hi, thank for some quick replies, i will become a member on here when i get round to it. Whats i've got is a manual uk which has a seized bottom end so i've bought a running engine from a manually converted car with unknown turbos i.e auto or manual, and i.ve also bought a tt manual engine for spares which i will get running but at the moment it's out with my uk engine and in with the runner but if i need to transfer cams across from the uk engine i'd rather do it whilst the engine is out. Hope thats doesnt spin anyone out that reads it. Ta.