I see those scumbags have killed one of the american hostages, cut his head off, *******s.. makes my blood boil.....

 

2 eyes for an eye, lets play them at their own game ......those women they want freeing?.. lets shoot them!!!!

When there is a war of any kind Innocents always suffer FACT....

 

People who wan't to get out of the crap can't .. they live with it everyone day of their lives. Yes, terrorists only understand violence .. they live by it ... and the only way to combat it is with increased violence. FACT.

 

No .. not all muslims are terrorists .. just the fanatics ... and they should be hunted down and delt with ...

all terrorists are muslims

 

I think the IRA/Basque Seperatists/etc might have something to say about that..

I think the IRA/Basque Seperatists/etc might have something to say about that..

 

Exactly ... Don't get me started on this .... Three of my mates were killed by the PIRA ... in one week .... fookin ****s

I think the IRA/Basque Seperatists/etc might have something to say about that..

 

i think i could have bet a couple of million that someone would play with the words, but i'll bet the lot on the next bomb going off in the world is planted by a muslim group

I agree that the killing of these hostages is wrong, any decent person would.

BUT, what about when we all watched the beginning of the war in Iraq, when we were shown the bombing by the planes (Shock & Orr), there were innocent people being killed by the bombs aswell as iraqi soldiers. These people we call terrorists in Iraq did not exist until after the war. OK, we got rid of Saddam, but who put Saddam in power to start off with, Yep thats right America, who used to fund the IRA, yep America. Lets be honest here, this is not about freedom, it is about power, money and personal gain, Operation (O) Iraqi (I) Liberation (L), what does that mean...OIL. Many people blame Islam for all this trouble and war, but how come that most of the wars around the world have direct or indirect contact with the big USA.

 

No Offence intended to anyone.....But it's good to hear both sides.

 

CheerZ

These people we call terrorists in Iraq did not exist until after the war.

 

??might have misunderstood you but sept 11th was deffo before the war

and for years al queda has been planting bombs??

Can we kill them all? If we could that would be one way out but I don't know if it's possible.

 

Can we show them violence is not the way and "rise above it"? I don't know if we can do that either. They may have gone too far.

 

I think we should have stayed out of it but it's too late for that now.

 

I feel so sorry and such respect for anyone involved or who has been involved in the fighting against terrorism.

i think i could have bet a couple of million that someone would play with the words, but i'll bet the lot on the next bomb going off in the world is planted by a muslim group

 

I didn't 'play' with your words at all, what you said was simply incorrect, that's all.

 

??might have misunderstood you but sept 11th was deffo before the war and for years al queda has been planting bombs??

 

I see you bought right in to all the western propoganda then. Where's the link between Iraq and Al Quaeda? Lots of speculation from various parties, but no actual evidence of links. Rather like the evidence of WMDs, really.

15 saudi arabians flew planes into 3 AMERICAN buildings on september the 11th 2001

 

why this was used as justification for our troops to otherthrow sadaam hussein I do not know. Well I do, its political, religion is just a mask, at the end of the day a few people want more power and its the innocents that suffer.

 

Discussion and diplomacy won't sort these people out, they need a gun barrel shoved down their throat, it's the only thing they fully understand.

 

"An eye for an eye,

and the whole world goes blind"

 

a the rate of decline in the arab world, there isn't going to be much for us and our children to see very soon :(

 

Mike the whole point of the Iraq war was to show the Arab world that the west or at least America, Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland, Finland, Australia and Bulgaria will not permit terrorism to go unchecked. The Turks wanted to settle a few old scores but were not allowed (more fools us) so got awkward and wouldn't let Allied forces invade from Turkey. Lets be honest the funding, Manpower, location for training, protection and equipment are all being supplied be the Arab states.

 

We were to show them that we would destroy any who we found habouring Terror training camps etc and Sadman was going to be the example.

