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SPEEDING & SPEED CAMERAS!

Some wise words from Quentin Wilson for a change...

 

SILENCE IN COURT Jan 4 2002

 

 

It's the only legal way to beat the speed camera menace

 

 

 

 

IT LOOKS like speed cameras are going to be making the news again this year.

 

Research has shown that their proliferation has damaged relations between public and police and caused bitter resentment among the nation's 30 million motorists.

 

Last year, in an attempt to calm things down, the government did a U-turn and declared that all cameras must be made more visible and sited only on roads with a proven accident history.

 

And the men responsible for the UK's speed camera policy - the Association Of Chief Police Officers - have fallen out with Home Secretary David Blunkett, who is concerned over ACPO's desire for more cameras and their attitude of zero tolerance towards speeders.

 

Road accident figures also show that injuries and fatalities have not fallen as much as expected (in fact, in some areas they've actually increased), casting doubt over the speed camera lobby's road safety justification.

 

The M25, with its hundreds of cameras, has even been officially branded Britain's most dangerous motorway.

 

Now, the whole issue is to be paraded through the international courts, after Guildford magistrates allowed a motorist caught by camera to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights.

 

Idris Francis, from Surrey, was instructed by his solicitor to refuse to supply details of who was driving his car at the time of the offence. Francis's lawyer claims that to do so would violate his legal right to silence and protection from self-incrimination under the European Convention of Human Rights.

 

Even though Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act (1988) states that the registered owner of a vehicle caught speeding on camera must supply details of who was driving, lawyers are now saying that the legislation threatens an individual's right to a fair trial.

 

And if the Court of Human Rights rules in Mr Francis's favour, hundreds of thousands of convictions could be rendered unsound.

 

The legal right not to self-incriminate has been used successfully by a small minority of motorists over the past two years. I know one bloke who has refused to incriminate himself five times and even a couple of senior police officers have tried it. In all instances, the cases have been dismissed.

 

Motoring organisations previously believed that the non-incrimination cases were being thrown out due to cost but secret documents now show that Government lawyers are well aware of the legal anomaly and have advised police forces not to take motorists who plead silence to court - simply because they know that the Crown will lose the case.

 

So, if you're unlucky enough to be caught on camera this year, get your lawyer to ask the JP's leave to appeal to the Court of Human Rights and don't incriminate yourself. You have a legal right to stay silent. Don't be intimidated and throw your rights away. Let the police do what the law says they must do - prove your guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

 

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Mmm very interesting young Timmy but I remember an old geezer telling me in the early 1900 when motorcycles were first availble that the coppers had to catch you to do you for speeding and not by the number plate,he said then simply you sped away if signaled to stop and as his bike was faster than the one`s the coppers had he had no problem. Can kinda see a similar thing happening now if the law has a loop hole as u say,why stop for coppers when if you can outrun them and go home you say I am not telling you who was driving! sounds like a plan!! lets start a revolution.... you first(lol) smile.gif

Jeff TT

The only fair way to catch speeders it to be caught by the police themselves, personaly. We have speed cameras to catch speeders, but unfortunatly we dont have cameras that catch incompitence and ignorance. If there where more police on the roads, the non indicating and red light breaking Taxis will be in the shit. It will get the car that weaves all over the road, the person who takes the shortcut through a no entry.

We have all seen it, and it it always pisses us off. But because there is no technology that can catch these people, the police arent arsed.

More police presents on the road will stop these other very dangerous laws from being broken, and speeders have no choice but to pay the fine cos they have been pulled over.

Also more visible police will cut hundreds of other crimes. So why dont they do that? Cos it costs too much

 

My 2 Euro Cents

 

Stuart

Quote - "Idris Francis, from Surrey, was instructed by his solicitor to refuse to supply details of who was driving his car at the time of the offence. Francis's lawyer claims that to do so would violate his legal right to silence and protection from self-incrimination under the European Convention of Human Rights."

 

Wasnt he the prat with an old classic car doing about 47 in a 30 limit? Dont wish to sound righteous but that is an asshole thing to be doing.

