Well the protests have finally come!

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17309

 

They all have my support, and i completely agree with the comments page that it shouldnt be just truckers protesting, car enthusiasts should as well!

 

Lets hope it has the desired effect, my local garage is now 111.9pl for diesel!!!!!!!

They should do it in the week, block off the M1, M6 and Dover and Folkstone.

 

Make the ****as send the army in

be nice to see everyone just refuse to use there motors for 2 or 3 days in a row. business or private. when nothing gets done and no money passes at the fuel stations for 3 days then the goverment will listen cos it would cost the economy too much not to. I would be more than happy to do that.

Waste of time, the only people this will impact on will be us!

 

Do you really think Brown will give a toss if the M1 or M25 is brough to a standstill? Like fook he will.

 

And not using cars for 2 or 3 days. Again the only people this will screw up is us again. Brown knows that at the end of the year when he gets to count his pennys these 2 or three days wont notise at all.

Waste of time, the only people this will impact on will be us!

 

Do you really think Brown will give a toss if the M1 or M25 is brough to a standstill? Like fook he will.

 

And not using cars for 2 or 3 days. Again the only people this will screw up is us again. Brown knows that at the end of the year when he gets to count his pennys these 2 or three days wont notise at all.

I agree totally. I remember the last protests, they achieved nothing! :nono:

Plus the government need this cash, so its not like they are going to drop the cost of motering and not raise it elsewhere. Either way you WILL end up paying the same ammount cos they will have to raise taxes on something else to cover it.

Since when did we all become a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!! Looks like the roles have reversed between us and the french!

 

So what if it might not give the desired effect. At the very least were making our feelings known! I cant belive that so many people are willing to just roll over and accept that the goverment are raping us right up the chuffer!

 

I would have no problem in having high fuel prices and road tax if we had acceptionally good roads like on the continent. But we dont! Nor do we have a acceptable NHS, infact ANY public service, or a decent public transport service. Infact I cant think of ANY service that is government run that comes close to being successful.

 

We ALL know where the money is going, we ALL know its supporting the oxygen theifs and ILLEGAL immigrants in this country. And WHAT EXACTLY is the Government doing about it???????? **** ALL!!!!!!!

 

It enrages me that people are so willing to roll over and except it, or let someone else do something about it!

Since when did we all become a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!! Looks like the roles have reversed between us and the french!

 

So what if it might not give the desired effect. At the very least were making our feelings known! I cant belive that so many people are willing to just roll over and accept that the goverment are raping us right up the chuffer!

 

I would have no problem in having high fuel prices and road tax if we had acceptionally good roads like on the continent. But we dont! Nor do we have a acceptable NHS, infact ANY public service, or a decent public transport service. Infact I cant think of ANY service that is government run that comes close to being successful.

 

We ALL know where the money is going, we ALL know its supporting the oxygen theifs and ILLEGAL immigrants in this country. And WHAT EXACTLY is the Government doing about it???????? **** ALL!!!!!!!

 

It enrages me that people are so willing to roll over and except it, or let someone else do something about it!

 

Ah so your saying you want all these better roads, hospitals, schools etc etc etc.

 

BUT

 

Your not willing to pay for them by paying tax's? In the grand sceme of things Imagrents dont cost the coutry that much money. Now I hate the sponging *******s as much as the next person but if you really think thats where all your money is being spent your delusional.

Im sure i just said "I would have no problem in having high fuel prices and road tax if we had acceptionally good roads like on the continent"

 

So its not going on say people like that lady in the paper not too long ago, who has 7 kids, all different dads, no income who lives in a 5 Bed detached house in a nice area and makes £2.5k a month in benefits???? or the ILLEGAL immigrants who are sending theyre benefits back to theyre home contry??? Or spanking ridiculous amounts of money of a national staduim that the people around the world can build 3 stadiums for. Or another example that the Met police pay 8x retail price for printer paper because they have to use a Government approved supplier??

 

So where is it going, please enlighten me??? The FACT is if OUR government was run like any Multi National company in the way it spends money, IT WOULD HAVE GONE BUST YEARS AGO!!!

 

And who funds these stupid spending spree's?

Well you really have just proved you are delusional. What you have just said there will maybe quote for 2% of government spending per year, maybe.

