How many people on here have either one of these chips? whats the difference between the two, which gives better performance?

 

Also have many people got Mines chips and what performance gains can be had from these chips

 

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aki

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh BOLLOX to this !!!!

 

Ok here goes FFS

 

SE CHIPS ARE SHIT - JWT RULES

 

SUPRAS SUCK - Z's RULE

 

STRAIGHT 6 ENGINES SUCK - VEE's RULE

 

 

yeah yeah yeah very fucking Good.

 

Aki to answer your question - both have proved by the people that run them to be a good chip to have ! I Would argue the JWT is a safer chip to have - Will the SE chip deliver more power on custom tuned setup - maybe it will - Will the MINES chip deliver more HP that the JWT on a custom Tuner setup - YES - I have seen the results on Dyno charts from Japan - The Jap GT cars use Mines ECU's as they are proven to be the best on Jap 101 Octane fuel ! they dont use SE chips ! - Maybe SE marketing aren't as Good as Mines and that is why they didn't get the GT cars deal but hey i dont know.

 

Oh yes and lest not forget JUN They make ECU's - they hold several speed records in there Z - maybe SE just couldn't be bothered entering a car in that !

 

So if you want the best performing proven ECU then buy Mines or JUN and get it tuned properly for your Car.

 

But Unkie Nick my car has done 120K miles has lower compression than a god can imagine and has fuel system that looks like it came out of the Borrats back garden ! I bought a MINES ECU and it blew my engine up !

 

Yes you are a fucking Ideot !

 

I could fit a SE chip to my car now - go down the Dyno and post figures that my Clio wouldn't envy - Why because it isn't finished and not running rite !

 

Congratulations AndyP - I was not at the Dyno run so i dont know the full story - from what i have been told the figures you ran were very bad - upto the point you did not want them showing in a magazine ! There was also another undisclosed SE chip there that came out down on HP - If im wrong prove it - i wasn't there and have only heard second hand.

 

Ontop of those Dyno charts looking suspect les us compare :

 

 

This is your HP curve

 

Now lets compare it too :

 

 

Both cars are probably pretty close - Andy i dont know what your running Exactly - On Karls Dyno you will see he beats yours on both Peak HP and Torque So therefor the JWT is the better chip.

 

Oh wait a minute what is this ?

 

 

Oh your readings are better than these ones -Sorry then SE chip is Better !

 

Do you all see how it is so tricky to answer this question.

 

Now i have spoke to JWT about chips a few and i dont mean the compant and mean JIM WOLF himself.

 

JWT's chips are custom mapped for UK fuel - there goes that Myth - They also do different chips for UK, european , Japanese and Mark 1/2 cars as well and the only difference isn't just the AIV's !!!! They also make many different programs for Auto manual and upgrade paths that they deam to be productive with regarde to AF changes

 

JWT's aren't as powerfull - well that is not what the dyno information suggests - I dont know where AndyP's Dyno run was done - but The Other two i posted were done in TEXAS - i.e much higher temps than over here !

 

So what conclusions can we Draw - Yes the SE chip was more powerfull on AndyP's car if we assume the Dyno information was correct - But the JWT underperformed on his car compared to the figures the americans are getting.

 

We dont know 10000 other things about those cars in those tests ! like what compression was , what boost , What Cooling Efficency, What fuel Octane levels (and i mean exact), Backpressure - Prasitic Crank Drain Etc.

 

I will take my Car to the dyno when it is finsihed and it will beat most SE chips out there if i get it running 100% - but then again mine is not exactly stock Stage 3 !

 

The Facts people have based there arguments on here are sound -

 

Yes a properly tuned chip should perform better than a off the shelf solution if it is tuned correctly !

 

Yes A well made off the shelf chip designed to run in cars that may have many different character traits will need to have a higher saftey margin on its fuel usage as it will be less aware how far it can lean off to make maximum power !

 

Since i haven't seen the fuel maps for SE chips i dont know how safe they run - I know from experience and word that JWT dump as much fuel as they can find at WOT so it does have a high saftey margin.

 

So my only conclusion from the evidence at hand is that from eveidence at hand both chips are copedent of making good power !

 

The only true proof of which makes more power is for someone to get a perfectly tuned car and run a JWT on it ang get the figure that JWT say they can get then swap a SE chip in and see what power increase you get.

 

Then you will have a winner - Oh but wait a min what happens if you drive 2 miles with your new car and its pistons blow to timbook two !!!!

 

Conclusions ?!?! get which everone you fancy dude !

 

Why do i have a JWT - well i know it produces good power on UK cars - you dont believe me - Ask Dave W, Simon Pass, Steve E Etc Etc. It is safe - Steve E has run one for about 5 years + now and Lamp posts collsions not withstanding (sorry steve) has had no problems !

