i used to dj back in the days uk garage on a few local pirate stations.

 

 

i want to get back now just for pleasure. i know that vynals are slowly being overtaken by cd decks. shall i be looking for cd decks with mp3 playback?

 

at the moment not looking spend alot not looking to buy at this very moment either.

cant beat vinyl for any type of audio quality, i still thought true djs, liked vinyl

i still have a few garage classics at home most i just gave away free.

they nearly all use twin/triple/quad cd decks nowadays. theres also a few that use laptops with dj software that has twin decks on screen, just load up your mp3s and away you go.

 

heres a sample http://www.virtualdj.com/addons/skins.html

cant beat vinyl for any type of audio quality, i still thought true djs, liked vinyl

Er, vinyl for audio quality? Seriously?? ;) For the "feel" of it when mixing live etc it used to be the outright winner, sure, but even that is being challenged by the high end CD decks. A friend of mine has one and I have to say I know which I'd prefer to gig with...

BUT I ALWAYS FIND THAT LISTENING TO MY OLD MANS PINK FLOYD albums on vinyl in comparison to my Cds that the vinyl sounds better

 

bloody caps locks!!

It all sounds the same to me, this new music. ;)

BUT I ALWAYS FIND THAT LISTENING TO MY OLD MANS PINK FLOYD albums on vinyl in comparison to my Cds that the vinyl sounds better

 

bloody caps locks!!

Aside from the snaps, pops and crackles...;) TBH, I'm a big vinyl head so I've been playing devil's advocate. What you (and myself and many others) hear with vinyl is a "warmth" to the recording that is perhaps lacking from some CD's. Essentially it's the difference between analogue and digital. Vinyl uses a wider range of frequencies than CD does. Although the human ear can't hear the extra frequencies that vinyl uses, some say it's perhaps not necessarily something you can hear, but something you "feel" hence the "warmer", "fuller" sound. However with the advent of better CD tech and with a proper mix, CD's can achieve the same and even better levels (IMO) of "feeling". Aside from the "sound" there's also practicality involved in the vinyl vs CD debate. If you're gigging, would you rather lug round a heavy as hell vinyl case or a light as a feather (-ish ;)) box of CD's? Not to mention the fact that in a gig environment, CD's are waaaaay more durable than vinyl.

 

End of the day, the big issue is how the DJ prefers to "interface" with his tools. CD mixing tech is now virtually on a par with "old school" mixing, however Vinyl has a very tactile quality and there's no denying the buzz from putting the needle in the groove and spinning the wheels of steel! Lol! :D

depends what kind of music you are into, trance has almost all moved over to cd's or ableton live, but drum and bass is still largely on vinyl.

As for sound quality yeah vinyl has the upper hand, but in the DJ'ing arena the stylus's are pretty tough so you can manhandle the record, so lack any kind of finesse, and the vinyls themselves get worn out quickly because of the abuse, so digital music will win, but the sound systems are usually pretty poor and played so loud you wouldn't be able to tell so nobody really cares :p

can you scratch with cds?

can you scratch with cds?

 

 

yeah. quite easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dont fancy your chances on it working after though. :D

depends what kind of music you are into, trance has almost all moved over to cd's or ableton live, but drum and bass is still largely on vinyl.

As for sound quality yeah vinyl has the upper hand, but in the DJ'ing arena the stylus's are pretty tough so you can manhandle the record, so lack any kind of finesse, and the vinyls themselves get worn out quickly because of the abuse, so digital music will win, but the sound systems are usually pretty poor and played so loud you wouldn't be able to tell so nobody really cares :p

Sorry chap, disagree about vinyl having the upper hand on sound quality.

And yes, you can scratch with CD's...though it involves electrickery...;)

BUT I ALWAYS FIND THAT LISTENING TO MY OLD MANS PINK FLOYD albums on vinyl in comparison to my Cds that the vinyl sounds better

 

bloody caps locks!!