An empty motorway on a Sunday morning is where I was declared an "asshole" but it didnt seem so antisocial there! I got pulled fopr being the slowest of 3 cars that passed them. They couldnt be bothered to catch the others - just wanted the result.

WillieO,

 

It depends what sort of 30 limit it was I suppose.

 

Doing 47 in a town centre isn't clever.

 

Doing 47 on a road that used to have a 60 limit and should still have a 60 limit is perfectly OK in my opinion. There are plenty of these around that have been changed to 30 for no good reason.

 

I don't know which applies in this case.

 

[This message has been edited by Dave Marley (edited 10-01-2002).]

I agree with Stu. More police on the roads and get shot of the cameras. Statistics are starting to prove that they are not reducing accidents and fatalities on the roads in the UK which we all knew to be bollox anyway.

 

Drink driving was up for the third year in a row with mostly young people getting nicked for being over the limit. Again, the general concensus seems to be that there is a reduced police car presence on the roads so more people assume that they can get away with it!

Dave

 

Good point. In fact Ive a fast road near me thats going to be re-zoned from 60 to 40 cos a local kid was killed running accross it.

Still if we had consistency with rules and the application of them then I'd be happy to follow. Fraid Ive become a 29.9mph bore in 30 zones in my area. Dont want any more points. Plus its defo cooler sticking to limits in town in a Z

 

+Apart from the fixed penalty they cost about £100 per 3 per year for 5 years on your insurance, if you declare them, and you are wasting your money paying your premiums if you dont.

Some good points made!!! I am FED UP with having to drive to work at 25mph cos the old dear in front has not demisted her car properly or cos Joe Bloggs doesn't see the point in rushing anymore cos he's retired or or or.... The fact is there are now so many bloody 30 and 40 limits for no reason what-so-ever that people drive at these speeds EVERYWHERE!!! frown.gif These people are DANGEROUS - if not more dangerous than speeders cos if you come round a corner at 60mph in a 60 limit and there is a car just round the corner doing 25 you could be in BIG trouble... Who's fault would that be then??? wink.gif

 

Another point that should be policed far more is peoples basic motorway skills - I've lost count of the number of people I've followed onto the motorway, joining at around 40mph (FFS!) and then signalling straight out into the second lane when there is nothing in front of them in the first place.

 

The fact is the driving standards in this country are deteriorating at an unbelievable rate. The speeding motorists have a VERY SMALL contribution to the number of accidents on the roads, but it is them who are being penalised because a camera can be just hidden behind a sign and the money will flood in.... I have done my advanced driving with the IAM which has taught me one hell of a lot about how to 'read' the roads and how to drive quickly but still well within the limits.

 

The roads are a DISGRACE and something must be done about it....

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

I agree with Stuart and I quote...

"More police presents on the road"

Can I have a new set of alloys on my birthday officer? LOL

 

I've been done by the changing speed limit thing.

Driving home from my girlfriends at 1.30am on a totally clear 60 limit open road - not a car in sight and nobody about (there wouldn't be it's a half mile either way to the nearest house)

Got stopped for doing 50 in a 30 limit.

The twat told me the speed limit changed last month and I should have seen the signs.

Next day I noticed a sign saying "New speed limit ahead" but no signs to say what speed.

They had removed the original 60 signs and left it at that. The tit said I should have known apparently because the road is lit with street lights.

Excuse me orrifice but the street lights have always been there - the only difference is they took other signs down!

Asked him why it changed and he said there was a new housing estate to be built at the road sides - fair enough but 4 years later there are still no houses! I was well pissed off.

mad.gif More people taking the piss out of my Dyslexia mad.gif

 

Hehehe, only joking wink.gif

 

Stuart

this is gonna sound wierd but im glad some cameras are up because it does make you think about what you are doing if there wasnt any cameras or rozzers out there waiting to nick me i know for a fact i'd be blatting around everywhere and sooner or later for me and some unlucky sucker in my way it would be game over

No tooley they would hear you coming with all that ice mate biggrin.gif.

 

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