 

As usual thought the do goody French and Germans etc started making lots of Do Goody noises the rest of the world said American imperialisum!!! and the Politicians start panicing and tell the Army's to avoid killing people, or kill gently, but no children, cats, dogs, one eyed men with hooks for hands and you carn't bomb that place or do that etc. Result a complete mess. The objective of scaring the shit out of them has been nullified because of Political impetance and Hey presto. If the Armed forces had been left to do the job as they wish without the involvement of political squeamishness, Things would be far more settled by now.

 

As to the quote about its about Weastern or American control of oil. I ask the question who other than the Saudi's will profit?

 

Oh yeh why Sadman?

 

Well because the country wasn't producing much oil it wouldn't distrupt those nice French and Germans too much and it might make Iran more friendly (Yeh right) because they also think Sadman was an unpleasant fellow. Most importantly It was right on the doorstep of Saudi (Biggest customer of US, British, French and German arms manufacturers) so they would see the might that will fall on them if we catch them at what we believe is their true stance, but as I said its been so politicaly tamed so that it hasn't worried em at all.

I see you bought right in to all the western propoganda then. Where's the link between Iraq and Al Quaeda? Lots of speculation from various parties, but no actual evidence of links. Rather like the evidence of WMDs, really.

 

i bought into **** all, i made me own mind up,

and personally i couldnt give a rats arse whether they found wmd or not

the troops are there now so lets get the job finished, and ignore the tree huggers, 'cos while we listen to the maby pamby views and softly softly approach, our troops are being murdered by cowards, and hostages who went to iraq to try and build a better life for them, are being executed,

as has been said many times all the protestors who believe the war is so wrong, why did we never hear from them when saddam was murdering millions??

 

cos there was no mileage to it, and marching through london BECAUSE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO, i never saw any of them organising a march through iraq????

 

it's obvious you have your views, but don't tell me where i got mine from

 

it seriously worries me when people say things like

"I agree that the killing of these hostages is wrong, any decent person would.

BUT"

I see you bought right in to all the western propoganda then. Where's the link between Iraq and Al Quaeda? Lots of speculation from various parties, but no actual evidence of links. Rather like the evidence of WMDs, really.

 

You mean Like theTwin Towers?, Pentagon?, failed attempt on Whitehouse?, Barli Night club?, the Moscow Apartment Blocks?, the Holiday Inn in Nigeria?, The American Embassy in Nigeria?, Cinama in Moscow? or perhaps the School in Russia?.

 

Where should we have started then? Or should we just not have followed those American Imperialist in there and done nothing. We could all be like you then and have a laugh a those Imperial American soldiers and aid workers getting blown up and killed as they almost certainly from you point of view deserve it.

What kind of fu*kwit are you perhaps you could nip over there and sort it.

 

Oh and while you out there just ask those nice chaps with the guns and kitchen knives. Ya know the ones who are so devoted to their cause that they wear masks so that they cannot be recogised. I though they were religious crusaders proud of their work in Ala's name. You'd better be quick though because we know how busy they are cutting heads off. What country they are from and if their own admitions of being linked the Al Quaeda Amass etc are true or are they really American properganda actervists.

 

:xxx:

Iraq was invaded because bushs dad didn't finish the job and didn't get his second term.

 

libyia, north korea, afghanistan,

 

All of these are still jobs not done properly, and yes wars do have to be justified, the fact there were no WMDs means this war was not justified, otherwise our soldiers are sent to their deaths for lies.

 

What happens when they come for you with an unjustified war?

 

I agree with aaron, speculation led to this war, correct justification and reasoning was needed, even if that was "he is a bad man who tried to kill my daddy"

 

Blair made the best slip up over the whole war when he said

 

"weapons of mass distraction" in a speech.

 

what are the odds him and bush had been throwing this joke around for a while??

 

I agree sadaam needed to go, but I do not agree with the political process that led to the war.