 

Bloody broken delete button...:rofl:

well here is my input i've been a dj for the last 20yrs both mobile and club and seriously now it has all gone to cd and mp3 although there are a few disadvantages of mp3 the main one being it is illegal to use mp3 for public performance..............unless you go to ppl and buy a digital dj license which is £250 plus vat per year for 20,000 tracks. on top of that you also have to sit down every 3 months and give them a full list of tracks you have played with catalogue numbers etc so they can work out how to pay the royalties, this license is a rip off as if you use cd you dont need to buy it and the biggie with it it does not allow you to play downloaded mp3(from the likes of limewire etc) or mp3's you have made yourself from your cd collection as this is illegal also due to mechanical copyright

(i.e. you can not change the original format of the track you bought) so it covers legally downloaded tracks only.

 

but that aside there are some good laptop dj software out there pcdj is good as it can have a karaoke plug in etc added to it.

the new denon hd2500 also a nice dual twin mp3 player with cd capability by buying a seperate unit.

 

as mentioned above about scratching it's usually high end units that have this feature pioneer cdj 1000 denon table tops/dn-d9000 etc and there are a couple of numarks with it as well.

 

my advice if you are getting back into it go cd,vinyl is dying out not even promo companys send me vinyl anymore just everything on cd

 

as mentioned above about scratching it's usually high end units that have this feature pioneer cdj 1000 denon table tops/dn-d9000 etc and there are a couple of numarks with it as well.

I remember reading about Roger Sanchez at the demonstration for the CDJ 1000 challenging the press to stand with their backs turned and to tell whether he was scratching on vinyl or CD. They couldn't :)

Sorry chap, disagree about vinyl having the upper hand on sound quality.

And yes, you can scratch with CD's...though it involves electrickery...;)

 

Its kind of indisputable fact, digital music must be sampled, usually at 44.1kHz, which causes issues, firstly the detail is lost as you get close to the Nyquist frequency (22kHz), and anything above that is badly distorted and usually just cut off to avoid this, then there's the fact that all the information between the sampling points is gone, then there is the finite number of quantisation levels on each sample where analogue is infinate.

 

You would be very hard pushed to tell the difference between an identical recording on vinyl and cd though, thus the hugely increased versatility of the digital recording makes it favourable.

 

The reason the Pink Floyd CD sounds worse is probably down to the same reason most cd productions sound worse, compression, squash out most of the dynamic range to make it sound louder because apparently thats what the production companies think people want these days.

I personally love the sound of vinyl and will never get rid of my house/garage collection, still got my silver technics SL1200's set up in the spare room, just feels more hands on!!!

lots of dj's like the ease of cd's (light to carry around) but love the feel of vinal....hence a number of them now cut their own vinals from cd's/mp3's with fairly inexpensive machines and blank 12" dics....there is a body of evidence now that cd's are getting worse because companies are making them too loud...see here...import vinal was the best and most sought after as it was made with much heavier weight vinal and so gave a better/deeper groove for the stylus...so a more well rounded sound was the result...how do i know this even though i dont dj ? basically i spent too much time listening to my pal john saunderson who was the manager of disco mix club and owners of the world mixing championships :D DMC

Its kind of indisputable fact, digital music must be sampled, usually at 44.1kHz, which causes issues, firstly the detail is lost as you get close to the Nyquist frequency (22kHz), and anything above that is badly distorted and usually just cut off to avoid this, then there's the fact that all the information between the sampling points is gone, then there is the finite number of quantisation levels on each sample where analogue is infinate.

Ahhh...the old "blind us with science" technique, lol! I'm sorry but that in itself is an over simplification and doesn't take into account some of the finer nuances of the arguement. The human ear has it's limitations unfortunately and despite the theory, as you say, telling the difference becomes extremely problematic. Although not concerning the vinyl vs CD arguement per se this discussion is interesting reading if you're the kind of person that likes using phrases like "Nyquist frequency" ;) : http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=1&t=9311

vinyl all the way, proper way to mix. forget your laptops and cd decks, get top of the line vinyl decks. Oh and vinyl played properly on a good system is far better than cd, cds just more convenient, cheating.

So which decks would someone recomend me, im going to a dj tommorrow and need some ideas.

Same as always, Technics SL1210's for vinyl, Pioneer CDJ1000's for CD's.