 

And as for our roads being so bad have you actually driven on the continent, the roads other than motorways are aweful!!! You do know the reason why citreon's etc have such good soft ride is because the roads over there are so poor.

 

As I have already said, the government needs X ammount each year in Tax. If you drop tax on one thing you have to raise it on another to generate the same revinue, so even if you do get fuel costs dropped you will be hit somewhere else. FACT!

 

You people who want to live in a tax free perfect eco-state do make me laugh

Well you really have just proved you are delusional. What you have just said there will maybe quote for 2% of government spending per year, maybe.

 

How exactly am i being delusional? If ive just listed only 2% of government spending, then thats 2% that being contiually badly spent. The examples i have given are that of cases I have personal experience of (ok maybe the newpaper example is a well publicised one, but i have come across other examples) I have met people who are sending theyre benefits abroad, I work within an organisation that is forced to use suppliers even though theyre not the cheapest, I have to watch ILLEGAL immigrants walk free after being arrested for being overstayers for them to be told to go to some office in birmingham to register as immigrants and miraculously dissappear

 

And as for our roads being so bad have you actually driven on the continent, the roads other than motorways are aweful!!! You do know the reason why citreon's etc have such good soft ride is because the roads over there are so poor.

 

I drive on the continent all the time, and the country roads are no worse than they are here. The motorways and city centre roads are much better

 

As I have already said, the government needs X ammount each year in Tax. If you drop tax on one thing you have to raise it on another to generate the same revinue, so even if you do get fuel costs dropped you will be hit somewhere else. FACT!

 

You people who want to live in a tax free perfect eco-state do make me laugh

 

And as ive said, its a well documented fact that the government spends BADLY! Im not saying that the money doesnt need to be spent, that would just be DELOUSIONAL, but if the time was spent on looking for better suppliers, it would save millions of pounds a year. I know large numbers of people who work within the goverment/MOD/external subcontractors, and they all say the same thing, that they know that they could get various supplies cheaper and of better quality if they were allowed to do what anyother major company does and search the market, but there hands are tied.

 

And i no point did i say anything about living in a tax free nation. If the money we spent on tax's was spent on what its apparently ment to be spent on, then there would be alot less reasons to protest and complain!

So back to the start of this thread you want us to protest against TAX prices on fuel. Yet now at the bottom your saying you want to protest against badly spent TAX's? Which is it??

Surely theyre one in the same? Other nations can do it so why cant we?

Government is the UK is a money pit. We can't do anything about this until an election (and the alternatives may not be any better) but we can take direct action against the rising (and largely unnecessary) tax hikes.

 

The root of the problem is piss poor administration and waste. Standing outside your local town hall with a placard is not going to acheive anything. Gordon Brown might not give a toss if the M1 is blocked, but alot of other people will and these are his potential voters. He will care about that ;)

 

I'm not a big fan of the French, but at least they take decisive, organised action which has the desired results on the whole...

 

Steve :)

54 BILION yes BILLION ponds a year collected from road users each year and how much put back in? 12 BILLION.

 

44 BILION pounds a year missing, not spent on the roads so where, stupid projects that cost 10 times more than they should.

 

Did you know your tax money is even sent to India to build schools.

 

Nickz32 I'm with you

 

takemetothepub your the dissalusioned one

 

takemetothepub your the dissalusioned one

 

 

Oh well lets see where you protests get you this time round then eh ;) :D

Oh well lets see where you protests get you this time round then eh ;) :D

 

Your right they wont go anywhere because there are too many people in this god forsaken country that say, "well the money has to come from somewhere"

well it does but if it was spent in a better way then we would have lower fuel prices and less stealth taxes, your NI contibutions would be better spent.

 

As Nickz32 says why should the police pay premium prices because some idiot is takeing back handers

 

The government are willing to throw 50billion at northern rock but can't spend 30 million on the police force to give them a decent pay rise.

 

We have nearly twice the civil servants that the USA have and a fifth of the polulation, all these government bodies are takeing a cut out of your pocket.

 

Power to the people?

 

The only power is going to the ruling minority and the people are paying for it.

if it was spent in a better way then we would have lower fuel prices and less stealth taxes, your NI contibutions would be better spent.