 

But i could get more power - Yeah sure - If i really feel the need for more power i just lean off a bit with the AFC where my Dyno chart is showing flat spots - If my EGT's get too hot i richen it back up a bit ! - I can also fiddle with my boost - So that takes us down the old Motec route doesn't it - and motorsport has proved that is the real winner in the power stakes but hey who wants to really dyno tune there car before they go out on the road every day.

 

there are a million ways to tune the AFR maps of a car all have there advantages and disadvantages - Im fuckin happy with my car when it ran - i aint been in a stage 3 that was noticably fast ! if you are happy with you car - fair play you have a good ecu - altho all the mud slinging and name callin aint gonna slove anything inthe debate - it keeps us all entertained.

 

Well i didn't want to post on this thread in a sensible manner - but ahh what the hell im trying to get myself fired anyway !

 

 

 

 

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Please please buy it - im gettin desperate now god damit !!!

Fight Fight Fight

Warren and the Duffman in the Red corner,

Timmy Turbo and Mac1 in the Blue, and Nico as the Ref, and lets not forget Craig as Don King!

Lets geeeetttttttttt rrrreeeeady to Rumbbbbllllllleeeeee!!!!!!! rofl

Mwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

Well I think you're all talking bollocks!

 

I think you'll find that certain SE customers have had the chips mapped to their individual cars like Dave Hairy did.

 

If my chip was specifically mapped to suit my car how come it worked with such fantastic results in AndyP's car?

 

My car at the time = completely stock

AndyP's car at the time = zorst, de-cat, SE boost upgrade and K&N panel filters in the intake

 

Yep that's right, mine stock, Andy's upgraded using THE SAME CHIP!

 

I think you'll find on speaking to someone who knows exactly what they're talking about a.k.a. Pete R that there are different versions of the SE chip.

 

As you bolt on more bits or go for larger power gains then yes, SE can and will for a fee, give you a rolling road day and remap the chip.

 

I thankyou! Not IMO either...FACT!

 

 

 

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To answer some of your points :-

 

My figures were not bad I just didn't want MY photo in the magazine

The dyno runs were done back to back within a couple of minutes

I run about 11.5psi

Mine was the most powerful auto there, the two cars more powerful were Warren and Grant - both manuals

My car had never been on a dyno before and is standard apart from exhaust and intake

 

I have nothing to prove except these were the figures on the day, at the time, within a couple of minutes of each other.

 

I agree with much of what you say and was interested to see that JWT provide so many variations. There are also other companies that provide modified ECU's like Hitec (not sure if its the same Hitec as in the UK) and Unichip.

 

Can't remember what else you said as it's gone off the screen ....

Originally posted by AndyP:

To answer some of your points :-

 

My figures were not bad I just didn't want MY photo in the magazine

The dyno runs were done back to back within a couple of minutes

I run about 11.5psi

Mine was the most powerful auto there, the two cars more powerful were Warren and Grant - both manuals

My car had never been on a dyno before and is standard apart from exhaust and intake

 

I have nothing to prove except these were the figures on the day, at the time, within a couple of minutes of each other.

 

I agree with much of what you say and was interested to see that JWT provide so many variations. There are also other companies that provide modified ECU's like Hitec (not sure if its the same Hitec as in the UK) and Unichip.

 

Can't remember what else you said as it's gone off the screen ....

 

As Andy has just pointed out, SE chip won on the day back-to-back so does that allow me to make the statement...

 

SE chip Rocks, JWT doesn't

 

...er yep! LMFAO

 

 

 

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Originally posted by marczxt:

Fight Fight Fight

Warren and the Duffman in the Red corner,

Timmy Turbo and Mac1 in the Blue, and Nico as the Ref, and lets not forget Craig as Don King!

Lets geeeetttttttttt rrrreeeeady to Rumbbbbllllllleeeeee!!!!!!! rofl

Mwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

O yer that will be a fair fight won't it...... A Southafrican geezer on cruches and a pipe cleaner look alike without the wool FFS Timmy you make the tea and get a mop to wipe up the remains and leave the rest to me .1-100 odds on we win .

 

 

 

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Originally posted by AndyP:

To answer some of your points :-

I run about 11.5psi

Mine was the most powerful auto there, the two cars more powerful were Warren and Grant - both manuals

 

Andy, just out of interest, why do you only run 11.5psi?

 

AFAIK the JWT is OK up to 14-14.5psi. Can the SE handle that amount of boost too?

 

The JWT is designed for cars with uprated boost, so to test it without doing so doesn't really seem a fair comparison.

 

I'd be interested in seeing back-to-back figures at 14psi or so though.

Fuck me this place cracks me up big time!

 

It's like Chinese bloody whispers, Nick mate, just read what you first posted bud.

 

It wasn't AndyP who threw a wobbler that was JeffTT!!!

 

Andy just didn't want his pic in the mag and I don't believe that makes those figures bullshit! LMFFFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

 

 

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Well I think you're all talking bollocks!

