I will, for the fee of £29.99 give all of the pro's secrets.

 

This will be of special interest to Nelson!

 

All of the secrets are 100% genuine (I have undertaken extensive research by reading Flex and Muscle and Fitness Magazine) and will result in great gains.

 

I am now a Doctor having taken a exam in Hypnotherapy but will market myself as a Clinical Doctor as it sounds much more impressive.

 

:D

 

Buy my Snake Oil! It works, honest, guv!

how much was it?

incredible how cynical you lot are !!

 

ironic really that Mentzer was far from cynical :(

 

your loss I guess

your LOSS

 

- in case you didn't understand;)

Originally posted by BigRoy

Mike lost money because 1. He was off his nut on amphetamines and 2. even when he wasnt he refused to kiss arse infact he was a prat IMHO. This guy thought he was God! No really!

 

 

who poisoned your mind against him ??

 

you are talkin' horse $hit man ! go and READ the website or the book and stop talkin drivel

Here's a quote from this thread: http://tinyurl.com/h46i

 

"Mentzer is just mentally ill and did not train HIT when he was competing either. I saw him do a chest workout in 1978 when he was at his peak and he did at least 20 sets for chest."

 

Another quote from http://tinyurl.com/h478 : "Mentzer trained conventional style, hitting 3 hours per day, 6 days per week training by the time he was 19, starting at age 12. He progressed in training volume over this 7 year period. By his own admission, he weighed 250 lbs by the time he was 17 (5'7'' inches tall), and could squat 600 lbs"

 

At what point did he make vast gains using HIT?

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

who poisoned your mind against him ??

 

you are talkin' horse $hit man ! go and READ the website or the book and stop talkin drivel

 

 

 

it often amazes me how the microsoft manuals and website often RAVE about the use of linux :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dave Marley

Here's a quote from this thread: http://tinyurl.com/h46i

 

"Mentzer is just mentally ill and did not train HIT when he was competing either. I saw him do a chest workout in 1978 when he was at his peak and he did at least 20 sets for chest."

 

Another quote from http://tinyurl.com/h478 : "Mentzer trained conventional style, hitting 3 hours per day, 6 days per week training by the time he was 19, starting at age 12. He progressed in training volume over this 7 year period. By his own admission, he weighed 250 lbs by the time he was 17 (5'7'' inches tall), and could squat 600 lbs"

 

At what point did he make vast gains using HIT?

 

and that's reliable info ???? - go look at the testimonials on the following...

 

http://www.mikementzer.com

 

eg. Thanks to Heavy Duty II: Mind and Body, my training has progressed in leaps and bounds over my previous "volume approach", which I had been blindly following. When HD2 arrived, I stayed up all night and read it from cover to cover. It was simply amazing. The first thing I realised about this book was that it just made sense - you knew it would work before you even tried it. I was so excited to get started on the HD2 program that I could hardly sleep! I have gained over 40 pounds on this program, and I owe it all to Mike Mentzer.

 

I would also like to thank Mike for not only changing my training beliefs but for changing my whole life. If I had never been able to change the way I looked at things, then I would still be left in the dark. My ability to look at everything in life logically and rationally now is without a doubt my greatest asset.

 

Thank you, Mike Mentzer.

 

Scott Tavener

 

 

 

/

Dear Mike Mentzer Co.,

 

I would like to tell you a short story of my new progress. I started using Mike Mentzer's H.I.T. five weeks ago, and I am astounded! Previously, I had worked out for two years with no gains, until now. In five weeks I have gone from 179 to 187 (with no visible fat increase). I have NEVER before had strength gains or size gains.

 

Prior to using Mike Mentzer's H.I.T., I simply was overtraining. When I had no progress, I upped the set and reps and lost weight. One night, I read an article on the web about this Mike Mentzer... I bought his book Heavy Duty II: Mind & Body, and after reading it once, I started over and read it again. I was overjoyed and could not wait to train with this new found knowledge. I did take a short lay off period (as recommended by Mike), but when I started training with his program, I could not believe it.

 

For example my first leg workout I used 90 lb. for ten reps on leg extensions, and then today, five weeks later, I used 130 lb. for 23 reps! I don't even know how to choose my weight, because my strength keeps increasing. My arms starting were 13.75 and now measure 14.5. I know this is not huge, but I have never gained before, and this has happened in five weeks!

 

I have increased weight on all exercises, and I am very pleased. By the way, one of the best things is how I walk in the gym and twenty minutes later I walk out, and people just kind of look confused... like what was his purpose... If they only knew!

 

Thank You,

Bart

Dear Mike,

 

My name is Travis. I am a 16 year old and would like to talk about how HIT has helped me. I started lifting weights when I was 12. The first year I made great gains. I began to be drawn in by all the glossy muscle mags and try their routines. When I was thirteen I actually lost strength by the end of the year by toiling hours with the weights. Also last year I "dropped" my volume down to a "low" 12 total sets. I got your Heavy Duty book for Christmas and have read every word. With HIT I have gone to squat-185 for 6 to 305 for 18 in two months. I am extremely happy and am probably the strongest person for my weight at my school. I also can do pullups with 65 lbs. around my waist. A few weeks ago I would add 10 lbs. to the squat each week. Last week I added 20 with 3 more reps and this week 20 with 5 more reps. I'll have to add thirty next week to try to decrease the reps! So in conclusion thanks a lot! Oh by the way, my workouts take 15 minutes!

