Hi all,

A protest is being organised, please read on and contact John for updates.

Many thanks.

 

 

The time has come to stand and be counted. Enough is enough!

 

I’m guessing that there are many people who are getting kinda fed up with the ridiculous amounts of gatso’s kicking about and laser vans etc. etc. etc who are operating under the veil of being for safety when actually they are there to generate revenue – pure and simple.

 

It’s seems that the humble motorist weather it be someone who has a performance car – or classic car, or just a bog standard car is being penalised due to the over zealous speed enforcement that occurs in this country.

 

We all enjoy driving and we are being taxed to pieces due to petrol tax, road tax and now the speeding tax. So I propose we protest about it. Cause a bit of a commotion. Get noticed. Prove a point. Kick Off!

 

Basically the argument is that the speed camera is now not being used as a safety, life saving device – but a revenue device for the government – instead of being used in areas where these installations (whether fixed of mobile) would reduce accidents – they are being more commonly used in areas where it’s dead easy to catch someone slightly straying over an unrealistically low speed limit . It’s not ok any more – driving used to be a pleasurable experience – now it’s ruined due to having to spend each and every moment checking you speedometer.

 

I’m proposing that on the 1st August we do something.

 

 

Namely a mass protest by narked motorists who are prepared to get on the road to make a stand AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

 

Starting at Carlisle in the early hours as many of us as possible will drive down through the country – on mass – without breaking a single speed limit – or any law. But our route (which will be decided nearer the time – for obvious reasons) will cause a great deal of congestion and disruption – but hopefully we will be backed by the majority of the motoring public, who too feel aggrieved by how the roads are now policed.

 

I know there are many arguments about road safety and correct driving – I’m not proposing we should protest about any reasonable law – but a law that is broken by so many, so often, is surely a law that should be changed.

 

 

 

If you know of other people in other car clubs, or know of other car club forums where it would be a good idea to post a link to our revolution get on there and do it.

 

Let me know where else this is being posted so I can get stuck in and get this co-ordinated.

 

NOW IS TIME FOR A CHANGE!

 

 

VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!

 

email me john@themusiccellar.fsnet.co.uk

 

and I'll count you in and put you on a list so that you get all the developments!

 

 

Thanks folks,

 

 

Euphonium_John

this guy is off the gt4 board, it kinda got mixed resposes on there. Personally i think its a waste of time , it wont change anything, but will raise a bit more cash for the govt via fuel tax.

Here's the thing though scoops.

 

Its a put up and shut up question.

As much as I hate the French, they do have the right idea. If they want to realy make a point to the government/s tey do what? Moan about it, complain to their mates down the pub? Bitch about it to people they know in the street in general convo?

Heven forbid they actualy do some thing about it.

If a convoy was to drive from 1 end of the M1 to teh other at 69 on all lanes there would be carnage. It would highlight a point.

 

Then again, speeding is speeding.

LOL If you speed you run the risk of braking the law, you pay the penalty. You may not like it but hey lifes not fair;)

apathy rules in this country and always has ,hence we get crapped on ,i dislike the french ,but you do have to admire them ,they stand up for themselves and be counted till a change happens and maybe if we did the same ,something might change for the better. *gets off soapbox*

hang on, your missing the point, if you dont speed then you wont get fined.... its that simple.. the speed limits are the law like them or not, its not flexible. Liek roy has just said, if you break the speed limit then you run the risk of getting caught.. simple!!!

Its like complaining that people get sent to jail if they get caught murdering people.

 

FFS they would probably be better of campaigning for lower fuel tax or higher motway speed limits.... then again you can rarely get above 50 on the mways anyway these days with all the traffic.

Hmm, well the new traffic signs on the M4 have a camera on every one - about one every 1/2 mile , now the possibility is you could get about 1-20 odd speeding fines in as many miles, I drove most of the way back at a stately 70 mph- on the inside lane, and virtually every car in the centre and outside lane was doing 80 -100 mph - apart from a bloke in a black convertible BM who I estimate to have been doing in excess of 130 and using all lanes and hard shoulder to get ahead. If you do 70mph in the centre lane people pass you on the inside at 80, and on the outside at 90, strangely enough the inside lane was almost empty, where as the outer 2 lanes were bumper to bumper. wierd mentality that, as if peeps used vacant lanes to drive in there would be less congestion. same applies to speed limits IMHO.

