Little bit of an issue here [N.IRELAND] with MOT and Speedo regulation.

 

Basically imports here have to be dual marked as in MPH and KMH, were in the UK you can MOT the car on single display and just put an MPH sticker over the KMH.

 

My problem is, I dont want to mess about with the OEM white dials in my Version S cars, so I was thinking of getting an older cluster to pop in there to get it through MOT and then put the original back in. Being its a 99 car, what year of used dash will work? I'm thinking 95? Or will an earlier AUTO dash work?

 

Also anyone got one that has the dual markings already on it?

My 93 SWB JDM was moted in January at Newtownards mot centre it was converted by Zedworld to mph clocks and at the mot centre the young examiner said it might have to be duel marked but on asking another examiner he said it was ok because of the year of the zed so it must be different for later models.Also my 92 LWB JDM has duel markings mph on the outside and kph on the inside.I know what you mean about not messing up the dials the best solution would be duel markings in a white dial but dont know if they can be supplied may be someone else would have an answer.

My 93 SWB JDM was moted in January at Newtownards mot centre it was converted by Zedworld to mph clocks and at the mot centre the young examiner said it might have to be duel marked but on asking another examiner he said it was ok because of the year of the zed so it must be different for later models.Also my 92 LWB JDM has duel markings mph on the outside and kph on the inside.I know what you mean about not messing up the dials the best solution would be duel markings in a white dial but dont know if they can be supplied may be someone else would have an answer.

 

Thanks for reply Gary, they seem to bit hit or miss on this and guess it depends on the examiner on the day, your luck to have got a pass that day on the dials as I have had earlier Z's too and they also had to be dual marked!! Infact not too long ago I had a 92 GTR and they told me at the MOT station it also had to be dual marked, so I would say you were just very lucky that day!

 

Anyway I dont want a new white dial as I'm not touching the OEM dials in the car, they would be too hard to match and infact the dials arn't exactly white, they are a light gold which I think would be even hard to do. All I'm after is a used complete speedo that has dual markings that will work ok with my model just to get it through the mot, then I'll pop the original dials back in.

the big change to the dials was at series 4 1995 when they went surface mount components and changed the connectors and made them not very compatable with previous ones

 

never having seen a 1999 spec i cant be shure, but i think theyre the same

 

i have a series 4 clocks set in the garage , i could take a photo of if you want

 

obviously all series 4 onwards are imports so wouldnt have come with the combined kph/mph dials so you would have to replace that if it hadnt already been done.

 

that said, i dont think acurate speedo is part of the test, so you could always buy any kph/mph dial facia off ebay, cut a slit in it and slide it over yours for teh mot

Thanks for info!

 

Can you send me some pics please? I can then have a look at the back of mine to see if the plug layout is the same.

 

the big change to the dials was at series 4 1995 when they went surface mount components and changed the connectors and made them not very compatable with previous ones

 

never having seen a 1999 spec i cant be shure, but i think theyre the same

 

i have a series 4 clocks set in the garage , i could take a photo of if you want

 

obviously all series 4 onwards are imports so wouldnt have come with the combined kph/mph dials so you would have to replace that if it hadnt already been done.

 

that said, i dont think acurate speedo is part of the test, so you could always buy any kph/mph dial facia off ebay, cut a slit in it and slide it over yours for teh mot

Series 4 NA clocks. 1995

Thanks for the photos Pete!

 

That gives me some idea on what to look for at the rear. I take it there is no difference between auto/manual dials?

Thanks for the photos Pete!

 

That gives me some idea on what to look for at the rear. I take it there is no difference between auto/manual dials?

 

Well I never noticed any difference on Ser1 dials auto to man NA so I guess not on later series either. I personally only have seen Man versions of this later type.

. I take it there is no difference between auto/manual dials?

