http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=381007

 

make your own mind up!!!!!!!!

'new trainers, new jeans and a new t shirt'

Nice one

Good on him, but you cant help but wonder if stories like that would make us think twice about helping someone.

 

Is a strangers life more important than mine?

I take it you mean do we believe him or not. Only briefly skimmed the rest of the thread, but its made up of a mix of people believing and disbelieving him.

 

 

I want it to be true, and if so then Full praise to him.

 

I hope we would all do the same, but ofcourse there is a difference between sneaking up on a guy you think is on his own and that you have not even considered being armed, compared to stopping 2 men that you know are amed with Machetes and guns.

Edited July 20, 201114 yr by Yowser

sorry but he annoyed me in the first 3 paragraphs, he walked back through the park to get his car to drive home even though he'd been drinking and was "merry" from drinking - dick!

I think, infact, I know I would do the same, I hate scum like that almost as much as I hate Jedward, and that's some serious amount of hate, obviously I would prefer a better outcome tho, not really keen on getting sliced and shot to be honest, but hey, chicks dig scars :)

I think well done to him!!!

How many people on here would just walk by and do nothing they are also scum good on the guy a lot of weak people in this country

So someone who is too afraid to help would be scum? Pretty stupid statement mate!

 

I honestly don't believe anyone truly knows what they'd do in a situation unless they found themselves faced with it!

 

My Mum tried to help someone years ago and ended up being punched in the face - result was she was scared to go out for a while!! Now I've told her not to get involved and call for help!!

tbh I'd probably be just as stupid as him and go and help, but the bottom line is, he nearly ended up dead, and it could have been both of them dead, let alone him. That all said, I wouldn't have been walking through a park at night alone for one thing and I wouldn't have been grabbing my car if I was "merry" either. It's good that she lived, but I don't think I can brand him a hero. He may have been more merry than he's letting on, in which case, the Alcohol makes everyone a super hero and says nothing, for his personal morals as such, if you understand me? If the situation were different and he was driving drunk, he could have run her over and killed a mother and wife anyway.

 

I'm very glad they both survived, I'd have done the same thing with my mother too, wouldn't have wanted her freaking out if I was gunna be fine.

 

In the end, if he was soberish and did this because he has morals (Very rare these days) and he actually genuinely cared, cool, but then he accepted a new outfit from the family for doing something honourable, which taints it. I just dunno.

Not a stupid statement at all if people in society would turn a blind eye then they are scum it doesn't have to be directly saving the day yourself however there is people that would just ignore it

Hope its true but shot in the stomach missing all vital organs! and it will be a small wound going in and fist size wound going out and thats a long recovery. But as I said Ihope its true what he says but there is just a few alarm bells ringing in my head about it imo.

Edited July 20, 201114 yr by Gaz 300

How come we don't have threads like this in our forum??

 

C'mon you lot - toughen up!

 

Sounds to me like it's all a bit fishy. He drives an Evo too, so that's a bad start. Sure there's more to this story than first glance would suggest.

 

I'm off to look for a heroin in distress (with my Samuri sword in my pocket)!

Hope its true but shoot in the stomach missing all vital organs! and it will be a small wound going in and fist size wound going out and thats a long recovery. But as I said Ihope its true what he says but there is just a few alarm bells ringing in my head about it imo.

 

i didn't want to comment as im usually the black sheep when it comes to these sorts of stories.

 

But i agree mate, way too much fishy business.

 

A hand gun shoots at 2000+ fps (thats foot per second) i know a few mates who went to afghan, and a couple who did tours in Iraq and afghan, 2 of them got shot, one by a AK, the other by a hand gun, and both have told me a similar thing.

 

Its like getting hit by pro boxer with the hand gun and like being hit by a train with the AK. Also, its well known a stomach wound is one of the most painful places to get shot, and excuse me for knowing my anatomy here, but if the bullet went in and came out in a straight line (although the guy said he was on the floor pointing the gun, so that would be shot at an upward angle) but that bullet would of gone through quite a few layers of intestines. not something you would be walking out of hospital with the same day and thats it it didnt hit the top part of his kidney.

 

Not to mention the risk of internal bleeding, and im sure had it gone in and out, there would be a bigger patch than that on his stomach where they would of had to patch up the path the bullet took.

 

Another thing. bullets are designed to deform once in the body causing extensive damage and larger exit wounds. (hell you just have to watch trauma on CBS reality to know what a bullet to the stomach can do) most people hit in the stomach are bed ridden for a few weeks, not up and about posting about it on the Internet.

 

So im guessing this hand gun business that he says he got shot with seems a bit well, fishy.