Mike the whole point of the Iraq war was to show the Arab world that the west or at least America, Britain, Italy, Spain, Poland, Finland, Australia and Bulgaria will not permit terrorism to go unchecked. The Turks wanted to settle a few old scores but were not allowed (more fools us) so got awkward and wouldn't let Allied forces invade from Turkey. Lets be honest the funding, Manpower, location for training, protection and equipment are all being supplied be the Arab states.

 

We were to show them that we would destroy any who we found habouring Terror training camps etc and Sadman was going to be the example.

 

As usual thought the do goody French and Germans etc started making lots of Do Goody noises the rest of the world said American imperialisum!!! and the Politicians start panicing and tell the Army's to avoid killing people, or kill gently, but no children, cats, dogs, one eyed men with hooks for hands and you carn't bomb that place or do that etc. Result a complete mess. The objective of scaring the shit out of them has been nullified because of Political impetance and Hey presto. If the Armed forces had been left to do the job as they wish without the involvement of political squeamishness, Things would be far more settled by now.

 

As to the quote about its about Weastern or American control of oil. I ask the question who other than the Saudi's will profit?

 

Oh yeh why Sadman?

 

Well because the country wasn't producing much oil it wouldn't distrupt those nice French and Germans too much and it might make Iran more friendly (Yeh right) because they also think Sadman was an unpleasant fellow. Most importantly It was right on the doorstep of Saudi (Biggest customer of US, British, French and German arms manufacturers) so they would see the might that will fall on them if we catch them at what we believe is their true stance, but as I said its been so politicaly tamed so that it hasn't worried em at all.

 

 

I know why we went to war and the reasons behind it, I agree with the war if it helps the people of iraq out. I don't like the fact that OUR goverment and the USA goverment tried to pullthe wool over our eyes in order to justify this.

You mean Like theTwin Towers?, Pentagon?, failed attempt on Whitehouse?, Barli Night club?, the Moscow Apartment Blocks?, the Holiday Inn in Nigeria?, The American Embassy in Nigeria?, Cinama in Moscow? or perhaps the School in Russia?.

 

And all of those are evidence linking Iraq to Al Quaeda? Uhh, ok. Do try and actually follow my post and get the point, sadly it must have flown straight over your head.

 

We could all be like you then and have a laugh a those Imperial American soldiers and aid workers getting blown up and killed as they almost certainly from you point of view deserve it.

 

Who says I'm laughing at anything? I most certainly am not. What they have done to the hostages is despicable, the fact that the allied troops (because it's not just Americans getting blown up afterall) are being slowly killed is terrible, certainly no laughing matter.

 

Can you point me to one thing I said where I stated any kind of support for the actions of any terrorists? I highly doubt you can, given I do not support them in any way whatsoever. So why do you say that I think the allied troops deserve to be killed?

 

What kind of fu*kwit are you perhaps you could nip over there and sort it.

 

And perhaps you could pull your head out of your arse.

 

:xxx:

 

Yep, you are, aren't you.

 

Once more, for the slow ones:

 

I don't support terrorists of any kind, be they Al Quaeda, Basque Seperatists, Taliban, the IRA, etc.

 

I don't believe our troops should be getting killed.

 

I DO believe Saddam needed to be got rid of, however we should have done it 13 years ago, the first time it all kicked off. We should have gone in and done the job, just like most of the armed forces on the ground - including my father - wanted to do, instead of which we pussyfooted around thanks to lousy command from the people at the top on various sides.

 

But I also have a problem with people spouting crud that is blatantly and factually incorrect, much like the "all terrorists are muslims" quote from earlier.

****in hell isn't this all gettin a bit personal?

Come on you lot, lets just agree that the scum cutting off heads in Iraq are a bunch of C**TS and leave it at that.

Come on you lot, lets just agree that the scum cutting off heads in Iraq are a bunch of C**TS and leave it at that.

 

100% SPOT ON Now I will lock this thread as it is getting out of control.