 

which is why i couldn't be bothered to post in the first place - but a mistake i wont make twice - hence wont post again on a tech matter in the future you can all figure it out for yourselves !

 

Anyone want a ECU - buy a fuckin Superchip - Its good coz i said so !

 

 

 

 

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Please please buy it - im gettin desperate now god damit !!!

Originally posted by MAC 1:

Originally posted by marczxt:

Fight Fight Fight

Warren and the Duffman in the Red corner,

Timmy Turbo and Mac1 in the Blue, and Nico as the Ref, and lets not forget Craig as Don King!

Lets geeeetttttttttt rrrreeeeady to Rumbbbbllllllleeeeee!!!!!!! rofl

Mwwwwaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

O yer that will be a fair fight won't it...... A Southafrican geezer on cruches and a pipe cleaner look alike without the wool FFS Timmy you make the tea and get a mop to wipe up the remains and leave the rest to me .1-100 odds on we win .

 

 

 

ROFLMFFFFFAAAAAOOOOO

 

I'm gonna start a thread just like this one the night before Billing to really get it going!

 

 

 

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Nick I was only joking! FFS!

 

What's this nastey tech shite doing on here anyway, shite only in the Gen Forum please! ROFL

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Nico:

Well I think you're all talking bollocks!

 

 

Nico I am not there is no way the pipe cleaner can beat me,Not even if he dropped Warrens engine on my head from the top of the arena .

 

 

 

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Dave,

AFAIK the SE boost upgrade will be set to a figure appropriate for the individual car. When mine was done it was running standard absolutely eveything, now that I have an accurate boost gauge and have sorted out a few other things I plan to raise it a bit. But I have never been interested in chasing huge power figures, mine is an everyday car so I'm not overly bothered. I was more interested in removing the restrictions than tuning as such.

Well then if this is the case go get a mines ecu

it made 130 bhp on the wheels more than pingrams car

 

besides who cares anyone with excel can make a good dyno chart.

i can also run the one chip at 11 psi and the other at 15 psi and post it on the same sheet, at the end of the day its just numbers ffks.

Andy has boost jets not a controller so I think it would be difficult for him to frig the boost in a matter of minutes!

 

 

 

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Oops wrong thread! I'm not posting on here fear of a flame war!

 

 

[This message has been edited by TT Tim (edited 05-04-2002).]

Originally posted by TT Tim:

What can I say?

 

Hung Muther

 

 

Eh???

 

 

 

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AKI poor AKI all he wanted was a simple answer not world war 3 FFS,I blame Craig who woke him up???Craig see what you done now bud .Go back to sleep mate this place is not good for you,you know it pisses you off these war things .

 

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Originally posted by MAC 1:

AKI poor AKI all he wanted was a simple answer not world war 3 FFS,I blame Craig who woke him up???Craig see what you done now bud .Go back to sleep mate this place is not good for you,you know it pisses you off these war things .

 

What you on about Iain, Craig started it! LMFAO

 

If he'd stayed in hibernation none of this would have ever happened!

 

Someone wake him up again around Billing say July(ish) ROFL

 

 

 

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Not sure I fancy Billing much anymore - you lot can go there for a fight and I'll go to CenterParcs for a weekend long barbeque !

Originally posted by AndyP:

Not sure I fancy Billing much anymore - you lot can go there for a fight and I'll go to CenterParcs for a weekend long barbeque !

 

LMAO

 

Billing is a big place mate, anyway, I'm gonna be on the Jet Skis all day with Jamie.

 

 

 

 

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lol Bring on Billing i say.

Hell everyone here all take the copmplete piss out of everyone else and then you all get offended when it gets done back to you ect. Come to billing bring a yello banana boat and you can all watch tinky try and run me over on a jet ski.

 

Friday night 300z aka mines boy against Johhny aka gingerbread man

Saturday night 300z aka mines boy against

SMITHY/JEFF AKA Batman and robin

Sunday main event 300z aka mines boy against the 300zx forum

 

Andy ,

 

Why would you not want to go to billing dude -

 

Why miss a chance to confirm to the real world you are as bigger a Fuckin childish moron joke as this forum potrays us all to be !

 

I know i'll be there - may as well go dressed like Binky the fucking clown - you'd could hardly be more of a laffing stock than if you turned up in a Z FFS -

 

Even the Datsun 210 boyz will be Laughing there asses off at us this year !

 

 

 

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Please please buy it - im gettin desperate now god damit !!!

It was a joke - read the news about CenterParc !

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1912000/1912764.stm

Whose chips are the best then?

JWT- powerful but safe

SE- powerful, tuneable to individual car

MOTEC- money money money

Blitz- anyone tried them?

SuperChips- (dont make me laugh)

Mines- not really made for shitty UK petrol

In my opinion the best, bar none are Harry Ramsdens- best chips ever

Dave