On radio this morning - there is supposed to be a new gun which can catch u speeding a mile away ! Apparently it's to stop those who slow down just for cameras !GGGRRRR!

 

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/

If caught with a jammer you need to show you have a "proper" use for it. Also the laser gun shows up as "fault" so the old bill suspect something, and if you are the only car they are pointing at they get upset.

The better ones jam once and then switch off, to hide sort of, having done their job.

It was all on TV a few weeks ago.

If caught with a jammer you need to show you have a "proper" use for it. Also the laser gun shows up as "fault" so the old bill suspect something, and if you are the only car they are pointing at they get upset.

The better ones jam once and then switch off, to hide sort of, having done their job.

It was all on TV a few weeks ago.

 

Weren't we all told that Speed Cameras were to prevent accidents on accident black spots? IF I remember rightly that is the only reason they were given approval in the first place, because human rights groups claimrd that they were an infringement of human rights.

 

So can anyone tell me how, if police can site a camera with sufficiently clear a view as to be able to take a picture of you from a mile away how could this constrewed a accident blackspot. If you can see clearly for a mile surely the car and driver skills should determine what is a safe speed. This is just an outrageously blatant scam to cream off more money for the Chancelor and put more people off the roads.

 

The speed limits were set in the 50's FFS Have any of you guys driven a 1962 Zepha or a 1963 Humber Hawk or Ford pop. These things would be real scary to drive at 60mph on A roads and at 70mph on some of our notorways and dual carridgeways. JMMOG this is just bollcocks and the whole thing needs a review and the motoring clubs and organisations of this country need to get organised and lobby.

 

Maybe its time the Monster Raving loony Party had their chance because they carn't be anywhere near as loony as the Flucking Tw@ts we've had in power for the last 20years

 

Rant over and I'm going to the radar detector shop

 

So can anyone tell me how, if police can site a camera with sufficiently clear a view as to be able to take a picture of you from a mile away how could this constrewed a accident blackspot. If you can see clearly for a mile surely the car and driver skills should determine what is a safe speed. This is just an outrageously blatant scam to cream off more money for the Chancelor and put more people off the roads.

 

 

 

That is a very good point. They said speed cameras are there to slow you down and not to just give you fines. If there is an accident black spot a mile away surely the poilce should be present at this location encouraging people to slow down, and not sitting a mile away counting the money and waiting for an accident.

Perversion of the course of justice takes the form of one of three acts:

 

Fabrication or disposal of evidence

Intimidating a witness or juror

Threatening a witness or juror

 

can't see any of the above applying?

 

The applicable law is "Obstructing a police officer in the course of his duty" which I think you would definately fall foul of with a jammer..

 

Steve

The applicable law is "Obstructing a police officer in the course of his duty" which I think you would definately fall foul of with a jammer..

 

Steve

 

still a grey area m8

 

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/jamlaw.htm

 

also technically if you flash another motorist to warn them of a speed camera

you COULD be done for perverting the course of justice

 

but

2. Obstruction of a police officer in the course of his duty (section 89(2) Police Act 1996). The crucial thing here is that the cop must be acting in the course of his duty. This does not mean everything a cop does. For example if you are told to move and you refuse, you cannot then be obstructing a police officer in the course of his duty if there was no law requiring you to move in the first place

 

make sense of this if you can

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/96016--i.htm

 

 

as i said earlier i would NOT let a magistrate kangaroo court decide my guilt

would they let it go forward to a crown court in front of a jury costing thousands? as SRRAE states to pervert the course of justice there needs to be an offence in the first place, the "garage opener" is installed in the car and automatically jams the signal (the lcd 100) the older one you DO jam it, so maybe theres a case there,

 

its similar to many of us who have cd/dvd writers, when are you breaching copyright? the old chesnut if you own the original you can copy it etc

a guy last year produced software to get round software protection, and was aquitted because he only distributed the software, and he wasn't copying this stuff

 

you can fly down the motorway and not display a number plate, get fined

no points, the law is an ass, so jammer here i come, until they tell me im gonna get jailed for it or receive a harsher penalty than being caught exceeding the out of date speed limits

That is a very good point. They said speed cameras are there to slow you down and not to just give you fines. .

