ok this is confusing me , In the earlier Batman films, It was the joker that killed bruce waynes parents and said the famous phrase " ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight ". Then in the new film Batman returns, Its a hobo off the street that killed them ...Whats going on..am i missing something here . And yes this is the most stressful problem i have in my life at present.

 

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Lucky you! I just don't take any notice of problems :wack:

The joker in his earlier teen days killed batmans parents.

Phew I bet your glad that ones sorted lol

maybe the joker was a hobo in his youth, then made a bit of cash through street robberies and the occaisional murder of wealthy philanthropists, then he invested this cash in a few wisely chosen criminal ventures and so on, and so on to become the uber-baddy he is today

I thought that was a particularly annoying part of the latest film, it just completely removes one of the main points of the first film and ignores it damn them :(

I hate Tim Burton films.

 

They look so great and then the plots are always just the same tired, predictable Hollywood pap.

 

I dunno if he did the later Batman films, mind. It still looks bad if they can't be bothered to iron out inconsistencies like that though.

 

 

Don't people fly and have magic powers and stuff? If you can do that, well anything's possible!

At the risk of sounding like a comic book spod, both are right, depending on which "universe" you follow. The new film is based on the graphic novels. The previous batman films tweaked the original story line to emphasise the Jokers' influence in his origin. This kind of thing happens A LOT in comic book film adaptions, e.g. the film X-men universe is vastly different to the comic book version.

 

The graphic novel version of events Re: The Joker (done superbly by Alan Moore in "Killing Joke"...check it out):

The Joker was an unnamed engineer who quit his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agreed to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police came and informed him that his wife had just been electrocuted in a household accident involving an electric baby bottle heater. Grief-stricken, the engineer tried to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-armed him into keeping his commitment to them.

 

At the plant, the criminals made him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this was simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blundered into security personnel, and a violent shootout and chase ensued. The criminals were gunned down and the engineer found himself confronted by Batman, who was investigating the disturbance.

 

In panicked desperation, the engineer deliberately jumped into a toxic waste vat to escape Batman and was swept through a pipe leading to the outside. Once outside, he discovered, to his horror, that the chemicals permanently stained his skin chalk white, his lips ruby red and his hair bright green. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, caused him to go completely insane and resulted in the birth of the Joker.

 

[taken from Wikipedia]

 

So there you go! :)

so i was close then...

At the risk of sounding like a comic book spod, both are right, depending on which "universe" you follow. The new film is based on the graphic novels. The previous batman films tweaked the original story line to emphasise the Jokers' influence in his origin. This kind of thing happens A LOT in comic book film adaptions, e.g. the film X-men universe is vastly different to the comic book version.

 

The graphic novel version of events Re: The Joker (done superbly by Alan Moore in "Killing Joke"...check it out):

The Joker was an unnamed engineer who quit his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agreed to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police came and informed him that his wife had just been electrocuted in a household accident involving an electric baby bottle heater. Grief-stricken, the engineer tried to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-armed him into keeping his commitment to them.

 

At the plant, the criminals made him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this was simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blundered into security personnel, and a violent shootout and chase ensued. The criminals were gunned down and the engineer found himself confronted by Batman, who was investigating the disturbance.

 

In panicked desperation, the engineer deliberately jumped into a toxic waste vat to escape Batman and was swept through a pipe leading to the outside. Once outside, he discovered, to his horror, that the chemicals permanently stained his skin chalk white, his lips ruby red and his hair bright green. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, caused him to go completely insane and resulted in the birth of the Joker.

 

[taken from Wikipedia]

 

So there you go! :)

 

You do know there's a name for people like you Leigh.

 

Anorak :slap: :rofl: :rofl:

 

So which one is the definative answer. Ye of comic book wisdom.

 

You carn't just sit on the fence

Bizzarely I think this is about the third time I've answered this same question on here! (Shomeone do a shearch! :D)

 

There is no real right or wrong (some characters or groups have multiple "universes"...usually when a writer leaves and a new one takes over and wants to do things differently or if they kill off a character that turns out to be more popular than they thought so they switch to another "reality" where they're still alive!)

 

From a purists point of view, the graphic novel version is correct...but I didn't say that and you ain't seen me, right? :D

Bizzarely I think this is about the third time I've answered this same question on here! (Shomeone do a shearch! :D)

 

There is no real right or wrong (some characters or groups have multiple "universes"...usually when a writer leaves and a new one takes over and wants to do things differently or if they kill off a character that turns out to be more popular than they thought so they switch to another "reality" where they're still alive!)

 

From a purists point of view, the graphic novel version is correct...but I didn't say that and you ain't seen me, right? :D

Right got it. We won't quote you or tell anyone we've seen you.

 

BTW reminds me of when I used to nick the comic's off my best freinds brother LOL

Ok so who killed his parents then ?

In the original DC universe it was a character called Joe Chill, a small time thug hired for the job. In the most recent change (alternative universe) it's unclear whether it was Chill and Bruce isn't sure whether it was him or not.

the annoying thing about that film is the gadgets he has in the latest film far outclass the ones in the first films which are supposed to have superceded ..*****x

Who cares

Well I've had the new one on DVD for about five months, and still not got around to seeing it yet :D

Thanks Leigh...that was something that bugged me too.

 

Loved the old batman films but Batman Begins is by far the greatest Batman film ever

I've got a lot of respect for Tim Burton as a film maker (not since David Lynch have I been so impressed with one guys warped vision) and although pretty dated looking now, his original Batman was good. However the new Batman Begins knocks spots off it (won't bother comparing it to the sequels...Val Kilmer...*shudder*). Christian Bale is one of top 5 favorite actors and he brings a real presence to the character plus the cinematography is oustanding.

 

Batman has always been a strange character. Perhaps one of the darkest in the DC universe. Unlike his contemporaries he has absolutely no super powers and is, in essence, a rich detective with borderline psychotic and schizophrenic tendencies. Yet he's perhaps the most loved out of them all.

at the end of Batman Begins doesnt that copper (who i presume becomes promoted to Comissioner Gordon) say they found a joker playing card left at a crime scene?

movie makers often faff about with the history or the look of a villan mainly to avoid copyright or royalty issues....IIRC this was the case with Alien Resurrection when they changed the look of the aliens...added a few extra knobbly bits...so as not to pay anything to the original designer...possibly Godzilla as well...just goes to show there are more sharks in the movie industry than 1000 Jaws sequals could ever come up with

:D

at the end of Batman Begins doesnt that copper (who i presume becomes promoted to Comissioner Gordon) say they found a joker playing card left at a crime scene?

Yup and yup! :D Sets it up nicely for a sequel ;)