car runs over a loads of people at car cruz there lucky no one died http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28531506

you have to agree noz its better of the public road

Totally agree with this!

 

I too had a Cavalier GSi! Thought it was a great car! Fitted some H&R springs to it and it handled like it was on rails!

 

so if you agree with noz then do you have a better idea si for the kids to go play in there car ?

Totally agree with this!

 

I too had a Cavalier GSi! Thought it was a great car! Fitted some H&R springs to it and it handled like it was on rails!

 

I had full Spax adjustable suspension on mine, bought brand new as well! Handled amazingly well. Loved that car, and I used to get 40mpg out of it.

so if you agree with noz then do you have a better idea si for the kids to go play in there car ?

 

A bit of education. Not all kids want to drive around like cock nuggets. A driving license is a privilege, not a right. Why would you want to encourage kids to trash their cars, drive like morons damaging their cars and potentially injuring people. I am all for a bit of spirited driving and using the car in the manor in which it was designed, not forcing a car back whilst your mates push down on the bonnet to see how quickly you can destroy your tyres and transmission....or handbrake turns!? I mean seriously.

 

I had full Spax adjustable suspension on mine, bought brand new as well! Handled amazingly well. Loved that car, and I used to get 40mpg out of it.

 

Mine was about 5 years old. I think I was about 19 or 20 when I had it....Westminster Blue.

 

 

Just because something is "too expensive" for someone who stacks shelves in Tesco (to use your example, Dan) doesn't mean that there should automatically be a "budget version" available for the less well off...

 

If track days and RWYBs are beyond the reach of those who can afford to buy reasonably quick cars, that doesn't mean they should go hooning them around public roads or car parks. Yes, we all have or have had moments where we've put our foot down - possibly to show off or to try and impress someone - but incidents like the story above are a prime example of why track days and the like are the environment for people to thrash their cars!!

There are quite a few places for them to go and they are not dear

Santa Pod,avon raceway, york, North weald and plenty of others

all covered with medical care ambulances proper marshalling and PL insurance

There also drift what you brung

si you are coming form a adult point of view the kids are like 19 20 and don't think the same way as you. you not encourage them to trash there car you are saying if you want to dot this kind of stuff then its upto you just do it off the road simple

No, I am coming from a youngster's point of view. I have ALWAYS thought that.

yes you may hate this. but many thousand of people do this kind of stuff every weekend give em place to go do it off the public road

you have to agree noz its better of the public road

 

That's like saying AIDS is better than Leprosy.

 

No, for the Nth time I don't have to agree. Look at the bigger picture. It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me whatsoever that people at a 'cruz' are knocked over. They know the dangers. I've been to many back in the day out of boredom, seen it all. Nothing's changed by the looks of it. After the cruise comes the street-racing, so better it happened there than in the general public.

 

I don't see the point in pandering to idiocy. I can't believe this is an actual topic on this forum.

yes thay no the dangers so go off road and do it

That's like saying AIDS is better than Leprosy.

 

 

 

I now have snot and PG Tips pouring out of my nostrils! :lol:

si you are coming form a adult point of view the kids are like 19 20

 

19 and 20 year olds are adults, not children. Simple as that.

I give up all am saying is its going to happen if you like it or not care or not the point is give them some were that don't cost the earth to it away from the public

yes you may hate this. but many thousand of people do this kind of stuff every weekend give em place to go do it off the public road

 

.....Or take away their licences and give them custodial sentences. That's just one other option.

 

Thousands of people shoot up every weekend. Why not use the wasteland for Junky Time instead.

.....Or take away their licences and give them custodial sentences. That's just one other option.

 

Thousands of people shoot up every weekend. Why not use the wasteland for Junky Time instead.

 

if people want to shoot up in there own house than that's upto them I have no issue with that in public well that's just not rite

if people want to shoot up in there own house than that's upto them I have no issue with that in public well that's just not rite

 

Good God :wack:

Good God :wack:

 

cant win with you today can i

Nothing to win. You can't beat Darwinism :wack:

now I agree you cant no

if people want to shoot up in there own house than that's upto them I have no issue with that in public well that's just not rite

 

They may well take their drugs in the privacy of their own homes but they have probably been out stealing from all and sundry to pay for it!!

They may well take their drugs in the privacy of their own homes but they have probably been out stealing from all and sundry to pay for it!!

 

 

each to there own isn't it I just mine my own biz nowdays for a easy life

What has to born in mind is we were all young and stupid once, what form of stupid you were and when is relatively irrelevant. I have a saying I came across and it's always stuck with me.

"if coffee were outlawed, only outlaws would drink coffee."

What I take from this is morality and law are not the same thing. Two examples of ****tery that relate to this subject, both stupid one despicable. Both most importantly true.

 

Two kids in my school at a parents party, dads had given them some stumpy beers as they do, perfectly legally I might add. The dad works at a garage and has brought a boxster home for the weekend, being two stupid 16 year olds they nicked the keys and took it round the block, unfortunately and tragically the hit someone. They both got hammered for it, rightly so the driver went to prison for a fair while. He was just a normal kid who made an extremly stupid split second decision. He now has to live with that for the rest of his life. Completely despicable and sad and all of the rest of it. At the base line a stupid five minutes.

