Just had my turbo timerr wired up and realised i cant arm my alarm until the car is switched off!!!!!! wtf ...........is there another way around this instead of removing either?

Help much appreciated

Nope... not unless you get an alarm with a built in Turbo timer.....

 

Many have had this problem, bestjust to get rid of the timer... and drive off boost for teh last few miles....

You can get Alarms wired up to work with a turbo timer, never looked into it myself as never used a Turbo Timer but I presume its to do with taking the power or sensor feed from the turbo timer output.

i know it was a option when i purchased my clifford ,but as i only have an n/a didnt look in to it much !

 

The company i bought from was Mtorguard uk based in the midlands (mobile eng)

 

hth

You can get Alarms wired up to work with a turbo timer, never looked into it myself as never used a Turbo Timer but I presume its to do with taking the power or sensor feed from the turbo timer output.

 

Do you know anyone who can do that?

please just be aware. if your insurance says the car needs a CAT1 alarm system fitted, then having the turbo timer fitted joined to the alarm invalidates the certificate, hence if you have a smash your insurance is invalid. theres only one thatcham approved CAT1 alarm on the market with turbo timer built in, and thats the CLIFFORD AVANTGUARD 5.5.

I've got a clifford 850 and was having the same problems with my turbo timer. I got in touch with my local clifford fitter and they were able to fix this problem using a diode (actually a bunch of diodes to deal with the current). The frustrating thing is that i'm an electronic engineer and was literally begging them to tell me where they were putting the diode, or at least give me a look at some circuit diagrams so i could see what was going on, but they were having none of it. It was fitted at the back of their garage which is separated from waiting area so i couldn't see what they were up to.

 

All they would tell me is that it was fitted in a way to stop the feed from the turbo timer going to the alarm so when the key is out the alarm things the engine is off even if it's being kept on by the turbo timer. I did try and have a closer look one day but it's installed all the way up behind the dash and i couldn't see it. My curiosity didn't extend to pulling out a working system to see what it was doing and possibly breaking it.

 

And it doesn't invalidate the Thatcham because there is no special inter-connecting of the units and it doesn't affect the functioning of the alarm unit. Also i'm pretty sure that the Thatcham cert is only an issue if your car is nicked, not if you have an accident.

 

Dave

I've got a clifford 850 and was having the same problems with my turbo timer. I got in touch with my local clifford fitter and they were able to fix this problem using a diode (actually a bunch of diodes to deal with the current). The frustrating thing is that i'm an electronic engineer and was literally begging them to tell me where they were putting the diode, or at least give me a look at some circuit diagrams so i could see what was going on, but they were having none of it. It was fitted at the back of their garage which is separated from waiting area so i couldn't see what they were up to.

 

All they would tell me is that it was fitted in a way to stop the feed from the turbo timer going to the alarm so when the key is out the alarm things the engine is off even if it's being kept on by the turbo timer. I did try and have a closer look one day but it's installed all the way up behind the dash and i couldn't see it. My curiosity didn't extend to pulling out a working system to see what it was doing and possibly breaking it.

 

And it doesn't invalidate the Thatcham because there is no special inter-connecting of the units and it doesn't affect the functioning of the alarm unit. Also i'm pretty sure that the Thatcham cert is only an issue if your car is nicked, not if you have an accident.

 

Dave

Thanks Dave

So do you think an auto electrician could wire it up for me in the same way? even though i have a sigma alarm?

Also i'm pretty sure that the Thatcham cert is only an issue if your car is nicked, not if you have an accident.

 

Dave

 

 

 

yes, i put the wrong thing down. lol. thats what you get with trying to type in 3 different boxes :D. but, trust me, if fitted incorrectly then the insurance has the right to refuse to pay out even in a smash. i am an approved installer so have seen it all. lol

Thanks Dave

So do you think an auto electrician could wire it up for me in the same way? even though i have a sigma alarm?

 

 

 

very easy to do using heavy duty diodes. they only allow a voltage to run one way, so it doesnt take much working out. they are used on most alarm installs now for the pin switches to stop feedback to another light.