 

Travis

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

and that's reliable info ???? - go look at the testimonials on the following...

It seems to be a widely held belief that Mentzer made his size gains from conventional training. Are you saying that isn't the case?

 

I can't believe anyone would take any notice of testimonials on the official site. :rolleyes:

Dear Mr Nelson

 

I recently removed my AIVs and stuck them to my legs with duct tape, I instantly gained nearly 8lbs, thanks for the advice.

 

MikeGroves

Originally posted by Dave Marley

It seems to be a widely held belief that Mentzer made his size gaims from conventional training. Are you saying that isn't the case?

 

---------> He went from a volume approach in the mid 70s to a HIT program and found it much better

 

I can't believe anyone would take any notice of testimonials on the official site. :rolleyes:

 

------------->why would so many people lie in testimonials ??

 

:confused:

Mentzer: Science and Values

 

“When one considers that the dominant intellectual approach of the growing number of self-styled “experts” in the bodybuilding field is characterized by approximation, contradiction, equivocation and evasion, it is little wonder that an entire generation of bodybuilders - many of the top champions included - finds itself bewildered and without rational guidance. However, let me assure those who refuse to allow the flame of their passion for a more muscular body to die, who, having some awareness of the role of facts, logic and reason in their lives: There does exist a science of bodybuilding - and it can be understood by anyone willing to exercise the required mental effort.”

 

Mike Mentzer, The Science of Bodybuilding

A Texan with the Strength of Conviction

 

“Allow me to introduce myself - I am Paul Brodeur. I squatted 1,000 pounds weighing 318 lbs. with 10 percent bodyfat, making the Powelifting All-Time Top 20 List, while utilizing only high-intensity training principles.

 

“Through reading and listening to Mike Mentzer’s books, articles and tapes, I have found the strength of truth, knowledge and valid principles to lift me from the guagmire of injuries, exhaustion and the loss of strength and size. Now I am increasing in strength and size, literally from workout to workout, as I continue my assault on the record books! My personal training clients have also benfited from these same training principles. One of them has gained over 100 pounds of lean in two years and another has gained 30 pounds in just five workouts! To the skeptics, I say - YES! Heavy Duty, high-intensity training principles do work! I have myself, my clients, the methodology and the documentation to prove it!

 

“Let me propose a question: would you rather go through life believing in something that is not true, or, would you rather have certainty about your training by learning the one valid theory of anaerobic exercise? I hope your choice will be for the truth so you can finally begin the journey of actualizing your maximum muscular potential.”

 

Paul Brodeur, powerlifter and personal trainer in Arlington, Texas 817-737-6837

Another Man of Science - Blacksburg, VA.

 

“The most important parts of training involve understanding and correctly applying scientific principles. With the correct application of principles, you’ll see consistent and tangible progress from workout to workout, from month to month, and year to year. Scientific training principles provide equal opportunity for everyone - younger or older, men or women, beginner or advanced bodybuilder - to reach their genetic potential in the most effective and efficient manner.”

 

Richard A. Winnett, Ph.D., produces the newsletter MASTER TRAINER, dedicated to bringing to its readers the most up to date scientific information on bodybuilding, fitness and health. To receive a sample issue, send $2.00 ( check or money order ) to: MASTER TRAINER, Suite 221, 610 North Main St., Blacksburg, VA 24060 (USA)

 

Check out the Master Trainer www site: http://www.bnt.com/MasterTrainer/index.html

He went from a volume approach in the mid 70s to a HIT program and found it much better

But he made his size gains *before* he changed to HIT?

 

why would so many people lie in testimonials ??

You are joking, I presume?

 

Have you never seen any of the shopping channels where they're selling some sort of dodgy exercise equipment? There's always a load of people prepared to say how great the equipment is.

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Dear Mike,

 

My name is Travis. I am a 16 year old and would like to talk about how HIT has helped me. I started lifting weights when I was 12. The first year I made great gains. I began to be drawn in by all the glossy muscle mags and try their routines. When I was thirteen I actually lost strength by the end of the year by toiling hours with the weights. Also last year I "dropped" my volume down to a "low" 12 total sets. I got your Heavy Duty book for Christmas and have read every word. With HIT I have gone to squat-185 for 6 to 305 for 18 in two months. I am extremely happy and am probably the strongest person for my weight at my school. I also can do pullups with 65 lbs. around my waist. A few weeks ago I would add 10 lbs. to the squat each week. Last week I added 20 with 3 more reps and this week 20 with 5 more reps. I'll have to add thirty next week to try to decrease the reps! So in conclusion thanks a lot! