Does any one know much about workers rights.

 

Our department is going to go 24 hours soon. We have heard nothing officially through writing or via a department meeting, just things said to individual people.

 

Our contracts are going to be changed but the management does not want HR to be involved and want it done quickly.

 

Today our department had a meeting about what is going on. Basically we have only been given a job title and a provisonal time table to work with. A time table which will really effect our lives. Crappy hours and hours which will mean I wont see the misses for 4-5 days on the trot.

 

The meeting only involved our department, but we where told by management that they wanted to see the minutes of the meeting the next day.

Are management allowed to demand to see minutes?

 

Stuart

if you or anyone is in a union, get them on board!

Our contracts are going to be changed but the management does not want HR to be involved and want it done quickly

 

 

I think you can legaly insist on having HR there and they have to let you know your rights.*

 

Does kinda mark you out as a trouble maker unless everyone does it though.

 

 

 

*Let me check this first

I think you can legaly insist on having HR there and they have to let you know your rights.*

 

Does kinda mark you out as a trouble maker unless everyone does it though.

 

 

 

*Let me check this first

 

 

Some one in our dep is very good friends with some one in HR, and they are shocked that we have been told that they dont want HR to be involved.

 

Every one has signed up to the union at the meeting. So that will help.

Wont see the misses for 4-5 days on the trot... hmmm could be a good thing :-)

 

Nah, if they're gonna go 24 hrs , unless you can pick your shifts I think you're gonna have to grin and bear it unfortunately mate. It's better than them farming the work out to India or something I guess.

Wont see the misses for 4-5 days on the trot... hmmm could be a good thing :-)

 

Nah, if they're gonna go 24 hrs , unless you can pick your shifts I think you're gonna have to grin and bear it unfortunately mate. It's better than them farming the work out to India or something I guess.

 

Unless the can have a setup where 1 person can fix several crashing computer systems at once from 6 thousand miles away, they can go for it. Plus betting is not an industry which will make do with a slower and poorer service. People will just phone another bookies. Its not like they are tied down to them like banks are. ;)

They tried to put betting firms off shore but it didnt work.

 

Its not the fact we are going 24 hours, we are not complaining about that. I am more worried about management TELLING us not to go to HR when HR should be the first department involved in contract changes. To the point when contacts in HR have told us they are not allowed to do that.

 

I am worried the fact managers are demanding minutes of meetings which dont involve them. I dont ask for minutes for their meetings which they have every week.

Sprae, Your HR dept needs to be involved, depending on your contract of employment, or terms and conditions of employment, your management should not be able to just change your hours of employment without some sort of notice. If you've signed up to a union, the Full Time Officer, should be able to sort it out.

What union have you signed up to??

By the way, your management have no rights to see any minuites of meetings, or any conversations you may have, remember, they are the ones trying to push this through, what makes you think for one second that they are going to play by the rules, they are not!!

I have been in talks with my bosses regarding Xmas working since Sept 14th, finally got a result today!! And not before they tried to move the Bank Hols to Xmas day/ Boxing day, to Sat/Sun!! instead of Mon/Tues, like the rest of the WORLD!!!

Thanks Shunter,

 

Im in the T&G.

 

They want these changes to go through as soon as possible, Ie in a few months.

I said that could play into our hands as they want the changes now and the Union will drag things out to make sure its done correclty.

T+G's The one to be in mate, as you may have guessed im a steward for them myself, let me know who your FTO is, and what region your in

to change a contract of employment they have to give you 1 weeks notice for every year you have worked for them, unless you aggree to it. i would of thought HR would need to be involved as they are the one's that right the contract's. if they give you a new contract that you don't aggree with you must put down your differance's in writing.ASAP. just not signing the contract does'nt mean you don't aggree. after five week's it is taken as accepted signed or not, unless they is opposition to it in writing.

hope that make's sence

acas No. 0845 747474 these are quick answer independant people for both side's

untill you get the proposed changes in writing , there is nothing to complain about except rumor's. just seems to be a case of wait and see. It may work out for the better or may not,hope it goes well for your anyway

Stu, in relation to shift work don't forget health and safety issues regarding time off between shifts comes into play, also better shift enhancement payments too then there is addidtional payment for working a 24 shift pattern as opposed to say a pattern that covers for example a split 16 hours shift working a day. No managers can see your minutes either as shunter said.

I also work as CAT regional trade district officer and attend meetings regular at T+G headquarters in Manchester, if yer need any help, drop me a line.

In short though, call in the T+G rep for your area asap

cheers

smithy

Ahh bookies :-) interesting job, so which one d'you work for?

Didnt most of the phone / internet bookies operate from abroad ( Gibralta?) up untill 2 years ago when they scrapped the tax here? I think SJ still do partly.

Any tips welcome btw..

Sorry Im no help, just curious.

Stuart

 

I dont want to dampen anything with regards unions as I am a member of Amicus-AEEU, but within the last year my work has sacked 1 guy and forced 1 guy to resign all because the Fat Controller doesnt like them...nothing else. They both had union backing but my mate Chas who was sacked ended up going to a Independant Employment lawyer and he's now in legal proceedings against my work, he was advised to go to ACAS to get a settlement by the union lawyer.....his employment lawyer said no because he has a better case to go to court against my work as he has a good case..

 

The 2nd instance I know about is related to changing contracts again the guys at a local Bus Works went against union advice, basically what happened was the guys who have worked for the Bus Company were to be sub contracted to my work under the same conditions they had.....flat rate pay no overtime rates and not even the rate i get for the same job title....again the union tried to get them to accept.....they all chipped in 30 quid i think it was to get an Independant Employment Lawyer for advice.....now that deal is scrubbed as the guys were advised to sign nothing and reject the deal...

 

I dont mean to bad mouth unions etc but it might be worth getting independant advice as I was saying....

 

Enough warbling from me...time for a beer..

 

Cheers John Crisp

to change a contract of employment they have to give you 1 weeks notice for every year you have worked for them, unless you aggree to it. i would of thought HR would need to be involved as they are the one's that right the contract's. if they give you a new contract that you don't aggree with you must put down your differance's in writing.ASAP. just not signing the contract does'nt mean you don't aggree. after five week's it is taken as accepted signed or not, unless they is opposition to it in writing.

hope that make's sence

acas No. 0845 747474 these are quick answer independant people for both side's

 

Says it all really Stuart.

 

You must be notified of any changes to your contract and you must then object to the SPECIFIC changes you don't accept in writing ASAP.

 

The rest of the contract will stand apart from the disputed part until resolved.

 

Richard :smw: