Looking at the price of diesel and the extra initial cost of buying a diesel car, are diesel cars now a non entity?

LOL companies will still have to buy diesel, trucks would be very expensive as a petrol.

 

but diesel cars are a no no for me anyway i love the smell of petrol. hahaha

Yes thats why I said car ;)

Yes thats why I said car ;)

 

i know i got it. i just wanted to also include an entitity that diesel in general would still have to be used in one way or another meaning the government have the country over a barrel excuse the pun;)

people are still hearding towards thinking diesel is the cheaper option, in most cases its only a few hundred quid saved over 3 years, i definately would never buy diesel too noisey and horrible to drive.

I think diesel cars will still remain the choice for company fleets / company car drivers for the forseeable future.

 

The lower quoted emissions means that company car income tax on diesels is much lower than their petrol equivalents. The drivers do not have to pay for their fuel so at present will not care about the higher cost of diesel.

 

Perversely I reckon this is why diesel is more expensive now - aren't around 50% of new cars sold diesel now - mainly due to company fleets?

 

Hence this robbing b@stard government has kept the tax higher on diesel despite the recent decrease in the actual price of diesel; simply to earn more revenue from the increased sales of the dirty black fuel.......:x:

 

Richard:(

Yep people are going to have to think long and hard before choosing between petrol and diesel..It aint any cheaper now to run a diesel but for me I have one and the next daily driver will be a diesel purely because I use it to tow a caravan and the torque available from a diesel beats a similar sized petrol engine hands down and makes for a far more relaxed and economical drive.

 

for a drivers car though you cant beat petrol, thats what the Z is for.

Nice little calculator : http://info.themgroup.co.uk/common/calculators/fuel_cost.html

I recon some performance diesel engines are better than some petrol ones these days. Massive low down torque.

 

I'd love a BMW 335d touring (family man these days!) but I couldn't anything like afford one.

 

And I'm not selling my Zed anyway. Ever. :dance:

diesels are still cheaper....buy cooking oil

Ive never been a fan of oil burners, another thing to add to the equation is that the service inreval on them is normally alot more frequent than a petrol which often cancels out the mere savings.

 

Parts are also dearer like a petrol battery for a mondeo about 45 quid diesel is about 60 quid.

Ive never been a fan of oil burners, another thing to add to the equation is that the service inreval on them is normally alot more frequent than a petrol which often cancels out the mere savings.

 

Parts are also dearer like a petrol battery for a mondeo about 45 quid diesel is about 60 quid.

 

I thought diesels were serviced less regularly than petrols?

 

My daily drive is a vectra diesel and its recommended to be serviced every 20,000 miles or 2 years, whichever comes first. I never leave it anywhere near that long but the petrol versions need servicing much more frequently than that.

TBH all this chat from diesel owners about torque being king on the road......

 

.......b0ll0x!!

 

I am driving a new Merc E320 CDi whilst my SLK is being fixed. Now it's a nice car - 230-ish BHP and tons of torque but can it compare to my 300zx or SLK350?

 

Can it feck!! OK it's a nice smooth power delivery but there's no "kick" or "head thrown into the head rest" I get with my own cars. Torque may be good for acceleration but torque is really best only when matched with an equally high BHP figure! I have to plan overtaking much more in advance than I would with my own cars too...........:rolleyes:

 

I tried it flat out from a standing start on an up hill stretch of track I know well; both the ZX and SLK can hit 120 by the apex no problem whilst the E320 managed a dismal 90-ish:p

 

Plus on a round trip to Dorset this weekend it only averaged 34mpg; I'd still have got 30mpg from my SLK 3.5 litre petrol (the ZX would have been much worse though - but more fun).

 

No, I'll stick with petrol thank you very much:bow:

 

Richard:cool:

According to that little calculator on the 30000 miles plus i do a year it'd save nearly 2000 quid moving to diesel from my Scorpio. Getting to the point where i really need to change to a diesel its so expensive to commute

people are still hearding towards thinking diesel is the cheaper option, in most cases its only a few hundred quid saved over 3 years, i definately would never buy diesel too noisey and horrible to drive.

 

You might change your mind if you get out in one of Audi's new A5's. Mate at work has one and sounds like a diesel for about 5 seconds - then, silence. Just like a petrol (almost) at tick over. Goes very well too - it's got about 280bhp I think. Chap reckons he got it to 175 on the way back from Austria where his folks live.

 

Si.

Hi,

I recently changed to diesel for the daily driver, just before the price shot up!....My 2.0 Diesel Citroen averages about 52mpg, whereas my previous 1.6 petrol car struggled to about 34mpg!

I was put off diesels years ago when I had an Astra diesel company car which was painfully slow and noisy too!

The more modern TDi/HDi engines are much better though and I find it takes about a week to adjust your driving style, so that you're not trying to rev the engine too much like a petrol engine, but change gear earlier and ride the wave of torque available...It does make it more relaxing to drive and relatively deceptively quick too!

Cheerz,

Jez.

Looking at the price of diesel and the extra initial cost of buying a diesel car, are diesel cars now a non entity?

 

Strangely enough I was thinking about this on the way to work.

 

My work car is a Vectra 2.0 petrol turbo. Currently it's averaging 33 mpg.

My mate has a vestra estate 1.9 CDTI, averaging 47 mpg.

Sounds good doesn't it....however:

 

1 gallon of petol is currently £5.50 give or take

1 galon of deisal is £6.50 give or take

 

Diesal being 20p or more extra per litre.

 

Petrol works out at about 16.6 pence per mile (ppm).

Diesel works out at 13.8 ppm

 

but the diesel car costs more. Based on £800 extra for a diesel, it works out that over 1 year and 12K miles petrol will cost you - £1992 per year fuel

diesel - £1656 per year fuel

 

Saving £336 per year in year 1 (at present), but still you'll be £464 worse of due to the extra cost of the car.

 

based on these figures, is diesel worth it anymore..... I don't think so...until at least the R8 Diesel comes out....then I may do a uturn.

 

Regards

Hi,

When you're buying a used car, the difference in initial purchase price isn't much different, but you do save on your daily running costs...I was initially saving about £10 per week on fuel, although this has become less recently...plus the annual road tax is usually lower for the diesel car, based on co2 emissions.

If you only keep your car for 12 months and do a low mileage then the purchase cost will have more of an effect.I usually keep my family car for 3-4 years and do a higher than average mileage, so over 3-4 years this makes a difference.When I bought my car recently they had several petrol and diesel models all at the same price, give or take a few £s, my diesel model actually had the lowest mileage too!

If I can save £500 a year running my daily car, then that's £500 more I can spend on my ZX!;)

Jez.

Edited June 30, 200817 yr by JEZ300Z

I've got a slightly older (2002) 330d touring, torque 350ft/lb, 214bhp and it does go pretty well. 41mpg and service interval of 15,000m. It's now done 119,000 miles and is in pretty good nick. It does have a tendancy to eat rear tyres, but I suspect that's mainly my fault. It is literally worlds apart from my old Xantia 1.9td though, but I do miss the Citroen suspension, the Beamer is rock hard due to it being the sport model.

my range rover only gets 24mpg and i can get that from my zed on a run so im fitting a tow bar to my zed LOL

people are still hearding towards thinking diesel is the cheaper option, in most cases its only a few hundred quid saved over 3 years, i definately would never buy diesel too noisey and horrible to drive.

 

You have obviously not driven a modern diesel with the sound of it. When people jump in my Laguna one of the things they ask is 'is this a diesel'. It is so quiet and with the 6 speed box pretty nifty too.