone think they would be?

Tit!

 

Believe me the difference between a stock TT and one that's running a bar of boost is MASSIVE so a N/A would stand no chance up against one and it's pretty easy to find a TT with zorst and intake already sorted.

Doesn't cost mega bucks to do the rest either.

I agree with chris, the TT is very cheap & easy to tune (to start with!) im at around 400 bhp now, its cost me very little to do but the performance increase is HUGE!!

N/A's are ABOUT 230bhp are they not, so NEARLY double ie ABOUT 400bhp not 500 as you just made up!

 

EEeerrr! According to my maths thats equats to 460bhp!:confused:closer to 500 than 400 :D

Plus an NA with a couple of mods (intake/decat/stillen headers)can make approx 250bhp in the higher ranges...then you WOULD then be talking about 500hp to double it!

 

p.s. A stock UK auto TT lardy 2+2 only has approx 265bhp....if the turbos aren't knackered!:D

Originally posted by JAPCAR

p.s. A stock UK auto TT lardy 2+2 only has approx 265bhp....if the turbos aren't knackered!:D

 

oh dear, here we go!! :rolleyes:

 

ps chris did say nearly double the power. whats 60 bhp between friends?!?! :D

Originally posted by JAPCAR

EEeerrr! According to my maths thats equats to 460bhp!:confused:closer to 500 than 400 :D

Plus an NA with a couple of mods (intake/decat/stillen headers)can make approx 250bhp in the higher ranges...then you WOULD then be talking about 500hp to double it!

 

p.s. A stock UK auto TT lardy 2+2 only has approx 265bhp....if the turbos aren't knackered!:D

 

NEARLY to most people would mean less than double (460) so how do you get 500? LOL

The mods for a N/A cost just as much as a TT and you get far less power for your money.

How much do Stillen headers cost?

Not cheap I would think and I doubt they give much power increase.

You could probably get a TT chipped and a boost controller for the same money.

 

If you are going to say a stock TT doesn't actually have 280 - 300bhp (import?) then you can also say a stock N/A probably doesn't have 230bhp either! The difference is still the same.

 

A TT has everything the N/A has but with more power, better brakes, HICAS etc so it can only be an upgrade in every way.

 

Shame to change though if you have a clean car that is running well.

Just to play devil's advocate and throw my twopence worth in, if you don't want to keep throwing your money away on maintenance and repairs, a N/A wins every time, as a daily driver you don't need to worry about crappy turbo's blowing up every 3 years and costing nearly the market value of your car to replace!!! and the fuel economy of a SWB N/A is far better than the TT's.

 

Anyway the way the police/government are going, it will soon be pointless owning either car as driving anything in excess of about 72mph will ensure eventual loss of licence!! Have we all heard the latest about computer chips in out number plates by 2007?

 

Yes they will be able to measure average speed everywhere you go!!

Originally posted by paul newman

Just to play devil's advocate and throw my twopence worth in, if you don't want to keep throwing your money away on maintenance and repairs, a N/A wins every time, as a daily driver you don't need to worry about crappy turbo's blowing up every 3 years and costing nearly the market value of your car to replace!!! and the fuel economy of a SWB N/A is far better than the TT's.

 

Anyway the way the police/government are going, it will soon be pointless owning either car as driving anything in excess of about 72mph will ensure eventual loss of licence!! Have we all heard the latest about computer chips in out number plates by 2007?

 

Yes they will be able to measure average speed everywhere you go!!

 

how na owners can keep spouting about repair/maintenance being far lower is beyond me im afraid! the only difference is the turbos! no maintenance costs attached, and how often do they really go? mine are 9 years old & done 90k miles afaik, same as the rest of the car! i think a couple on here have done 130/140k miles without probs.

 

& if they do go, 2 new uprated hybrids cost about £1k i think smithy told me. not cheap, but not the end of the world.

 

but lets face it, the reason most of us buy these things is for the performance not great economy! buy a micra if you want good economy!:D

 

i dont really know why nissan bothered even thinking about making a n/a 300!! :p

Don't take me too seriously, I'm only kidding, I don't know about the majority on here, but I've had quite powerful cars for years, so the novelty of something that can do 155mph+ would wear off very quickly, as long as I can get to 60 in under 8 seconds and top 130mph I'm quite happy, as I didn't buy the car for ultimate performance, I bought it because it looks so f****ng fantastic!! There's nothing better than all the people I meet saying things like "I love your car, wish I could afford to buy/run something like that" funny thing is they usually own new or nearly new £15 to £25K saloons!!!

 

My Z cost me under £4K, so over a five year period say, I must be quids in allowing for quite a lot of servicing costs!! and bugger all depreciation at this stage!! I just don't get the majority of people who think they can't afford cars like this and envy me!, mind you I suppose it's good that the great unwashed know their place!!!:D :D :D

i dont really know why nissan bothered even thinking about making a n/a 300!!

 

what an ignorant comment, instant power delivery, predictable power, lesstyre wear, more affordable, appeals to a diff hence wider market, and as for performance if it only developed 100 bhp i still wouldnt agree, are u for real ????a base model car that developes 230 bhp is from a pretty special breed, and as for the comment of people only buy for performance any way is nothing short of pure but not often seen "ignorance"

What the F**K,

whether you've got an N/A or a TT,It's down to personal preference(just like the colour!)It doesn't matter!

What matters is that you've got a gorgeous Z,and that's why we are so passionate about our cars.

At the end of the day we are all brothers!(or sisters,or whatever!)

Cheers,

F.T.

Hear here F.T. woise wurrds matey not half

Hey Gavo...

 

seems you are out to annoy some people here mate....you`ve certainly got my heckles rising a bit!

 

Yup, I bought the Zed because it is the fastest, most reliable motor I could find. Drop dead gorgeous, 180(ish)mph flat out. cheap to maintain (for a supercar). Wonderful community of owners (mostly). Most of all, this package is sitting in my warm, dry garage for the relatively small sum of £5K !

 

What more could you possibly ask? EVER???

 

It is a special feeling to know that the Vectra V6 struggling to get past you has its pedal to the metal, screaming away, while the turbos on the Zed are just warming up......:D :D :D

Vectra???

V6????

Why,what for,what's the point?

Might as well have a Citreon Dianne V8 Twin Turbo!(dont tell me there is one!is there?)

F.T.

Hope not fella,

 

One thing for sure though, the Zed don`t feel as quick as my old 200sx. Still gotta grin when I look at the speedo and see it shooting up at some exponential rate.

 

Nearly bought an NA but the extra £150 on the insurance was WELL worth it!

Originally posted by fat tony

Vectra???

V6????

Why,what for,what's the point?

Might as well have a Citreon Dianne V8 Twin Turbo!(dont tell me there is one!is there?)

F.T.

LMFAO:D

And besides, the point is that you can!

 

Maybe I`m in a 2nd childhood here but the look of utter horror on the faces of various gimps when this old H reg utterly and profoundly trounces their shiny new "sports" car just keeps me a grinning...every time.....:D