Love the sound of a bov

But doing a little research found this article

 

Any truth, I can understand logic behind what is said but quite often see them fitted

 

"Z32: Don’t install blow off valves on a 300ZX

 

Tech Article: Don’t Install a BOV on a 300ZX

Composed by:*300ZXttZman

By: Greg @ Specialty Z

 

Here’s why you won’t want to install BOV’s on a engine with a MAF sensor: When you make any positive boost and you close the throttle without a BOV or recirculation plumbing, the pressurized air will stop moving and stall the turbo.

 

Blow off valve:

What a BOV does is open a valve when you let off the throttle by way of engine vacuum, this allows the air to be released into the atmosphere. This is better for the turbo than nothing in the system because it allows to turbo to keep spinning.

 

The problem with a blow off valve in a MAF sensor set up is that because the turbo is still spinning, new air is being pulled into the turbo from the air filter and is being measured by the MAF sensor. So the ECU believes all the air coming into MAF is going into the engine that is now being pushed out into open air. So when you hear that sound of air rushing, the engine is pumping fuel in for all that air you hear coming out. This causes the engine to want to stall, because it is being flooded with fuel.

 

The engine wanting to die is one thing, the other is that all the unburned fuel going into the cylinders will not burn and this washes the lubrication off the cylinder walls and the engine rings, creating premature engine wear.

 

The plumbing on a Z with MAF’s is not designed to work with a BOV and you can not tune it out. A MAF measures the air being drawn past the air filter to allow the ECU to calculate the fuel needed. The MAF needs to be measuring the air and the ECU has no way of knowing when you’re blowing some of the air outside the engine.

 

What a MAP sensor does is measure vacuum and pressure in the intake manifold to tell the engine management how much fuel is needed. So it does not matter what happens in the pipes before the throttle body with a MAP system, as the MAP only measures what happens in the engine and not what is happening BEFORE the manifold. BOV’s work fine on MAP set ups, but a recirc valve is always better, as it is helping to keep the turbo spinning by feeding the turbo air.

 

Recirculation Valve:

The stock Nissan recirc valve is larger than most aftermarket BOV’s. The stock Nissan BOV is also stronger than most aftermarket BOV’s. The stock recirc’s can handle more than 40 PSI boost pressure. What a recirc valve does is similar to a BOV, but better. Just like a BOV the recirc valve opens when it gets a vacuum signal – the difference is that instead of allowing the air to be blown off into the atmosphere, the recirc valve blows the air back into the front side of the turbo.

 

What this does is let the air out from the pressure side of the turbo and blows that air back into the suction side of the turbo. The air pushing back into the front side of the turbo is helping it keep spinning because it is recirculating the air. The air simply goes out of the turbo and right back in.

Because the air that is coming out of the turbo is going right back into the turbo, no new air is being pulled in through the MAF because the air is going in a loop.

 

Removing the stock recirc makes zero sense and will only cause issues with stalling and filling your crankcase with fuel. As long as you run a MAF you should never install a BOV.

 

Now, the reason some BOV’s cause less problems is that they come with different springs, a heavier spring requires more vacuum to open the valve. The problem with too stiff of a spring, is the valve is not opening enough, this will cause compressor surge and is hard on the turbos."

You can run internally-gated turbos with an external wastegate: You simply weld the wastegate shut.

 

Wouldn't that just be a waste of time, disable a wastegate to leave it tgere taking up space to add another furtheralong. Surely to gain from the scenarioyou would have to have a custom not intergrated gate exhaust comp hosing?

Noz yeh i did read that somewhere what ws really after was if there would be a benefit using external waste gate with stock turbo's on a mildish tuned engine say running 430 450 ish

 

On stock turbos, there would be a benefit from reducing spiking, but would it be worth the cost & effort in that engine bay, twice over? I doubt it would if that was the only benefit. I'd be more inclined to do it for the noise. I miss screamer pipes :wack:

 

Wouldn't that just be a waste of time, disable a wastegate to leave it tgere taking up space to add another furtheralong. Surely to gain from the scenarioyou would have to have a custom not intergrated gate exhaust comp hosing?

 

Internal wastegates & external wastegates differ in their ability to regulate boost, so if spiking or boost creep is a major issue, it may be the only solution. Cheap, too. If you're working with an internally-gated turbo and want to fit an ext WG, you have to weld the internal gate shut (holding closed with wire is another method), there isn't another way if that's the set-up you're going for.

 

Swapping any old T2x exhaust (turbine) housing (comp = compressor, cold side) for a T2x in a non-gated configuration would be a massive ballache, you may as well swap the turbos. I suppose a typical scenario where this is a probable solution would be an internally-gated GT2876 on a 1.8-2.2L engine. That set up is prone to boost creep without modification. They come in both IWG & EWG flavours from the factory, so swapping one for the other would not be an issue.

found this Noz is this the noise u want lol

found this Noz is this the noise u want lol

 

My God that's terrible. Love the look of the car though.

 

No, proper screamer pipe from an external wastegate only thanks :laugh:

Thanks for your detailed response, I under that better now.

My God that's terrible. Love the look of the car though.

 

No, proper screamer pipe from an external wastegate only thanks :laugh:

 

Can you find a vid of sound ?..