 

yup thats what mine looks like. saves me working out how to get the photos from my phone to here

 

auto dials have a few extra lights like the O/D off light

yup thats what mine looks like. saves me working out how to get the photos from my phone to here

 

auto dials have a few extra lights like the O/D off light

 

O/D?? I dont think my auto has O/D?? Has power/hold though! But wouldnt care if they light up or not as it would be just to get it passed mot, plus the car will be transported over to the mot station and transported back, so the only distance it will drive is through the mot station.

mines an auto one if you wanted to check any differences

 

on the sewries 4 1995 to 1998 there is no boost gauge so na/tt should be the same. not sure how that would affect you if you have a 1999 TT

O/D?? I dont think my auto has O/D?? Has power/hold though! But wouldnt care if they light up or not as it would be just to get it passed mot, plus the car will be transported over to the mot station and transported back, so the only distance it will drive is through the mot station.

 

my 1995 auto had it. it was usually on, a switch on/near the gear nob switched it off and the light comes on

 

dont forget to wind the milage on each year . you dont want all your mots having the same milage

mines an auto one if you wanted to check any differences

 

on the series 4 1995 to 1998 there is no boost gauge so na/tt should be the same. not sure how that would affect you if you have a 1999 TT

 

I have 2 99 cars, One is N/A other TT. Seems they brought the turbo gauge back on late spec [well on Version S anyway] I wasnt planning on registering my TT yet, but decided tonite that I may as well get the MOT part out of the way and apply for the V5.

 

If I had one cluster that would work in both cars, that would be ideal. I guess things like the turbo gauge/certain light etc dont matter as usually all the mot people look at is, 1. Dual Marked, 2. no fault warning like brake/ABS etc and I think thats about it?

my 1995 auto had it. it was usually on, a switch on/near the gear nob switched it off and the light comes on

 

dont forget to wind the milage on each year . you dont want all your mots having the same milage

 

I think I'll go out a double check the O/D thing, as I never noticed it? although in saying that, I havent been in the car much lol

 

I was just going to take the OEM gauges with me and hopefully the MOT men would be understanding and put the original mile from those dials on?? Maybe thats asking a bit much from them?? lol

This whole thread is turning in to quite a learning experience... for all of us. Its difficult to get in to late car knowledge as they are fairly rare over here.

was wondering if the seris 4 clocks not having a turbo gauge, didnt have a conection for it. therefore if the series 5/6 brought back the turbo gauge then they might have had to change a connector to a bigger one

Ian your 100% right!! Does have O/D. I never even noticed the button before or the BIG LETTERING SAYING "OVER DRIVE" lol That my bad eyesight for you, should start spending money on laser surgery lol

 

So again, not bother either if O/D or the rest dont light up. All I need is a dual marked speedo that I guess, has the rev counter working, speedo and thats it really? If there are any other faults or lights that stay on I guess I could pull the bulbs.

 

This is such a pain in the ass, because although UK and N.I are supposed to be the same, our MOT guys will just not accept a single marked display.

..................This is such a pain in the ass, because although UK and N.I are supposed to be the same, our MOT guys will just not accept a single marked display.

 

That does seem daft - but then I guess you can cross the border in and out of the Republic at will; do they just work in kms in the South?

 

Can you add some kind of temporary alternative for the MOT; like wire in a GPS system measuring speed different to that which the dials do?

 

Just a thought....

 

Richard:oops:

Ian your 100% right!! Does have O/D. I never even noticed the button before or the BIG LETTERING SAYING "OVER DRIVE" lol That my bad eyesight for you, should start spending money on laser surgery lol

 

So again, not bother either if O/D or the rest dont light up. All I need is a dual marked speedo that I guess, has the rev counter working, speedo and thats it really? If there are any other faults or lights that stay on I guess I could pull the bulbs.

 

This is such a pain in the ass, because although UK and N.I are supposed to be the same, our MOT guys will just not accept a single marked display.

 

deffo a good plan. Just pull all the bulbs for warnings. No warning lights = no reasons to fail it:thumbup:

Cos its all working!!!!

That does seem daft - but then I guess you can cross the border in and out of the Republic at will; do they just work in kms in the South?

