Right the zed need new fronts its shocking....

 

First if only doing the front should i go with GTR Brembos? Or still go EVO Brembos???

 

Also am i right that the GTR Brembo's are straight bolt on????

What disks are used with them???? standard or do they use larger ones???

 

With out sounding like a dumb ass.... there GTR R33 calipers???

 

Any extra help and advice like brake line changes or know issues let me know.

 

thanks

 

Antony

I bet i stop before you tho............ :w00t:

 

lol

I bet i stop before you tho............ :w00t:

 

lol

 

Im up for a challenge.....

 

my 1350kg Slicktop with R888 Slick tyres but Reconditioned Stock brakes VS your 1600kg 2+2 with whatver brakes you like and Regular road tyres

 

..confident ? lol

my 1350kg Slicktop with R888 Slick tyres but Reconditioned Stock brakes VS your 1600kg 2+2 with whatver brakes you like and Regular road tyres

From 60MPH of course :)

You can't brake harder than what the tyre will stick to the road. As soon as you break grip, you've lost brake efficiency. Plan and simple

Im up for a challenge.....

 

my 1350kg Slicktop with R888 Slick tyres but Reconditioned Stock brakes VS your 1600kg 2+2 with whatver brakes you like and Regular road tyres

 

..confident ? lol

 

1600kg..........I think not matey.

 

Why do i have to have regular road tyres?????? When you have not??

 

Is your car ready for the road? :glare:

 

(Students, dont you just love 'em)

 

:yawn: :tt1: :online2long:

 

Too much of this........ :offtopic:

Edited April 26, 201015 yr by AlanZ

1600kg..........I think not matey.

 

Why do i have to have regular road tyres?????? When you have not??

 

Is your car ready for the road? :glare:

 

(Students, dont you just love 'em)

 

:yawn: :tt1: :online2long:

 

Too much of this........ :offtopic:

more than 1600kg ? :tongue: ...I spy subwoofers

 

Coz you were going for the brakes and me the tyres, remember :p

 

Mine is technically ready for the road...but its currently different colours.

 

The latest planned deadline (there have been many missed deadlines) was for the big show season, but Z010 is only 10 days away :cry:

Edited April 26, 201015 yr by Yowser

more than 1600kg ? :tongue: ...I spy subwoofers

 

Coz you were going for the brakes and me the tyres, remember :p

 

Mine is technically ready for the road...but its currently different colours.

 

The latest planned deadline (there have been many missed deadlines) was for the big show season, but Z010 is only 10 days away :cry:

 

They are Gold Imperial subs, lightest in the category. :wink:

 

Technically ready.....or nearly ready :glare:

Off to bed now, Knackered, lol (hard day)

 

Al.

Went out for a spirited drive in the zed earlier this evening, down some country lanes upto around 70 mph ish, with some hard braking and hard acceleration, rinse and repeat around 6 or 7 times and the brakes were useless. Mine definately need an overhaul, pulled upto some lights around 30mph applied brakes in the normal fashion and nothing happened, when i pulled up and pressed the pedal there was this sort of cracking sound from the calipers, is this what happens when they over heat.

 

Yes all my brakes are old and tired and are getting renewed soon.

Right. First!! Thanks for the infor. So R33 brakes are the ones that are true bolt on and R24 are semi bolt on due to the bolt side.

 

What disks do i need? are the R33's disks the same pattern? Can you put R33 rears on?

 

Secondly, While on the debate. here is my 2pence worth... While the stock brakes may work when working well the truth is many fail, fade ETC and don't.

 

The first question is how many runing GTR's are experiencing poor braking?

 

Second point is that a larger rotor will always aid better braking. Tyres provide grip as said the brakes allow you to use the grip available to stop the car.

 

If you use a small rotor the feel and control is less allowing ease of locking the brakes under heavy braking as there is a finer line between locked and not.

The larger brakes gives you more control over that fine line allowing you to push the tyre limit more accuratly. This inturn helps stop you faster and reduces the likely hood of accidental lock.

 

The third point is this of heat. If thery run cooler then they will run better. too hot and you get fade.

 

As said new fluid and decent brake lines are a sensible option in all ways.

Yes R33 calipers are bolt straight on, you use GTR33 or 34 discs, 324mm ones. if you use a same size disc but for a different car, then the offsett wil be wrong, so order discs to suit 33/34.

Yes the R34's bolt on with a very minor mod and again same thing as regards discs.

As for the rear, am 99.9% certain yes the GTR33 bolt on also.

smithy

Yes R33 calipers are bolt straight on, you use GTR33 or 34 discs, 324mm ones. if you use a same size disc but for a different car, then the offsett wil be wrong, so order discs to suit 33/34.

Yes the R34's bolt on with a very minor mod and again same thing as regards discs.

As for the rear, am 99.9% certain yes the GTR33 bolt on also.

smithy

 

Is that on larger disks? or does it use the standard disks? If so is the handbrak assembly the same.

 

Thanks on the front. Ill start looking for some R33 gtr calipers.

Sorry we seem to have hijacked your thread a bit.

 

Is that on larger disks? or does it use the standard disks? If so is the handbrak assembly the same.

 

Thanks on the front. Ill start looking for some R33 gtr calipers.

 

Straigth bolt on front and rear. Handbrake mechanism is unaffected (Drum setup within rear hub enclosure)

 

You must use GTR discs, Disc bolt pattern is the same, as explained in my original post they are a larger diameter and width.

Edited April 27, 201015 yr by Yowser

Right. First!! Thanks for the infor. So R33 brakes are the ones that are true bolt on and R24 are semi bolt on due to the bolt side.

 

What disks do i need? are the R33's disks the same pattern? Can you put R33 rears on?

 

Secondly, While on the debate. here is my 2pence worth... While the stock brakes may work when working well the truth is many fail, fade ETC and don't.

