Hi Guys,i replied to a very serious accusation against the Z Centre on a thread on the forum which was 8 pages long on christmas eve and has now been removed.

I used ceejays membership for the replay as i was unaware i was still a registered member of the forum.

There must have been a glitch with the forum website because soon after I posted my reply even though the accusation had been running for 8 pages the thread is no more.

Out of fairness to the accused I have added my reply below so members have sufficient time to read my reply.

Hopefully there won't be more glitches with the forum website.

Regards Luke Borg

Z Centre.

 

Hi guys,I thought i would let this thread get very long before i replied so all the new members of the forum were aware of my website.

The twinz contacted every trader they could think of on the forum and also off the forum to be a uk distributor but without success.

Out of desperation they emailed me on the 16th Oct 2006 to see if i wanted to be a uk distributor even though they had slagged me off on the forum saying my viper front bumper on my car is the same as their photoshop picture.

I replied as I new there were lots of you guys on the forum wanting this bumper and i have attached this email and the replies at the end of this message.

As you can see they wanted a ridiculous amount of money ($3700 dollars) for one bumper and one set of moulds and they also wanted $200 dollars for every bumper sold after the first 15.

I did not reply to this as it was a total unrealistic business proposition and that’s why they had been turned down by all the other forum/non forum traders.

Let’s move forward nearly 1 year and I was contacted by someone in the uk who had bought a twinz bumper via the usa.

He showed me the twinz bumper he bought via the USA and because the quality was absolutely shite he had a new mould made with some changes and the quality is now excellent. He offered to supply to me these top quality bumpers if I wanted to sell them on my website. As I can supply the lights for the bumper and the quality is excellent and I knew it would be popular item on the forum, so I agreed.

He also supplied me the picture of the white car which I have now removed from my website because I noticed some z owners on the thread were getting so upset I didn't want them to start crying.

I did NOT buy (or through a third party) a twinz bumper from them or from the USA or from anywhere else in the world. I am selling these Cobra bumpers on my website as they are supplied to me.

There are other traders/individuals who supply me their body styling parts as well that are also on my website ( for example cobra wide rear arches, vapour body kit etc).

If the parts are of a good quality and at a good price I would be stupid to say no.

I am just glad that I and none of the other traders sent $3700 dollars to Peru for a load of old shite.

The twinz never contacted me when the cobra bumper went on my website on the 6th Dec 2007 but instead started a thread on the forum slagging me off (even though I believe they are not forum members and I am not a forum member).

The forum moderators should have lifted this thread or at least until they had contacted the Z Centre to hear the other side of the story but instead joined in with slagging.This forum should be run in a professional manner like the Z Club where I am a trader.

I have been a Z Specialist for 25 years and many of MY parts (my designs) have been copied and sold on many eBays and in many other countries but I don't go crying on some overseas forum because I live in the real world and know nothing can be done about it.

As there are more important things in this world other than a 300zx front bumper and it is the time for goodwill to all men (even viniboy) I will say merry Christmas and a prosperous new year to all z owners.

 

Regards Luke.

Z Centre.

 

Hello Luke,

You are right about the amateur traders, that make us a little worried, since we are looking for a sole distributor in Europe of the fascias and future products we are developing right now (the current front fascia and a new concept rear bumper).

We got the costs of the fascias and freight to UK, but it's too expensive due to the freight and taxes for all the fascias and the trip to UK takes 45 days to arrive to the port.

Since we know you have experience in the production of bumpers in fiberglass material, we want to propose you to take care of the production and sales of our products. We'll be sending you a demo fascia and nose panel with their respectives main molds (the bumper includes the nose panel as a kit, since it's different from stock), so you can offer a better price and attend faster to the customers.

If we are going to do this, we'll have to make a legally binding contract, where it mentions that we are sending a kit (front bumper and nose panel) and the matriz (molds of bumper and nose panel), and you'll have to make an initial payment of US$3700, which includes the product delivered by air (5-7 days to ship) to the airport closer to your location and the 15 first fascias sold. Then, from the 16th sell to up, you'll have to make a deposit into our account of US$200 for each.