 

Can you add some kind of temporary alternative for the MOT; like wire in a GPS system measuring speed different to that which the dials do?

 

Just a thought....

 

Richard:oops:

 

In the south its KMH and they dont have a requirement for dual display. Amazing that such a small part of ireland [Northern Ireland] can enforce such a law! As far as I'm aware you cant add GPS or anything like that, has to be in the dial.

 

And this one will really make your mind boggle...............

 

If you buy a JDM import that is subject to SVA/IVA and the car passes on just a single display, then its acceptable in N.I with just a single display and will never need dual marked?? I mean, how can this be ok and the other not??

 

Also if I buy a JDM car in the UK that has an MOT and only a single display, then its fine here to drive and legal, its only up until I have to put a new MOT on the car in N.I that it will fail as again, its not dual display.

Flipping 'eck - talk about red tape and stupid rules......:surrender:

 

.....it's almost worth the cost of bringing the car over to England on a ferry and getting an MOT here, then driving it back.

 

Hang on a mo - that's not a bad idea!!

 

Richard:flowers:

Flipping 'eck - talk about red tape and stupid rules......:surrender:

 

.....it's almost worth the cost of bringing the car over to England on a ferry and getting an MOT here, then driving it back.

 

Hang on a mo - that's not a bad idea!!

 

Richard:flowers:

 

Yeah already though about doing that! Closest place to go would be somewhere around stranraer, but its still works out allot more expensive, the ferry alone be over £140, plus the fuel costs would take it above £200 then the mot cost.

 

I had a huge debate with the MOT head office here on why the SVA/IVA rule is fine and acceptable, but mot on single display is not...........................There was a huge silence on his end.............Then no solid answer lol....................Its a real joke to be honest.

 

My brother has a 996/911 and its not dual marked, but there is a option within the computer to flick the digital read out to show KMH and thats also fine.

Edited February 22, 201114 yr by Sudesh

Flipping 'eck - talk about red tape and stupid rules......:surrender:

 

.....it's almost worth the cost of bringing the car over to England on a ferry and getting an MOT here, then driving it back.

 

Hang on a mo - that's not a bad idea!!

 

Richard:flowers:

 

good idea Rich take it to Scotland and mot it

Ok a bit of an update.

 

I bought a late type series 4 ZX speedo that's in KMH. I'm just wondering is there anywhere that does a dual marked fascia that I can fit that reads to 180mph like the UK cars?

 

I seen this one which would do to get it passed MOT, but I thought if going this far it would be nice to fit the speedo with the correct dial. Also can someone point me in the right direction of fitting the speedo converter?

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310308078353&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1156

I think you'll have trouble to find real gold face dials to match which have kmh and mph because those cars were only ever available in Japan.

You can find white face aftermarket sets like this http://www.world4cars.com.au/Parts/Info/1981/White-faced-dials-Nissan-300zx-Z32 which you might be able to get overprinted with kph. But then they're not the original ones.

My first zed didn't have the electronic gizmo that changed km to m - just a dial-face change. My second Zed did have the speedo converter which Zedworld suppplied and fitted. It's not difficult, just I'm bone idle.

I think you'll have trouble to find real gold face dials to match which have kmh and mph because those cars were only ever available in Japan.

You can find white face aftermarket sets like this http://www.world4cars.com.au/Parts/Info/1981/White-faced-dials-Nissan-300zx-Z32 which you might be able to get overprinted with kph. But then they're not the original ones.

My first zed didn't have the electronic gizmo that changed km to m - just a dial-face change. My second Zed did have the speedo converter which Zedworld suppplied and fitted. It's not difficult, just I'm bone idle.

 

Hi,

 

Think you may have missed what I'm doing.

 

I have bought a set of series 4 dials [black fascia] that I need to add a dual display too. On these dials I just want the same standard black fascia only showing dual display, it would be nice if I could get the 180mph markings like the UK cluster, but its not a big deal, as I plan on installing the OEM gold cluster once the car passes MOT.