 

The first question is how many runing GTR's are experiencing poor braking?

 

Second point is that a larger rotor will always aid better braking. Tyres provide grip as said the brakes allow you to use the grip available to stop the car.

 

If you use a small rotor the feel and control is less allowing ease of locking the brakes under heavy braking as there is a finer line between locked and not.

The larger brakes gives you more control over that fine line allowing you to push the tyre limit more accuratly. This inturn helps stop you faster and reduces the likely hood of accidental lock.

 

The third point is this of heat. If thery run cooler then they will run better. too hot and you get fade.

 

As said new fluid and decent brake lines are a sensible option in all ways.

Control at the point of locking is not really an issue as nearly all Z's run ABS which is designed around the stock brake setup. Fitting larger brake setups is known to affect the stock ABS, becuase the bias and Piston area to Master cylinder ratio becomes affected. The GTR setup is one of those that seems to be ok with the stock ABS.

 

Feel is one of the improvements I mentioned along with Fade. Fade from continous use is why for track use big brakes are important, but not so much for the road.

 

Another advantage to larger brake setups often include Weight savings from Lighter calipers and 2piece discs featuring Alloy bells. Unsprung weight savings are very beneficial in handling and ride.

 

The point is that its a common misception that the stock Z brakes are rubbish and fitting Bigger brakes, which is a relatively expensive upgrade, will reduce braking distance when thats not strictly true. Usually complaints are due to poor conditon brakes. The stock setup at this age often suffers with Sticking pistons and people rarely ever bother to flush and replace brake fluid.

Edited April 27, 201015 yr by Yowser

You should not be kicking in the ABS if your braking well enought. TBH the only benifit on the road from the bigger brakes are the larger rotors as they just give sooo much more feel and do allow an EASIER control over not kicking in the abs.

 

As much as the stock ones might do there job and work if right it seems to be alot of flaf to what might work/suit the driver.

 

I will be looking at the GTR route with stock non groved disks. This should sort the lot out. for 600-800 quid its not a bad price for something that seems to just work.

 

This is just my opinion and if the stock works for some then bonus.

 

Still Thanks for the replies this tells me ALL i need to change over. Im on the hunt....

I believe that the stock braking setup is more than sufficient for most peoples needs unless the car is being tracked.

 

Most people have not experienced the stock system at its best and aren't aware how good it can be if all the parts are working as they should.

 

That's so true......

 

......I drove the 11k (yes; eleven for those who never saw the original thread) mile 300zx that Phil now owns and I have to say the brakes on that are awesome!! My SLK has superb brakes like most modern German cars, but driving that "Collectors Z" back to back with it, I cannot describe how impressed I was with the way the ZX stopped.

 

Richard:online2long:

I will be looking at the GTR route with stock non groved disks. This should sort the lot out. for 600-800 quid its not a bad price for something that seems to just work.

 

 

Hi Behold,

 

Just thought I'd chime in with my 2p worth ;)

 

I am an official DBA (Disc Brakes Australia) re-seller. These discs are very highly regarded by Skyline owners both here and in Australia. I have sold a lot of these discs to 300ZX owners who are upgrading to R33 GTR calipers and all are extremely happy with the results (especially when used in conjunction with our Porterfield R-4S brake pads).

 

I can offer you the following discs which are R33 GTR caliper specific and bolt on directly onto the Z32 hub without modifications. It does however assume you have been able to obtain R33 GTR calipers.

 

DBA R33GTR 324x30mm Discs (front): £330.00 (pair)

DBA R33GTR 300x20mm Discs (rear): £330.00 (pair)

 

Shipping on the above is flat rate £17.69

 

Discs are usually available from stock. The 4000-series discs are DBA’s mid-series enhanced performance discs and feature Thermal Stability Profiling for improved heat handling, Thermo-Graphic paint markings for effective heat monitoring and Kangaroo Paw venitilation design for efficient braking. The 4000 discs have a unique 6x6 Wiper Slot design for extreme stopping power on road and track.

 

I can also supply stainless steel braided brake lines for the R33GTR Brembo calipers at a cost of £80.00. Porterfield R4-S Carbon-Kevlar brake pads are £115 (front) and £105 (rear).

 

Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you - depending on the order size I could work out a better deal for you.

 

Kind regards,

Hi Behold,

 

Just thought I'd chime in with my 2p worth ;)

 

I am an official DBA (Disc Brakes Australia) re-seller. These discs are very highly regarded by Skyline owners both here and in Australia. I have sold a lot of these discs to 300ZX owners who are upgrading to R33 GTR calipers and all are extremely happy with the results (especially when used in conjunction with our Porterfield R-4S brake pads).

 

I can offer you the following discs which are R33 GTR caliper specific and bolt on directly onto the Z32 hub without modifications. It does however assume you have been able to obtain R33 GTR calipers.

 

DBA R33GTR 324x30mm Discs (front): £330.00 (pair)

DBA R33GTR 300x20mm Discs (rear): £330.00 (pair)

 

Shipping on the above is flat rate £17.69

 

Discs are usually available from stock. The 4000-series discs are DBA’s mid-series enhanced performance discs and feature Thermal Stability Profiling for improved heat handling, Thermo-Graphic paint markings for effective heat monitoring and Kangaroo Paw venitilation design for efficient braking. The 4000 discs have a unique 6x6 Wiper Slot design for extreme stopping power on road and track.

 

I can also supply stainless steel braided brake lines for the R33GTR Brembo calipers at a cost of £80.00. Porterfield R4-S Carbon-Kevlar brake pads are £115 (front) and £105 (rear).

 

Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you - depending on the order size I could work out a better deal for you.

 

Kind regards,

r33gtr to complete converstion everything you need without fancy hoseis how much?