hi all before i lowerd my zed i could sit on a private road giving it some and the car would feel solid and firm to the road. but sins i lowerd it but it dosent feel right at, it feels like iv got flat tyers and wags. and i mean wags like two lanes of private road wags so where could i find the right geo setings or is it just the same as factory and dose enybody no what those are please

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by riggers
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Just the same as factory. But if your swaying all over the place i would say you have not connected somthing up right.

 

My car was well out, every bush every single bit of the underneath has been changed for new and all 4 wheels were pointing in a different direction lol!!!! but i never had any problems keeping in my lane. it was just a bit tricky on the b roads lol!!

 

Also when you lower a zed you could do with fitting adjustable camber arms as this will now be out.

Sounds like you need to fit camber adjustment arms. Depending how much you've lowered the suspension will throw the camber settings out. Although, I would be surprised if it would make it that unstable. First thing to do is get a print out from a wheel alignment place and go from there. See whats wrong and see what you need to do to correct it. For about 15 quid you should be able to find the problem. You may have altered the toe setting at the rear, which would have a pronounced effect.

Sounds like you need to fit camber adjustment arms. Depending how much you've lowered the suspension will throw the camber settings out. Although, I would be surprised if it would make it that unstable. First thing to do is get a print out from a wheel alignment place and go from there. See whats wrong and see what you need to do to correct it. For about 15 quid you should be able to find the problem. You may have altered the toe setting at the rear, which would have a pronounced effect.

 

thanks fellas dont supose you no the factory settings do you ? the garage is unsure about the set up and what thay should be

Is this any use?

 

http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1557450&postcount=13

Sounds like you need to fit camber adjustment arms. Depending how much you've lowered the suspension will throw the camber settings out. Although, I would be surprised if it would make it that unstable. First thing to do is get a print out from a wheel alignment place and go from there. See whats wrong and see what you need to do to correct it. For about 15 quid you should be able to find the problem. You may have altered the toe setting at the rear, which would have a pronounced effect.

 

Yeap i've taken my coilovers out until all my arms arrive from japan, at the height i want to run it it end up with about 4 degrees front camber. no point driving it like that.

Riggers, mentioning them speeds on a motor way and then complaining it doesnt feel right, is a bit silly, I've had to edit your original post.

 

I've changed it so it doesnt mention the speeds you were doing which is what you should of done in the first place.

 

What i would suggest is driving slower so you don't kill someone. or take it to the track which is where your going to notice the improvements of lowered suspension.

 

Lowering your car is going to stiffen the springs up and on UK roads with all the bumps and what not, stability is going to be very speed dependant.

Riggers, mentioning them speeds on a motor way and then complaining it doesnt feel right, is a bit silly, I've had to edit your original post.

 

I've changed it so it doesnt mention the speeds you were doing which is what you should of done in the first place.

 

What i would suggest is driving slower so you don't kill someone. or take it to the track which is where your going to notice the improvements of lowered suspension.

 

Lowering your car is going to stiffen the springs up and on UK roads with all the bumps and what not, stability is going to be very speed dependant.

 

Well said, road is not place for it, something goes wrong it's game over.

I found the Tein coilovers I had on, to be very unstable and the car was actually raised just above standard height because the adjustment collars were seized in place. Every bump and drop in the road caused the car to wave around, even at 50 - 70mph on dual carriageways and motorways, it was horrid.

 

Mikey Beans car has a full MeisterR setup on it and it seems to be incredibly stable, so I get the impression that they've put the time and effort into the spring rate for both our cars and the UK road conditions, where Tein have maybe developed it for American roads, which tend to be in MUCH better condition, or perhaps that AND developed it for an S14 and then re-sold it as 300zx Suspension as well, since it'll fit or something.

 

Not sure what coilovers / lowering technique you've used, but since putting standard shocks on mine with lowering springs, the car is a LOT more stable than the coilovers ever were. I'm DEFINITELY investing in a set of MeisterRs next year after driving Mikeys car and being so impressed.

I found the Tein coilovers I had on, to be very unstable and the car was actually raised just above standard height because the adjustment collars were seized in place. Every bump and drop in the road caused the car to wave around, even at 50 - 70mph on dual carriageways and motorways, it was horrid.