Personally I would suggest that motorway speed limits should be raised to 80mph and then strictly enforced. I do feel that an abundance of Speed Enforcement Cameras on non-accident hot spots is a revenue builder and nothing else. Interesting isn't it that on a recent programme where a road was sited for its large amount of accidents caused by - 1) poor road maintainance, 2) inadequate warning signs 3)lack of improvement to the areas which had concerns, the answer from the Govt was " we are prepared to install safety cameras in the effected areas" Do What? speed was not the issue, but rather road widening and lighting with decent signs to warn of sharp corners etc its like talking to a bunch of morons with cloth ears.

If the money raised by the SCAMera partnerships was put into road maintainance rather than into 'private' pockets people would probably be more sympathetic. Latest statistics show a huge rise in revenue but with little or no impact on RTA's, in fact in one area the intoduction of a Camera caused a rise in accidents as some cars were over braking at the camera site and people were having rear enders. Money would be better spent in driver training and awareness than on Cameras. If you compared Croydon with Bromley for instance - you would see a more effective and less taxing method of traffic control, Croydon have a vast amount of cameras- same number of accidents year on year and a bit of revenue to show for it, that and a vast number of speed bumps being installed all over the place to boot.

Bromley however have a few well sited and effective cameras, but they have a passive system, solar powered speed indicators that flash up your speed as you approach informing you if you are speeding, which works better than a camera in slowing people - because it is emminently visible and much more friendly to the motorist- It works. Bromley has a far better RTA record and the numbers are improving year on year, which I think proves a point.

And just to finish off the regulation height for speed bumps is 100mm, if the exceed this they are illegal and the council will have to have them removed if you complain with proof of this. Several people have been successful taking the council to task and seen humps recently installed ripped out.

 

Anyway Ill get orf me soap box now. :nana2: :hyper: ;)

Kenny, that was a mouthfull mate, but yes some good points, especially about the bunch of morons with cloth ears. To them, speed enforcement is the magical answer, re-engineering the road? - no that would involve common sense (and not make money)and that they do not possess!

In reply to you kenny, i have to agree, you come off the motorway at blackpool and the speed camras are polific, this has never been an accident black spot, however accients have increased by almost 30%!! I think this as a case of a popular tourist attraction being exploited by the government for thier own ends, but im also not sure that a demosration woud make any difference at all. After all it didnt do much good for the ruck drivers!!

hang on, your missing the point, if you dont speed then you wont get fined.... its that simple.. the speed limits are the law like them or not, its not flexible. Liek roy has just said, if you break the speed limit then you run the risk of getting caught.. simple!!!

Its like complaining that people get sent to jail if they get caught murdering people.

 

 

 

You're right, the law isn't flexible, but as it stands it doesn't improve road safety one iota and that's very wrong.

At present we have a law that virtually every single motorist in the land breaks. So we all run the risk of being caught and punished with a fine and penalty points every time we drive for doing nothing more than driving safely.

 

It's all very well to say if you dont speed then you wont get fined, but what the hell has that got to do with road safety? 99%+ of people paying their fine were driving safely at the time of being caught on camera, and even if they were driving dangerously they dont get told of it untill two weeks later when the NIP arrives! How about telling them at the time, might prevent an accident?

 

As you may be aware, since the formation of 'Safety Camera Partnerships' and despite all their speed enforcement efforts, the fatality rate on UK roads is now rising after years of decline. More people than ever are now being fined and have penalty points on their licence, the revenue from speeding is colossal, yet the fatality rate doesn't drop?

Obviously, replacing real traffic police officers with mobile camera vans does not work. However it does give the government a cheap, self financing road safety policy, but tragically IT FAILS miserably to prevent deaths on the road.