 

The other end of the spectrum, a lad my brother in law is friends with did A handbrake turn in sainsburys carpark, not in the day in the evening. He already had 3 points for speeding and having just passed his test the conviction for dangerous driving meant his license disappear for quite a while.

 

A third tale for you is a group of lads the year below at school, you remember the ones "invincible" "mush" harmless enough and mostly full of hot air. Until one night outside onestop the bravado went over the top, an older bloke told them to bog off essentially. So fueled by teenage stupidity one if them punched the bloke. Here's were it gets abnormal, the guy stumbled back fell over cracked his head on a post and died. That kid went to prison for I believe in the end manslaughter.

 

The reason I'm telling you these stories, is to demonstrate the simple fact that 99% of us wether we admitt it or not were stupid. Think back about the things you've done and how though a bit of shit luck it could have gone very differently. We all make stupid choices, usually on the spur of the moment. Sometimes it goes very wrong, does that instantly make you a bad person? In my opinion, no, just stupid. Some people never grow out of it and continue to make poor choices, drugs, wives, fighting etc. Thankfully we mostly grow up. However society seems to have lost the ability for you to be stupid once, to make a silly call and not ruin your life. We have flipped out morality to the point were a serial mugger gets off lighter in terms if scale to a 14 year old who steals a Mars bar, it's a gross exaggeration but you see my point.

 

Do you deserve to get the book thrown at you for running over 15 people in carpark because you were doing a burnout, well frankly yes, yes you do. I know for a fact many members on here speed, some even drift round round abouts on public highways. I don't I need my license thanks. Anyways I've gone off on one now, my point is kids will be stupid, out can't change that. What we can do however is encourage them if they have to be stupid do it out of harms way, preferably in a controlled environment. They won't take you up on that offer though if it's going to take them 3 hours to get there and cost more than there junk car did. Skidpan work and all of the rest if it should be part of the test, they would not only have it out their system, they would be safer. Call it section 3 car control and motorway driving, bet you save more lives than writing out tickets for people doing 81mph at 2am on the m4....

What has to born in mind is we were all young and stupid once, what form of stupid you were and when is relatively irrelevant. I have a saying I came across and it's always stuck with me.

"if coffee were outlawed, only outlaws would drink coffee."

What I take from this is morality and law are not the same thing. Two examples of ****tery that relate to this subject, both stupid one despicable. Both most importantly true.

 

Two kids in my school at a parents party, dads had given them some stumpy beers as they do, perfectly legally I might add. The dad works at a garage and has brought a boxster home for the weekend, being two stupid 16 year olds they nicked the keys and took it round the block, unfortunately and tragically the hit someone. They both got hammered for it, rightly so the driver went to prison for a fair while. He was just a normal kid who made an extremly stupid split second decision. He now has to live with that for the rest of his life. Completely despicable and sad and all of the rest of it. At the base line a stupid five minutes.

 

The other end of the spectrum, a lad my brother in law is friends with did A handbrake turn in sainsburys carpark, not in the day in the evening. He already had 3 points for speeding and having just passed his test the conviction for dangerous driving meant his license disappear for quite a while.

 

A third tale for you is a group of lads the year below at school, you remember the ones "invincible" "mush" harmless enough and mostly full of hot air. Until one night outside onestop the bravado went over the top, an older bloke told them to bog off essentially. So fueled by teenage stupidity one if them punched the bloke. Here's were it gets abnormal, the guy stumbled back fell over cracked his head on a post and died. That kid went to prison for I believe in the end manslaughter.

 

The reason I'm telling you these stories, is to demonstrate the simple fact that 99% of us wether we admitt it or not were stupid. Think back about the things you've done and how though a bit of shit luck it could have gone very differently. We all make stupid choices, usually on the spur of the moment. Sometimes it goes very wrong, does that instantly make you a bad person? In my opinion, no, just stupid. Some people never grow out of it and continue to make poor choices, drugs, wives, fighting etc. Thankfully we mostly grow up. However society seems to have lost the ability for you to be stupid once, to make a silly call and not ruin your life. We have flipped out morality to the point were a serial mugger gets off lighter in terms if scale to a 14 year old who steals a Mars bar, it's a gross exaggeration but you see my point.

 

Do you deserve to get the book thrown at you for running over 15 people in carpark because you were doing a burnout, well frankly yes, yes you do. I know for a fact many members on here speed, some even drift round round abouts on public highways. I don't I need my license thanks. Anyways I've gone off on one now, my point is kids will be stupid, out can't change that. What we can do however is encourage them if they have to be stupid do it out of harms way, preferably in a controlled environment. They won't take you up on that offer though if it's going to take them 3 hours to get there and cost more than there junk car did. Skidpan work and all of the rest if it should be part of the test, they would not only have it out their system, they would be safer. Call it section 3 car control and motorway driving, bet you save more lives than writing out tickets for people doing 81mph at 2am on the m4....

 

well said off the road is better than the public highway why noz was not liking idea of letting them do it off the round in beyond me