 

Mikey Beans car has a full MeisterR setup on it and it seems to be incredibly stable, so I get the impression that they've put the time and effort into the spring rate for both our cars and the UK road conditions, where Tein have maybe developed it for American roads, which tend to be in MUCH better condition, or perhaps that AND developed it for an S14 and then re-sold it as 300zx Suspension as well, since it'll fit or something.

 

Not sure what coilovers / lowering technique you've used, but since putting standard shocks on mine with lowering springs, the car is a LOT more stable than the coilovers ever were. I'm DEFINITELY investing in a set of MeisterRs next year after driving Mikeys car and being so impressed.

 

 

The only non z32 coilovers that will fit are r32 gtr and r32 gtst, but generally you have to make the top hats a bit smaller.

 

Fitting coilovers alone is never going to be right, you really have to have the proper arms and the right spring rates for your usage. Personally if buying coilovers i go for body adjustables, then you are changing the length of the overall shock which gives you seperate spring preload adjustment.

Fronts for a lower spec r32 will fit, but the rears wont as they are a round lower mount not fork like the gtr and gts-4

 

Actually in my last post i meant to say gtr and gts-4 not gts-t... gts-t rears will not fit, they have to be for a 4wd r32 skyline.

Yeah, see NZ roads are very different to the ones here. I know the camber is all messed up in NZ (Certainly in the top half of the north island it is anyway) but the roads are much smoother, less potholed, less shoddy repairs, etc.

 

Back in the 90's we had the introduction of fibre optics to your door, by privateer companies, who used contractors to dig up whichever road they needed to and install the fibre cables. At the time, there was no law against them doing so, they could just put their tents and barriers up, dig up the roads and then repair what they'd done as badly and poorly as they wanted to.

 

They did introduce laws to stop it, but it was too late for the most part. I lived in Surrey, which is south of London, in the 90s and it was rife with a company called Nynex digging up all our roads and pavements and when I visit there now (A regular monthly visit usually at the moment) 2 decades later, the roads have all degraded around where those repairs were done by the freelance contractors and the roads are just perilous. The council don't seem to be able to repair them fast enough, especially with the last few heavy winters we've had breaking the roads up even more.

 

All of this basically results in the UK, having a very specific market requirement for things like spring rate in coilovers, without the correct spring rate, you're going to experience a very bad ride indeed here, to the point of the car becoming very dangerous to drive, even at the speed limit on a normal road. With the Teins on and my camber etc. still being about right since the car wasn't lowered by the suspension at all, I lost complete confidence in the handling of the car and started to refuse to drive it until I changed out the suspension again.

Yeah, see NZ roads are very different to the ones here. I know the camber is all messed up in NZ (Certainly in the top half of the north island it is anyway) but the roads are much smoother, less potholed, less shoddy repairs, etc.

 

Back in the 90's we had the introduction of fibre optics to your door, by privateer companies, who used contractors to dig up whichever road they needed to and install the fibre cables. At the time, there was no law against them doing so, they could just put their tents and barriers up, dig up the roads and then repair what they'd done as badly and poorly as they wanted to.

 

They did introduce laws to stop it, but it was too late for the most part. I lived in Surrey, which is south of London, in the 90s and it was rife with a company called Nynex digging up all our roads and pavements and when I visit there now (A regular monthly visit usually at the moment) 2 decades later, the roads have all degraded around where those repairs were done by the freelance contractors and the roads are just perilous. The council don't seem to be able to repair them fast enough, especially with the last few heavy winters we've had breaking the roads up even more.

 

All of this basically results in the UK, having a very specific market requirement for things like spring rate in coilovers, without the correct spring rate, you're going to experience a very bad ride indeed here, to the point of the car becoming very dangerous to drive, even at the speed limit on a normal road. With the Teins on and my camber etc. still being about right since the car wasn't lowered by the suspension at all, I lost complete confidence in the handling of the car and started to refuse to drive it until I changed out the suspension again.

 

Yeap coilovers on a shoddy roads are awful, you'd need to run around a 4kg spring at the most, stock are 2.8 and 3.0 roughly from memory.

As most of you may know im very new to the Z having only bought her a few weeks ago.

 

The car i bought has a set of fully adjustable 1 - 10 coilovers on....