Safe driving cannot ever be judged by a camera in my opinion. The emphasis should be on making roads safer and lowering the fatality rate rather than nicking the average driver doing an average speed safely which you seem happy to accept scoops/Roy?

 

Comparing a speeding offence to murder is just what they like to hear, you're not a member of Transport2000 are you?

 

I guess it boils down to : if you're happy with things as they are do nothing, or if you want to see the end of SCP's and the end of the camera stealth tax, then make your voice heard.

Personally I dont understand anyone who drives a Z, or similar, who can also "accept" speed cameras.

In towns, by schools etc, OK. But, as has been said already, when they are placed to catch just you for the revenue only. THAT IS WRONG.

I live in Aylesbury, and some months ago 4 cameras got burnt. one was replaced, one was repaired, and two were just removed. If they were so inportant, in terms of location, why were they not all replaced?.

The local police *****rs said in the paper they were a safetly thing as they were all within a mile and half of schools????? Oh, ok then. No one really speeds up after the camera do they? In a mile and a half a diesel Lupo would be able to do at least eighty MPH on a straight road.

And the "vandals" were accused of putting peoples lives at risk because of the risk of the flames catching houses on fire. Nearest house was probably 80 feet away, and the flames would have had to cross a foot path and short grass.

By the way Captain Gatso claimed his men did them.

You break the law you pay the penalty, its not a hard concept to understand. I'm not saying that speed kills or that the police use the cameras etc for revenue but thats beside the point. Its socially acceptable to speed, I do ALOT:D but I dont moan when I get caught either. Its my choice I know I am doing wrong and whether you agree with the fines, cameras etc doesnt matter at all.

 

We all get on our high horse when REAL criminals get off and whinge about their sentences etc. BUT if we break the law "its just not fair" . FFS we arnt kids anymore and it makes me laugh every time someone moans about getting nicked speeding. We have very tolerant laws really compared to other countries so keep on moaning and see what happens? It could be alot alot worse guys:D

You break the law you pay the penalty, its not a hard concept to understand. I'm not saying that speed kills or that the police use the cameras etc for revenue but thats beside the point. Its socially acceptable to speed, I do ALOT:D but I dont moan when I get caught either. Its my choice I know I am doing wrong and whether you agree with the fines, cameras etc doesnt matter at all.

 

We all get on our high horse when REAL criminals get off and whinge about their sentences etc. BUT if we break the law "its just not fair" . FFS we arnt kids anymore and it makes me laugh every time someone moans about getting nicked speeding. We have very tolerant laws really compared to other countries so keep on moaning and see what happens? It could be alot alot worse guys:D

 

fair point , but blowing up speed cameras does seem to be a lot fun :smash:

Hmm, well the new traffic signs on the M4 have a camera on every one - about one every 1/2 mile , .......... ;)

 

Kenny, they are not actually speed cameras mate. They are for traffic flow etc.

 

I can personally guarantee this, as since their installation last year I have driven along this stretch, whilst empty, at anywhere between 95 and 1**mph on several occasions and not received one summons through the post. :nono:

 

There was a thread about this last year, as many thought they were the new "specs" cameras.

 

Oh, I agree with BigRoy here. You break the law at your own risk, however I do think that cameras should only be sited solely for accident prevention and not blatant revenue earning. All traps, fixed or mobile, should be easily visible too because surely the idea is to prevent speeding in the first place not just catching those after the event.

 

Richard :cool:

Oh, I agree with BigRoy here. You break the law at your own risk, however I do think that cameras should only be sited solely for accident prevention and not blatant revenue earning. All traps, fixed or mobile, should be easily visible too because surely the idea is to prevent speeding in the first place not just catching those after the event.

 

Richard :cool:

 

 

But that's what the protest is all about, blatant revenue raising.