I think you're best bet is to contact your local sigma fitter and see what he can do. An Auto electrician might be able to do it but the circuit diagrams for alarms seem to be harder to get than the Magna Carta and, like Mario says, there's more chance of voiding your Thatchams if you get a non-qualified fitter messing with it.

 

Dave

 

PS: Heavy duty diodes are normally more expensive than wiring 5 or 6 lower current diodes in parallel.

I think you're best bet is to contact your local sigma fitter and see what he can do. An Auto electrician might be able to do it but the circuit diagrams for alarms seem to be harder to get than the Magna Carta and, like Mario says, there's more chance of voiding your Thatchams if you get a non-qualified fitter messing with it.

 

Dave

 

PS: Heavy duty diodes are normally more expensive than wiring 5 or 6 lower current diodes in parallel.

 

TBH i never even heard of sigma till i bought the car as it was alreedy fitted, i dont even know where to start on trying to find a sigma dealer in my area lol

TBH i never even heard of sigma till i bought the car as it was alreedy fitted, i dont even know where to start on trying to find a sigma dealer in my area lol

 

 

sigma have been around for years. not the easiest of alarms to mess around with either as they are programmed using a sigma programmer that fits over the flashing led. autotek in sheffield are sigma dealers.

Im a Sigma dealer/engineer.

You can get Alarms wired up to work with a turbo timer, never looked into it myself as never used a Turbo Timer but I presume its to do with taking the power or sensor feed from the turbo timer output.

 

alarm wont activate if ign input shows +12v

Im a Sigma dealer/engineer.

 

And is this something you could do?:dance:

I've got a clifford 850 and was having the same problems with my turbo timer. I got in touch with my local clifford fitter and they were able to fix this problem using a diode (actually a bunch of diodes to deal with the current). The frustrating thing is that i'm an electronic engineer and was literally begging them to tell me where they were putting the diode, or at least give me a look at some circuit diagrams so i could see what was going on, but they were having none of it. It was fitted at the back of their garage which is separated from waiting area so i couldn't see what they were up to.

 

All they would tell me is that it was fitted in a way to stop the feed from the turbo timer going to the alarm so when the key is out the alarm things the engine is off even if it's being kept on by the turbo timer. I did try and have a closer look one day but it's installed all the way up behind the dash and i couldn't see it. My curiosity didn't extend to pulling out a working system to see what it was doing and possibly breaking it.

 

And it doesn't invalidate the Thatcham because there is no special inter-connecting of the units and it doesn't affect the functioning of the alarm unit. Also i'm pretty sure that the Thatcham cert is only an issue if your car is nicked, not if you have an accident.

 

Dave

 

on a clifford you just need to move the output from timer to the other side of ignition cut

on a clifford you just need to move the output from timer to the other side of ignition cut

 

This cant be done with sigma as it will only be cutting starter and fuel pump if fitted correctly. The sigma needs to see an ignition feed

This cant be done with sigma as it will only be cutting starter and fuel pump if fitted correctly. The sigma needs to see an ignition feed

 

Do you know of the best method to get around this then?

Do you know of the best method to get around this then?

 

Cant think of a cheap method at min

That's probably what the diodes were for. If you moved the output of the timer to the ignition side of the ignition cut then the diodes could be used to stop the feed from the turbo timer back feeding into the ignition cut and making the alarm think the ignition was still on.

 

With the Sigma maybe you could use a relay and a diode on the turbo timer output. The relay coil could be across the output of the turbo timer and ground and then after the relay the diode could be fitted to stop anything from back feeding to the relay. The contacts on the relay could be used to bridge the fuel pump cutoff while the relay was getting a signal from the turbo timer. When the timer switches off the relay would release the contacts and the fuel pump would be isolated again.

 

Dave

Cant think of a cheap method at min

 

Sat down and thought about it this morning and its quite easily done by running ign feed to alarm through a relay so yes i can sort out the problem:hyper:

Sat down and thought about it this morning and its quite easily done by running ign feed to alarm through a relay so yes i can sort out the problem:hyper:

 

Thanks for the advice i shall try and find a local sparkie and explain:nana2: