Recently a kid in S.Wales, bought a 300ZX Manual TT. A couple of months after this he killed it because as it was put "the back stepped out". Now I know that 300HP rear wheel drive cars at granted the higher end of the market, regularly come with track sessions to teach the driver how to control the car.

 

Should specialist dealers offer the same thing to their customers for cars such a Zeds?

 

Should dealers not sell to the cars to kids?

 

Is it a little irresponsible?

 

No offence to dealers who, just a talking point. Kids are a little club footed and I personally find it irresponsible for them to sell a car that could kill them, or worst still someone else, as they haven't a clue how to drive them.

if we all took views like this seriously then it would make sense to ban any car capeable of exceeding the speed limit!! :nelson:

 

fooked if i wanna be driving a 2CV!!! :nono: :nono: :nono:

In this scenario imo a dealer has no liability for injury it the zed can drive around and up the motorway at 70mph without bits falling off or the engine going bang. Good tyres and sharp suspension are a must for a zed if it is to be driven as a performance car. When i got my zed i gingerly drove it from southampton importers and found the tyres were crap. Not imports fault at all. I was sold a zed in general good nick - not a race ready car.

blame the parents..... they should be teaching their kids the dangers of life....

 

And if the kids dont wanna listen :xxx:

I understand where you and hunnipie are coming from and if it was only the driver who suffered I might agree with you, but so often the inexperienced driver also kills/injures the passenger(s) and innocent bystanders.

Whilst we must protect the rights of individuals we also need to protect the community as a whole.

 

 

Have you seen the film I-Robot?

 

The climax of the film reminds me of this, where all the robots in the world are told to prison their owners in their home and dont let them do anything because that is the best way of protecting them.

 

But where do we stop passing on the responcibility to other people??

 

Football clubs stopping certain people from watchin football? Its a fact that wife/partner beating increases with poor football results.

How about bartenders or even drink manufactures being responsible for drunks? Innocent people are beaten or even killed by drunks, not to mention the amount of drink driving deaths?

How about Nissan being responsible for making a car which can be tail happy when driven by idiots?

 

 

Its yet another area of "ITS NOT MY FAULT" culture which has occured.

"The road is bad, it was icey, it was wet, it was dark, he sold me the car, he sold me the tyres, he sold me the boost controller, its tail happy, the tail skips, HICAS is cráp, the back end is light, the spoiler's wrong".

 

How about giving the excuse.

 

"I was driving like a tit"

"I was impatient"

"The car is too powerful for me"

"Im not as good a driver I thought I was"

"I made a mistake"

"I should have been going slower"

"I wasnt paying full attention"

blame the parents..... they should be teaching their kids the dangers of life....

 

And if the kids dont wanna listen :xxx:

 

 

You ahve got it all wrong. Parents aren't responsible for their kids any more. Its always the schools and teachers' responsibility for teaching them everything now. :rant:

its not a matter of blaming the dealer if someone crashes a newly-bought powerful car - i for one am certainly all for personal responsibility and all that. i think the jist (or gist) we're trying to get at (ignoring the thread title) is that generally selling powerful cars to inexperienced drivers is a bad thing. is this a sensible thing to say, cos i for one am p***ed off paying higher insurance for young chavs smashing up their knackered subaru (and someone else's car and possibly life)

im sorry thats cod5hit.

 

i bought my zed having been used to small engined fwd cars. i had no experience driving them at all and i have killed niether myself or the car as i have been careful and sensible, its not the dealers or the cars fault its the silly idiots that think they are bloody jensen buttons fault when things go tits up.

 

every time we buy a carving knife should house of fraser send us on a course on dealing with dangerous weapons?

 

its the owners fault

 

that my quidsworth anyway

Whats this got to do with 300ZX help and advice? :confused:

Whats this got to do with 300ZX help and advice? :confused:

 

 

spam, for your tea tonight, get spam for a snack or three, get spam when you need a bite, get spam if you fancy talking 5hite!

I'm feeling disgruntled :rant:

im sorry thats cod5hit.