Apparently, even Brunstrom has seen the light!!

but if you didnt speed and break the law there wouldnt be any revenue and the cameras would disappear as if by magic:)

but if you didnt speed and break the law there wouldnt be any revenue and the cameras would disappear as if by magic:)

 

 

Nice idea Roy, but we're talking about the real world here :-)

 

That idea wouldn't work anyway, because as sure as eggs are eggs, the speed limits would be lowered and lowered untill they made sure the camera revenue could be continued.

or ban personal cars! :D

Some official has now said, today I think, that speed cameras cause traffic jams too. The prob is too many, wrong locations, for the wrong reasons. AND they are dishonest too, buy that I mean when they change the speeed limit and place a camera the same day etc etc.

The M4 cameras maybe for traffic information, but that did not stop the ones on the M25 having thier footage being used for prosecuting motorists, you only have to see Police Camera Action to see where it eventually ends up. Still its good to know, and I stand corrected. But what makes my blood boil is that the Govnmt seem intent on forcing everyone but the very rich off the road yet dont provide any kind of adequate cost effective public transport system to get us from a-b. To use my gas guzzling Z costs me about 30p per mile , public transport would cost me between £5 and £12 per day depending which branch I worked at , car still wins hands down, & I dont have to sit on an uncomfortable seat jammed packed like a sardine, I can listen to my own taste in audio, keep warm and dry and fart when I like :wack: . Ken Livingstone has a long way to go to win me over. :tongue:

As Ben Franklin said in 1789, there are two things certain in this world: death and taxes. Get used to it!

 

Don't speed on the public highway and you won't get caught. What's the problem with that?

 

Learn how to drive fast and well and you will lessen your chances of being caught - and improve your chances of good treatment should you be unlucky enough to get pulled.

 

Invest in a speed camera indicator and you too will know where the police / local authority think there is an accident black spot which needs extra care. And when that device warns you to take extra care, heed the warning.

 

If you want to speed deliberately and consistently, either do it in Germany, the Isle of Man or on a trackday - but ffs stop whinging if you do it on the public highway. You know the rules, the only question is are you intelligent to use them to your advantage. :D

yes, yes, yes .......................... but its not fair!!!!!! LOL

yes, yes, yes .......................... but its not fair!!!!!! LOL

 

THERE IS NO JUSTICE... THERE'S JUST US hahaha

 

(now watch me get my first ever speeding points... :rofl: )

Invest in a speed camera indicator and you too will know where the police / local authority think there is an accident black spot which needs extra care. And when that device warns you to take extra care, heed the warning.

 

If you want to speed deliberately and consistently, either do it in Germany, the Isle of Man or on a trackday - but ffs stop whinging if you do it on the public highway. You know the rules, the only question is are you intelligent to use them to your advantage. :D

 

 

Please tell me why then, they are going to ban radar detectors? Legislation will be coming soon. GPS based detectors will still be legal but that's only on a technicality they cant get around...yet.

 

Speed deliberately and consistently?? LOL any such person deserves what they may get I agree, but you're obviously missing the point that the massive majority of speeding fines are being paid by the average motorist who gets nicked when travelling at an ordinary every day safe speed. That has absolutely nothing to do with making roads safer, but everything to do with enforcing a draconian law for the laws sake, not to mention a very nice financial gain.

I cannot understand how you can support that. It doesn't improve road safety one iota. Only real traffic police officers can do that by using their discretion and not nicking safe drivers like the so called safety camera partnerships do.

Learn how to drive fast and well and you will lessen your chances of being caught - and improve your chances of good treatment should you be unlucky enough to get pulled.

 

:D

 

And that is exactly my point!

I can assure you, you wont get ant good treatment / discretion at all from a speed camera.

Trev, I agree with you. This is not about "speeding" in isolation. Its about unfair laws being enforced for reasons other than the law's intended aims, ie, safer roads. Anyway, we have some of the safest roads now.

Its not a carrot and stick, It just a big stick.

This Blair government reminds me of the old communists, in Moscow they had their own private lanes to use on the roads. Everything is fair for all of us, its just that Blair and co have things even fairer for themselves. Need I mention TWO JAGS? (Prestcot) And dont start me on Gypsies/travelers/didecoys etc...