We already estimated that the first 15 sells are going to be on an initial group buy on 300zx.co.uk forum. We also estimate around 40 sales considering orders from other countries in Europe (we had 9 orders from Germany, 3 from Australia, and a few others from Hungary, Italy, Spain and others…We couldn't do this sales back in the day and we haven't advertise them on those countries yet, so they were some random customers)...If we start making publicity of the products in other countries, this could be a mayor project with a considerable profit for both.

We can negociate the intial payment, depending on the interested buyers you could get on a group buy ad posted on 300zx.co.uk forum. This could affect the intial payment for a bigger or lower amount.

If you need info about us, you could contact Charles Park of PowerTrix.com that is our sole distributor in the U.S. to his email address: cpark@powertrix.com

Let us know if you are interested in working with us.

Best regards,

Efrain & Victor Tisoc

TheTwinZ Customs

On 10/16/06, Luke Borg wrote:

Hi,yes i would be interested in SOLE distributor for uk and europe.How do you propose we do this?

Await details including cost and shipping costs.

If i am the sole distibutor for uk and europe then ALL sales for your bumper including all sales from 300zx.co.uk are to be processed through me.There are too many amature traders on 300zx .co.uk who make a quick buck and then the company goes bust.

Hear from you soon.

Regards Luke.

Z Centre.

----- Original Message -----

From: TheTwinZ Customs

To: sales@zcentre.co.uk ; admin@zcentre.co.uk

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:01 PM

Subject: TheTwinZ Fascia

Hello,

You must have heard about our front fascia. There are many interested buyers in the 300zx.co.uk forum and we've been trying to look for a distributor in Europe since we had many orders in different countries that we couldn't make the sales back in the day until this opportunity.

We have 5 interested distributor, but none of them is specialized on body parts and they are taking forever to see the way to start this and our buyers are getting tired of waiting, so we are still looking for a distributor. Please, let us know if you are interested in working with us.

Check the link for pics of our fascia...

http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg.aspx?forum=general&msg_id=1790752

You can get info about the fascia by asking on 300zx.co.uk...There are a lot of member waiting months to get the fascia.

Best regards,

Efrain & Victor Tisoc

TheTwinZ Customs

Err I removed it to avoid more slagging :confused:

 

and as per your quote........

 

 

The forum moderators should have lifted this thread or at least until they had contacted the Z Centre to hear the other side of the story but instead joined in with slagging.This forum should be run in a professional manner like the Z Club where I am a trader.

 

oh and it was only removed this evening, not as soon as you replied (on Christmas eve)

Err I removed it to avoid more slagging :confused:

 

and as per your quote........

 

 

 

 

oh and it was only removed this evening, not as soon as you replied (on Christmas eve)

 

Well in that case if it was on for upto 2 days and 1 of those days was Christmas Day then that was insufficient time for my reply to be seen by the forum members who had seen the 8 pages of the accusation thread.

That is why out of fairness to the accused I have added my reply again so members have sufficient time to read my reply.

can i close it to avoid any replies/slagging so people can at least see your side of the story?

Err I removed it to avoid more slagging :confused:

 

and as per your quote........

 

 

 

 

oh and it was only removed this evening, not as soon as you replied (on Christmas eve)

 

You also let the slagging which was directed to me go on for 8 pages.It is only fair that this reply should also go on for upto 8 pages.

can i close it to avoid any replies/slagging so people can at least see your side of the story?

 

If you close this thread then members can't read my side of the story.

It should be left running for 8 pages so members can make a fair judgment to the accusation.

You also let the slagging which was directed to me go on for 8 pages.It is only fair that this reply should also go on for upto 8 pages.

Luke in fairness not everyone was slagging you off?, some people myself included were being impartial and others commented that there are 2 sides to the story...

thing is if you seen it and was that bothered about the comments you would have replied and asked for the thread to be removed, you played it clever and wanted the advertising on ths site that you dont subscribe to anymore, soon as this gets akward or turns into a slanging match then it will be gone

 

i was first to reply to the thread stating that they had offered all and sundry the rights to be sole trader, i could have gotten into an argument with hi m but as most of our comittee and mods we have bee away from the pc's and laptops as it is christmass, but nopw we are back the thread was removed and this one will aswell if it turns nasty

 

all the best your friendly mod

 

Allan

Luke in fairness not everyone was slagging you off?, some people myself included were being impartial and others commented that there are 2 sides to the story...