 

Im not sure what make i think Tein,

 

As she is my daily runner i commute bot using a, roads as well as the motorway. imo not that ive got a lot to base it on,. in the dry on smoothish roads the car is on rails... however even at level 1 the softest setting as soon as i hit the a/b roads its not great, im sure they should have come with a free chirocpractor. LOL.

As most of you may know im very new to the Z having only bought her a few weeks ago.

 

The car i bought has a set of fully adjustable 1 - 10 coilovers on....

 

Im not sure what make i think Tein,

 

As she is my daily runner i commute bot using a, roads as well as the motorway. imo not that ive got a lot to base it on,. in the dry on smoothish roads the car is on rails... however even at level 1 the softest setting as soon as i hit the a/b roads its not great, im sure they should have come with a free chirocpractor. LOL.

 

I live on a gravel road, i'm dreading the day its finished and i have to go down it with coilovers in, they hardly ever grade the damn thing, has all these ripples in the corners from all the 4x4's.

 

Stock z shocks are too soft though.

As most of you may know im very new to the Z having only bought her a few weeks ago.

 

The car i bought has a set of fully adjustable 1 - 10 coilovers on....

 

Im not sure what make i think Tein,

 

As she is my daily runner i commute bot using a, roads as well as the motorway. imo not that ive got a lot to base it on,. in the dry on smoothish roads the car is on rails... however even at level 1 the softest setting as soon as i hit the a/b roads its not great, im sure they should have come with a free chirocpractor. LOL.

 

Tein have notoriously stiff spring rates - obviously you can change the damper settings, but that doesn't mean toffee if the springs are too stiff. If you set the damper at a low setting then the spring runs rampant and you end up with an ultra firm, poorly damped ride. Over springing a car does more harm than good. You need compliant suspension on UK roads, not track stiff items.

 

You should be able to replace just the springs though, without shelling out for a new damper. Tein are good quality item, just OTT spring rates.

Riggers, mentioning them speeds on a motor way and then complaining it doesnt feel right, is a bit silly, I've had to edit your original post.

 

I've changed it so it doesnt mention the speeds you were doing which is what you should of done in the first place.

 

What i would suggest is driving slower so you don't kill someone. or take it to the track which is where your going to notice the improvements of lowered suspension.

 

Lowering your car is going to stiffen the springs up and on UK roads with all the bumps and what not, stability is going to be very speed dependant.

 

 

..or Riggers, just adapt your statements to say things like "I was driving on a private road at 160mph etc etc" We all know what you mean, as we're not stupid, but it avoids the above kind of interference.

 

Remember - speed kills period (not the inappropriate use of speed, which more liberally minded types would reason, nope, all speed is dangerous - infact, best leave the car on the drive and start walking everywhere)

..or Riggers, just adapt your statements to say things like "I was driving on a private road at 160mph etc etc" We all know what you mean, as we're not stupid, but it avoids the above kind of interference.

 

Remember - speed kills period (not the inappropriate use of speed, which more liberally minded types would reason, nope, all speed is dangerous - infact, best leave the car on the drive and start walking everywhere)

 

It's generally not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop as your organs mince through your rib cage and you start gasping for air and spitting blood.... then choke on your own blood.

 

Then die.

 

Sounds like a nice way to go.

It's generally not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop as your organs mince through your rib cage and you start gasping for air and spitting blood.... then choke on your own blood.

 

Then die.

 

Sounds like a nice way to go.

 

Like I said, all speed is dangerous - best just to walk..

Like I said, all speed is dangerous - best just to walk..

 

Not really... 60mph you got a chance of survival in something as solid as a Z, even in a head on...

 

When you are doing almost 3x that speed you're guaranteed dead, and what about the poor ba**ard you hit?

Not really... 60mph you got a chance of survival in something as solid as a Z, even in a head on...

 

When you are doing almost 3x that speed you're guaranteed dead, and what about the poor ba**ard you hit?

 

So I'm guessing you don't fly either (in aeroplanes) given the chance of surviving in the event of an emergency is so slim?

..or Riggers, just adapt your statements to say things like "I was driving on a private road at 160mph etc etc" We all know what you mean, as we're not stupid, but it avoids the above kind of interference.