 

I also like how he said he doesnt want to make it public, but then posts it on a forum on the web? excuse me if im wrong here, but its already public now. and im sure this isn't the only website that story has been posted too.

 

Another point id like to make. I've seen sword cuts in flesh and i can tell you now. a very swift swipe with a sword / machete, makes a nice straight line cut. not a jagged one that looks like a glass bottle mark.

 

To me, it looks like the guy got into a bar fight, got slashed with either a stanley knife / broken bottle. and then stabbed again in the stomach.

 

Science of bullet wounds doesnt change just because someone says they are a hero.

If you go all the way through the posts, he shows off other scars he's got. He's been in way too much agro for some 'good lad' just trying to help folks. I'm also well suspicious of young guys with really nice cars. Where do they get their money from? He doesn't look like an investment banker.. The fact there is a punch bag, pride of place in his room/bedsit makes me even less convinced this guy is a good en. Its easy to jump to conclusions, based on a very small amount of info though.

 

If it wasn't for the women who could collaborate his story then I'd just say it was a stack of schit, which he will ultimately cover himself in. I'll be interested to see how this one pans out..

Servers too busy so I can't read it :( What's the gist of the story?

He looks more like someone who would be the criminal to be honest.

I can say in all honesty that there is absolutly no way I could not help stop a woman from being raped/attacked no matter how dangerous the situation would be for myself.

 

It's not me acting "hard" it's that I couldn't live with myself If I walked away.

Thought a story this big would have made the news / paper ( definatly the sun lol).

i cant believe the guy says he had a 7 hour op, and they still let him walk home the same day he came around?

 

I know the NHS can be a bit incompetent sometimes, but they are not going to let someone who has just had major surgery, get up and go out.

 

Let alone the fact the amount of pain he would be in with a stomach wound.

looks like a very lucky or unlucky fella,depending on how you view it?

 

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=837643

 

A hand gun shoots at 2000+ fps (thats foot per second) i know a few mates who went to afghan, and a couple who did tours in Iraq and afghan, 2 of them got shot, one by a AK, the other by a hand gun, and both have told me a similar thing.

 

Its like getting hit by pro boxer with the hand gun and like being hit by a train with the AK. Also, its well known a stomach wound is one of the most painful places to get shot, and excuse me for knowing my anatomy here, but if the bullet went in and came out in a straight line (although the guy said he was on the floor pointing the gun, so that would be shot at an upward angle) but that bullet would of gone through quite a few layers of intestines. not something you would be walking out of hospital with the same day and thats it it didnt hit the top part of his kidney.

 

Not to mention the risk of internal bleeding, and im sure had it gone in and out, there would be a bigger patch than that on his stomach where they would of had to patch up the path the bullet took.

 

Another thing. bullets are designed to deform once in the body causing extensive damage and larger exit wounds. (hell you just have to watch trauma on CBS reality to know what a bullet to the stomach can do) most people hit in the stomach are bed ridden for a few weeks, not up and about posting about it on the Internet.

 

So im guessing this hand gun business that he says he got shot with seems a bit well, fishy.

 

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From my experience, having been shot twice (which was a laugh....not) there are so many variables it's not really an exact science, despite what CSI would have you believe

 

when it comes to ballistics and the effects on the body, variables such as ammunition type, ammunition calibre, type of weapon used, barrel length, angles, distance, layers/materials passed through prior to penetration of the body, body type, where entry point is etc, it all plays a part.

 

High velocity (rifle ammunition, 5.56mm and 7.62mm, 7.45mm etc) will travel further and faster than low velocity subsonic ammunition and will more often than not have a substantial effect on the body, whereas subsonic ammunition eg. 9mm, .45 cal , .38 as used in most short barrelled weapons (pistols/SMGs etc) will have a very different effect on the body.

 

Certain ammunition types such as the NATO 5.56mm is designed to tumble following impact in order to cause maximum internal damage, whereas a larger round such as the NATO 7.62mm will either punch straight through or knock you on your arse and in certain circumstances, despite being a bigger and more powerful round will cause less damage than the smaller 5.56mm.

It's quite common for entry points and exit points to be in very different parts of the body (ie. get shot in the shoulder, round comes out of your calf).

More often than not the exit point will be considerably larger than the entry point.

 

Subsonic ammunition has a tendency to dump the majority of its energy immediatly upon impact, though that's not to say that it couldn't penetrate fully if it didn't hit anything substantial on impact, but it is more likely that the round wouldn't and would end up lodged somewhere internally.

 

Certain ammunition will fragment on impact and again cause a lot of damage effectively creating a number of different tracks making it very difficult to stem the bleeding

 

 

if this guy did what he says he did then good on him (drink driving aside) but if it's a load of boll***s then he's clearly a pathetic Walter Mitty f**kwit with issues, who needs to stop watching Van Damme and Segal movies and get a life.....or alternately, he could just wear body armour and helmet next time he goes out on the lash!

looks like a very lucky or unlucky fella,depending on how you view it?