 

Thats good.Maybe if more members had been impartial and had time to read my reply then they would have been able to make an unbiased fair comment but instead there was a lot of biased unfair comments.

The twinz comments were slander and should not have been posted without contacting the accused Z Centre first.

Thats good.Maybe if more members had been impartial and had time to read my reply then they would have been able to make an unbiased fair comment but instead there was a lot of biased unfair comments.

The twinz comments were slander and should not have been posted without contacting the accused Z Centre first.

but you seen the thread earlier and said nothing, you chose to leave it get as long as you did so you could get free advertising, unfortunately people do jump to conclusions when their is only one side to a story told

thing is if you seen it and was that bothered about the comments you would have replied and asked for the thread to be removed, you played it clever and wanted the advertising on ths site that you dont subscribe to anymore, soon as this gets akward or turns into a slanging match then it will be gone

 

i was first to reply to the thread stating that they had offered all and sundry the rights to be sole trader, i could have gotten into an argument with hi m but as most of our comittee and mods we have bee away from the pc's and laptops as it is christmass, but nopw we are back the thread was removed and this one will aswell if it turns nasty

 

all the best your friendly mod

 

Allan

 

 

If it turns nasty then that is because the members of the forum can now give a fair comment to the accusation and it should run as long as the 8 pages of mostly nasty comments on the original thread.

but i say again, you stated you seen it and let it go on before replying, you should have contacted a mod or comitee member with your concerns instead of using it for advertising, so this theory of letting it run 8 pages holds no grounds

but you seen the thread earlier and said nothing, you chose to leave it get as long as you did so you could get free advertising, unfortunately people do jump to conclusions when their is only one side to a story told

 

Most people have more importatant things to do 1 or 2 days before xmas then sit on the computer waiting for a new thread on the forum.

 

I have now more important things to do (its called going away with the wife + kids) so I will have to see how long this thread lasts without me for a few days.

cdan I just say merry xmas luke, and have a great trip

 

know its off topic.

I would like to say that if there was any objection to what was said by Twinz then it should have been raised as soon as possible.

 

To Stellaz: maybe Luke was just watching to see the kind of reaction there was to the product (I like to see the good in people)

 

From what I have seen over the last couple of years, Luke has good standing within the Zed comunity and I for one don't think he should be slated for selling something that looks like anothers product.

 

To Luke: I still don't think you should have used the twinz pic,but hey what ever, have a nice holiday mate.

Hi,

The thread was still available to read this morning, as I had a quick look at this site and the Z Club site after breakfast!

Must say I was suprised the thread wasn't pulled earlier, as it had gotten out of hand and some of the comments were quite outrageous!

I know that we would have moved it into the admin section over on the Z Club site quite early on.

Cheerz,

Jez.

...well only 7 pages to go and Luke will be happy(er)

I really dont think any damage has been done Luke. Like I said in my reply on that thread "IF ITS TRUE"? Then you were out of order. Seeing as it waasnt and you were (As I would have imagined) up front and honest then job done mate. None of this will have any lasting effect on you. I would put a pound on a penny that you will recieve some requests for the bumper in good time? :)

no such thing as bad publicity as they say ;)

no such thing as bad publicity as they say ;)

 

 

I bet

 

 

would beg to differ!

"Truth usually lies somewhere between two opinions". ;)

"Truth usually lies somewhere between two opinions". ;)

well said Graham :bow:

strange one, I really dont know what to think on this one, there are two sides , one in which the twinz have tried to portray you badly and the other where you have made a decision to take part in the theft of other peoples designs ( note i say take part , whilst you dont make these items you surely know where the original design comes from), your justification for this is that it has happened to you many times?, am i supposed to differentiate between the greater of two wrongs...sorry I cant.

Can i just say that this hasnt put me off using Luke at all, he has always been a great trader to me, very helpful and i wish him all the best with the zcentre.

Can i just say that this hasnt put me off using Luke at all, he has always been a great trader to me, very helpful and i wish him all the best with the zcentre.

 

Here here i'll drink to that :duffer:

 

I know other traders on here have looked into dealing with the Twinz, and have also said they wanted too much money as Luke stated, so maybe if the Twinz had'nt made it so difficult in the first place all this could of been avoided?

Agree with you retro, i cant see any justification for selling items, where the design was blatently stolen from sombody elses hard work.