 

Exactly. I recall all the debait that went on just to past a bill for there use. I feel the original bill and its wording do not allow this latest development and I going to request a copy.

 

The against stated,- that under section Bla Bla of the human rights treaty. That covert Policing (which cameras are) are an infringement of human rights and tantamount to entrapment because, 1) The majoraty of the general public does not have sufficient meens either through expertese or fiscal meens of purchasing the expertese to understand the principals of how the mechanisums work. So they are therefore denied an ability to present a sound argument. ie (is that peice of kit set up properly, being operated properly, can false readings be obtained by incorrect use or installation operation etc. Was it operated correctly that day and by whom. Can we dismantell and check that equipment with or own expert and so on)

2) Majustrates are lay people and are also technically so encumbered and therefore rely entirely upon the evidence of the prosecuting body without fully understanding the technicalities of the equipment used to gain the evidence. This is hardly a fair system for prescribing justise. ( who polices the police or decides who operates and collates the devices and do they have any kind of vested (wether political,personal or financial) interest in the net results of their use)

3)The hole object of visable Police patrol cars (Police force) is to act as a deterant. That is the main purpose of patroling, because they cannot act until a law has been broken.

 

The for- (and this is how the bill was past so as not to contravene the bill of human rights that superceeds all laws of this Land)

1) Cameras were only to be used within "I think its 400mtrs" of an accident black spot to prevent unessary Death and Injury.

2) That they were to be sign posted in order that people new to slow down or they would pay the consequences.

3) They would not be used as a means of revenue collection.

 

Insist on going to crown court and ask the questions because no machine is infalable and you can only be procecuited on a point of Law and there must be no cause for doubt. Never own up or you have given your writes away and will proberbly get done for a none offence. Believe me it happens everyday.

 

I hereby rest my case members of the jury and put to you that the very use of these Cameras and the manner in which other devices are being used by the Police is against the Law. Not only of this country, but also of the European Court of Human Rights and that of the United Nations. Therefore you must find the officers of the state guilty of a grave miscarrage of justice.

I can get the Snooper SLD920x at a good price if anyone is interested. Top laser jammer with 2 heads that fit under your number plate. I know they work as i`ve fitted a couple for Snooper reps then tested them with their laser gun.

 

Bob

I think the area covered as an accident blackspot has been expanded to a 1.5 mile radius of the actual so-called blackspot, ie. a 3 mile stretch of road.

Also the police guidelines state that an officer should have reasonable suspicion that a vehicle is exceeding the speed limit before he can target it with a laser gun. Thats impossible from 1 mile away. Ba5tards.

We all know camera partnerships flout all the guidelines and twist all the accident statistics to suit themselves, they can do what ever they want because the government 's making money out of it and 90% of people pay up without a fight. They now employ statiticians and P.R people as they have so much of our cash to re-invest in ensuring their scam continues. They lie through their teeth because their jobs depend on it. I wouldnt p1ss on them if they were on fire.

I only hope the Tories get in and stick to their word of abolishing them.

Trouble is loads of people are losing their licence's and jobs right now, especially lorry drivers who exceed 40 on an 'A' road ... what a joke!

 

Bob, how much are the SLD920X going for ?

 

Cheers,

A long time ago, when radar guns were first inroduced I was a friend of a traffic cop, he told me that the home office, ( I think) said they would not be used in the dark. This also got "lost" with the other promises on when they would. would not, etc etc use these devices. Its all crap and we can do nothing legal about it.

A long time ago, when radar guns were first inroduced I was a friend of a traffic cop, he told me that the home office, ( I think) said they would not be used in the dark. This also got "lost" with the other promises on when they would. would not, etc etc use these devices. Its all crap and we can do nothing legal about it.

 

Yes we could but as fooking usual the Brits are good at moaning and then fall in line. You can all call those snail gobbling basteds across the water but if they don't like it they protest and stop the country until the govenment say sorry and take it away. There are about a thousand bloody car forums in this country and on everyone they're bitching about this. We need to get organised and join forces with the fuel protestors and Lorrydrivers. Then we could get these thing abollished. It there is enough people shouting governments listen or their History.