 

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=837643

 

hold on, so one forum hes saying he got his injury to do with being lumped around the head with a baseball bat and on a health advice page, he saying he got his injury from blowing up a tyre.

 

120psi of pressure and hes alive? ok pull the other one. seriously the guy has issues.

 

when working in the tyre trade, if you were going to inflate a tyre and couldn't get the thing beaded (where it pops onto the edge of the rim) in less than 50psi, you were supposed to use a cage.

 

30psi is the explosive force of a hand grenade. hell 30psi tractor tyre explodes and its not in a cage it can kill you instantly.

 

ooh i give up, he is clearly an attention seeking idiot.

 

"i don't want it to get out as i don't like the attention" he says while posting it on the web? LOL

 

From my experience, having been shot twice (which was a laugh....not) there are so many variables it's not really an exact science, despite what CSI would have you believe

 

when it comes to ballistics and the effects on the body, variables such as ammunition type, ammunition calibre, type of weapon used, barrel length, angles, distance, layers/materials passed through prior to penetration of the body, body type, where entry point is etc, it all plays a part.

 

High velocity (rifle ammunition, 5.56mm and 7.62mm, 7.45mm etc) will travel further and faster than low velocity subsonic ammunition and will more often than not have a substantial effect on the body, whereas subsonic ammunition eg. 9mm, .45 cal , .38 as used in most short barrelled weapons (pistols/SMGs etc) will have a very different effect on the body.

 

Certain ammunition types such as the NATO 5.56mm is designed to tumble following impact in order to cause maximum internal damage, whereas a larger round such as the NATO 7.62mm will either punch straight through or knock you on your arse and in certain circumstances, despite being a bigger and more powerful round will cause less damage than the smaller 5.56mm.

It's quite common for entry points and exit points to be in very different parts of the body (ie. get shot in the shoulder, round comes out of your calf).

More often than not the exit point will be considerably larger than the entry point.

 

Subsonic ammunition has a tendency to dump the majority of its energy immediately upon impact, though that's not to say that it couldn't penetrate fully if it didn't hit anything substantial on impact, but it is more likely that the round wouldn't and would end up lodged somewhere internally.

 

Certain ammunition will fragment on impact and again cause a lot of damage effectively creating a number of different tracks making it very difficult to stem the bleeding

 

 

if this guy did what he says he did then good on him (drink driving aside) but if it's a load of boll***s then he's clearly a pathetic Walter Mitty f**kwit with issues, who needs to stop watching Van Damme and Segal movies and get a life.....or alternately, he could just wear body armour and helmet next time he goes out on the lash!

 

as much as i love CSI, im not basing my argument on that. im basing it from a program called trauma, where camera crews film live ER footage from US hospitals where gun shot wounds are quite common, most are done with small arms, IE: low caliber weapons and the odd .45 or .50 hand gun. also on what was taught to me from when i was the army about gun shot wounds.

 

I know fully well about the different types of ammo, and im sure this guy wasn't shot with NATO rounds. more like small caliber if anything due to it being a pistol unless someone had done some serious modifications to a hand gun (highly unlikely)

 

there was a few programs on channel 4 about a well known German doctor who does autopsies on humans in front of live audiences, he did a series in which he did live autopsies for channel 4 funnily enough. there is no way in hell, a bullet entering the lower abdominal wall and i quote the numpty on the lancer forum "it went in the front and out the back with out hitting any vital organs"

 

the lower intestines would of been the first thing encountered once it had past through the skin, through the stomach muscles and then carried on through the stomach lining (bit that ruptures or has the hole in that causes hemorrhoids) saying it had a clean path through with out tumbling and exited the rear, it still would of pushed a large amount of debris inside from his shirt / t-shirt what ever.

 

then as the guy stated, he magically past out from a stomach wound and awoke on the operating table with 8 doctors around him.

 

then woke after the op and in less than 36 hours of anesthetic got in a car and went shopping.

 

never known stomach pain to be that bearable to be honest.

 

There would be no way the hospital would let the guy leave after having major surgery like that to correct the damage that the bullet did. and not want to keep him in for further observations to make sure he doesnt get secondary bleeding / infection.

 

sorry i just dont buy it.

Edited July 20, 201114 yr by vodkashots

Yeah, he's just an attention seeking git, probably trying to hard for the lasses on that evo forum :lol:

Some more informed opinions on this site however reading through some of it there is a lot of questions to be answered that do make it sound like BS

 

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=19625495