 

i bought my zed having been used to small engined fwd cars. i had no experience driving them at all and i have killed niether myself or the car as i have been careful and sensible, its not the dealers or the cars fault its the silly idiots that think they are bloody jensen buttons fault when things go tits up.

 

thats great, and you are a member of the majority, but the point (or at least my point) is that you had driving experience before you bought the Z, because it wasnt your first car.

LMAO how many people buy a Z as a first car??? :rofl: Quality :rofl: Can we move this thread to the joke forum? :rofl: ;)

FFS not just a Z - any powerful car! :rolleyes:

im sorry thats cod5hit.

 

i bought my zed having been used to small engined fwd cars. i had no experience driving them at all and i have killed niether myself or the car as i have been careful and sensible,

 

 

 

 

Same here.

 

I went from a 1.3 Astra to the Z.

like i say when i buy my first carving knife for my first house should the shop send me on a course to deal with dangerous weapons?

 

sorry if they choose a fast car for a first car their risk

 

when in this country are people going to start accepting responsibility for their own decisions, actions?

 

sorry to be objectionable

sorry if they choose a fast car for a first car their risk

 

the thing with cars is, its not just their risk. if they lose control and go head-on into someone else, then an innocent party is involved. and that's where the problem lies. someone speeding round a corner and ending up in the river or ditch is one thing, cos it affects no-one else (in terms of injury/damage), but me, you, and most other people are paying more in insurance to make up for the damage caused partially by inexperienced drivers in cars too powerful for them. nobody's banning powerful cars, nobody's preventing anybody from ever in their life driving a powerful car, but i personally think that (for example) a 17-year-old who has just passed their test should not (for the first few months) sit at the wheel of a 300bhp rear-wheel drive, twin-turbocharged car. not everyone is a responsible driver like you or me Sarah but as always its the minority that spoil it for everyone else.

right im going to put the kettle on.

im all for changing the laws and preventing young drivers from having high powered cars, but the responsibility is therefore on the government and the purchaser the onus should not be put on the seller imho

im all for changing the laws and preventing young drivers from having high powered cars, but the responsibility is therefore on the government and the purchaser the onus should not be put on the seller imho

 

i agree :hyper:

one sugar or two?

No matter what you do if they want a fast car they'll find some way of doing it. To the point where they're not legally insured, so when they DO crash into you, you don't get **** all..... Still such a good idea? :wack:

No matter what you do if they want a fast car they'll find some way of doing it. To the point where they're not legally insured, so when they DO crash into you, you don't get **** all..... Still such a good idea? :wack:

 

if someone does something illegally you cant help that can you? if someone steals a powerful car and smashes into someone you cant do anything about it - except chop their hands off, but thats wishful thinking.

so after stopping the youngsters buying high powered cars

do we then stop shops selling mods to them to increase the bhp?

only allow 25+ to buy certain modification mags as the young may be tempted? MOST imports are limited to 112mph, and the first thing most do is remove the limiter, i think if you look in iraq etc now most of our young soldiers are driving tanks and guns that kill (yes with training) but how can what goes on over there be taught?

so your ok to shoot to kill, but not drive a high powered car when you get home, oh and you can have the responsibility of owning a house and bringing up kids, but only go to the shops in a milk float :confused:

 

lol imagine the uproar if goverment had thought this one up as law

if someone does something illegally you cant help that can you? if someone steals a powerful car and smashes into someone you cant do anything about it - except chop their hands off, but thats wishful thinking.

 

No you're right, but why INCREASE the number of illegal drivers on our roads? That would just make your chances of being hit by an uninsured driver higher!!!

 

cars with power are unpredictable - now matter how long you have been driving.

 

 

Complete toss! Cars with power are just as predictable as ones without much power. Its the driver that makes the difference, not the car.

Complete toss! Cars with power are just as predictable as ones without much power. Its the driver that makes the difference, not the car.

 

 

surely with low power you are minimising the risk?

how old was the 'kid' ??

 

experience is only gained by mistakes! You live and you learn.

early 20's