 

Up the Revelution :hyper:

 

Free the Overton 2

 

Seriously start acting and stop moaning we could win if people would make the effort. Time and time again though people say yes and I've lead the charge only to end up on my jack jones with nothing to hold onto but what God gave me. Someone get a poll going then contact other forums.

Trouble you've got though is that for every driver that wants to see the back of speed cameras etc, you've got 5 badly educated mums/old folks etc that really do believe speeding is a major crime.....

Trouble you've got though is that for every driver that wants to see the back of speed cameras etc, you've got 5 badly educated mums/old folks etc that really do believe speeding is a major crime.....

 

Speeding in the wrong places is a crime. When I see some of the idiots in their scooby doos etc flying round town and past schools etc then I believe that we could realisticly manage without them. I don't want one of those funking nutters killing my kids and in this instance I feel there is an argument for Cameras. However Deaths to Pedestrians, children and the majority of drivers killed. Does not happen on open Roads and Motorways with clear fields of visibilty. They happen on blind bends, cross roads and junctions, outside schools and comunity centres and quite frankly if you are blasting into those situations and putting other inocent peoples lives in danger then you need removing from the highways.

 

The use of cameras and new supa doopa devices are not being used to catch irresponsible tw@ts and make the roads safer for all, but act as government cash machines. So lobbied properly you would bring these people on board and set some black and white rules on how and where such devices can be used.

Which is exactly what I was trying to say.... But I made no sense what so ever :D

yep schools etc ive no problem siting cameras

how many times have you seen the local knobheads roaring past schools

or high streets to get their jollys off, cos all the kids will look at them?

and i'll bet even the kids say DICKHEADDDDDDDDDDDD

 

what makes me laugh is the road angel has a blackspot detector, and NOT ONCE when it's bleeped in one of those areas has there been a camera??

HULLO accident areas should = camera

My detector beeps away most of the time these days on radar and shop doorways but the laser warning was one rarely saw till recently. I am very aware now and even yesterday was "lit up" by a parked van that I'd already spotted. The detector goes mental. It lasts only a second and if I'd been speeding it would merely have served to let me know I was already nicked. Straight section of open country road with light traffic, no kids, cows or sheep but just the sort of place you might be tempted to go a bit quicker on. So I guess he had grounds to suspect me of wanting to exceed the limit because the car was red?

 

Coming to the suburbs to enforce the 30 would be more useful but not so much fun.

No sensible person can argue against cameras in town, schools etc. But there is no way to stop the government other than mass objection or mass damaging of the cameras not in town.

As has been said if all the forums got together this would be a lot of voices but I feel the government will still ignore us. Why? Because they can, and do, and get away with it.

Hopefully they'll only be getting away with it for another year,

then we can do some mass objecting on the ballot paper.

Hopefully they'll only be getting away with it for another year,

then we can do some mass objecting on the ballot paper.

 

Yeah, it's a shame there's no "Labour but without Straw and Blunkett" option!

Yeah, it's a shame there's no "Labour but without Straw and Blunkett" option!

 

What and keep Blair, Brown and Prescott? Do you get the same news the rest of the country gets in Bolton?

What and keep Blair, Brown and Prescott? Do you get the same news the rest of the country gets in Bolton?

 

Uh-oh... politics on a web forum... danger! danger!

 

Prezza keeps it old-school, Brown is better than he looks because the rest of the party spend their time making him look bad, and Blair is irrelevant.

 

I've been disenfranchised anyway - managed to send me a council tax bill and strangely NOT a polling card. How does that work then?

Easy, they want your money but dont care what you say.

Polititions are only interesred in their own futures. When we elect them they've got 4 years to ream off as much as possible and get on as many board of directors etc as possible. They don't give a flying as to what hapens really. If they did they'd have a vission or objectives as to where the contry should be and how to get there. Instead they just react to who ever shouts loudest. First past the post system is not domocratic and history has show us the only time effective parliments are co-alitions because the best people get picked for the job irrespective of politcal cread or colour.

So get shouting and get me in power, :mad: by god you'd all know about it :shock: :shock: :cry:

:hyper: Dude tell me more

 

LMFAO, sorry mate, had to reply...your sig is the best! PMSL! Is it every Z owners lot that they just own the car but don't drive the MO FO??? :)

 

Class!