 

Remember - speed kills period (not the inappropriate use of speed, which more liberally minded types would reason, nope, all speed is dangerous - infact, best leave the car on the drive and start walking everywhere)

 

nice to know you class it as "interference"

 

Id just prefer if people didn't state they were doing 160 on motorway and that they are having a hard time controlling said speed now the car has been lowered.

 

Id rather not have posts where people are trying to help someone achieve a stable zed for boosting it down a motorway at over 100mph trying to kill them selves or other people.

 

Id also rather not have a post by a relative stating that said driver ended up in a barrier and the funeral is on such and such a date.

 

Its easy to ask the same question with out implying what the reasons are, a bit more diligence is all thats needed.

 

I'm also fully aware we have removed and asked for people not to state what speeds they are doing on public roads on many occasion and that the club doesnt condone this kind of action.

 

why you felt the need to reply how you did ill never know, but im sure you can appreciate that doing and advertising your doing over 160 on a public highway is inappropriate and should not be condoned OR encouraged.

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by vodkashots

It's generally not the speed that kills you, it's the sudden stop as your organs mince through your rib cage and you start gasping for air and spitting blood.... then choke on your own blood.

 

Then die.

 

Sounds like a nice way to go.

 

I agree... in fact I used to have that written on one of my old motors lol

So I'm guessing you don't fly either (in aeroplanes) given the chance of surviving in the event of an emergency is so slim?

 

Now you're just plucking at straws.

 

Completely different scenario.

 

160mph on a public road is just nothing short of idiocy.

 

I'm not continuing this own with you as i prefer discussion with people who have some intellect. and a frontal lobe.

nice to know you class it as "interference"

 

Id just prefer if people didn't state they were doing 160 on motorway and that they are having a hard time controlling said speed now the car has been lowered.

 

Id rather not have posts where people are trying to help someone achieve a stable zed for boosting it down a motorway at over 100mph trying to kill them selves or other people.

 

Id also rather not have a post by a relative stating that said driver ended up in a barrier and the funeral is on such and such a date.

 

Its easy to ask the same question with out implying what the reasons are, a bit more diligence is all thats needed.

 

I'm also fully aware we have removed and asked for people not to state what speeds they are doing on public roads on many occasion and that the club doesnt condone this kind of action.

 

why you felt the need to reply how you did ill never know, but im sure you can appreciate that doing and advertising your doing over 160 on a public highway is inappropriate and should not be condoned OR encouraged.

 

Very well said, nothing i can really add to that.

nice to know you class it as "interference"

 

Id just prefer if people didn't state they were doing 160 on motorway and that they are having a hard time controlling said speed now the car has been lowered.

 

Id rather not have posts where people are trying to help someone achieve a stable zed for boosting it down a motorway at over 100mph trying to kill them selves or other people.

 

Id also rather not have a post by a relative stating that said driver ended up in a barrier and the funeral is on such and such a date.

 

Its easy to ask the same question with out implying what the reasons are, a bit more diligence is all thats needed.

 

I'm also fully aware we have removed and asked for people not to state what speeds they are doing on public roads on many occasion and that the club doesnt condone this kind of action.

 

why you felt the need to reply how you did ill never know, but im sure you can appreciate that doing and advertising your doing over 160 on a public highway is inappropriate and should not be condoned OR encouraged.

 

 

Meh,

 

OK, so we shouldn't promote it - but I feel it's hypocritical that we can chastise someone for behaviour that many people on here indulge in themselves.

 

We all have fast cars here. I didn't buy mine to drive it slowly either. I also don't see the point of pretending I drive any differently than I do - I think I'm responsible enough to know when is the correct time to use speed.

 

It's all too PC for me. Pot calling the kettle black etc.

 

It's OK to imply that we drive above the speed limit, but not to state actual facts. I know you have a site to moderate, but I'm fed up with all the PC shite that's peddled these days. Tell it how it is. Just because you comment on a thread doesn't mean you condone it. But, we do have a police force to enforce the law, I think that is sufficient. If we all thought about the what if's and could be's, we'd do absolutely feck all.

 

Meh, meh and meh.

 

Edit - by peddling PC shite, I'm referring to the world in general not you or this website specifically.

Edited December 5, 201114 yr by leo-r32gts