 

 

So once again what is it you want? People to fight for better spent taxes or a protest for lower fuel taxes?

 

Cos to me it sounds like the first, which would be worth fighting for IMHO.

 

But thats not what this thead is about is it, its about supporting a pointless fuel tax cut protest.

Im all for a well behaved protest.

 

Its all ok saying "Mr Brown will not give a ****"

 

Your right and whys that? because as with anything as a group of people the British do not persue, at the first hurdle we give up and call it "pointless"

 

If the M1 was shut everyday and no supplies, food, services were getting to the public, he would have to bloody care and do something about it then!!

 

If at first you do not succeed, pick yourself up and try again.

 

One single protest will have no impact but a succession of people refusing to budge until their voice is heard, might just work!

So once again what is it you want? People to fight for better spent taxes or a protest for lower fuel taxes?

 

Cos to me it sounds like the first, which would be worth fighting for IMHO.

 

But thats not what this thead is about is it, its about supporting a pointless fuel tax cut protest.

 

It kinda goes hand in hand

 

If you stop smokeing then you can potentialy save a lot of money each week, but you don't want to so you buy cheaper fags and that allows you to spend your budget in other places better, as an individual you budget and control your money because you have to.

 

The government don't budget they just take more from the tax payer.

 

Now petrol prices are possibly the easyest and most visual tax to complain about, we all need it, so to make a stand against taxes you pick the most visual, just the same as when the government needs more money they put tax up on the easy targets like fuel beer and smokes, now we don't complain about beer and fags too much because we have a choice as not to buy them, but we all need petrol to get to work and pay our taxes.

 

So to answer your question, yes I want fuel taxes to drop, yes i want the government to manage our taxes better so they don't have to put up taxes so often and we as a population can afford to live life and enjoy ourselves because we have more money in our pocket to spend in shops and pubs and that then boosts the economy thus allowing the government to collect more tax as VAT.

 

And no the protest is not pointless, it shows the government that the populus is unhappy and willing to stand against them, i:e next election, and boot them out

I agree with the protests but they will need to protest for more than one single day to have an affect! I.e. a complete week or longer would have more affect and blocking motorways , access to airports and ports would have a higher success rate!

surely the point is that the government takes a certain set percentage cut from every litre of petrol that is pumped in this country. This value is pretty high (more than 30%???) and is set by the chancellor in his budget. The ethos behind increasing the percentage amount of tax on road fuel is to try and dissuaed people from driving (eco-warriers and safety busy bodies) and get them to take public transport. Although probably statistically effective it has never seemed a good enough solution to a problem by the government to keep increasing the tax to stop people doing something (cigarettes, alcohol, etc) as it just pushes people into pauperdom by not addressing the issue or offering quality alternatives.

 

anyway, back to the point.....

 

The issue is that the gov't take a percentage of petrol cost and is therefore making a killing out of the rising international oil price and is raking in more money than it would of budgetted on getting. This money cannot be already be budgeted on NHS, schools, etc so if it was cut another tax wouldnt have to go up but conversely it is swelling gov't coffers for future projects that it wont have to up taxes to fund in the future (but how many of you truely believe that wont get glossed over when they up taxes again).

 

The solution would be for the gov't to set a specific amount of tax that would be payable on each litre of fuel (say 50p as an arbitary number) at each budget so any fluctuations in the oil price wont have as great of a price impact of the price of petrol at the pumps that the consumer pays. Less big magnitude changes in the price at the pumps caused by this arbitary amount being taken will mean the oil demand price will stay more consistent and let the supply and demand curve settle out.

 

Everyone is a winner, the gov't gets a certain amount of revenue from car fuel based on the annual amount of litre of fuel bought times the tax amount (eg 50p) which will be a pretty reliable prediction as fuel sales will stay pretty constant if the price doesnt fluctuate as much with this new buffered system, the consumer benefits from lower price on fuel they buy and see the same level of govt spending, oil companies will benefit as their pricing becomes clearer (Xp govt levy (constant) + Xp profit (constant and low because of competitive market place) + Xp oil price (variable still)) allowing them to budget more clearly for future projects.

 

the downside would be that govt doesnt benefit from rising oil price which is why this common sense approach will never happen.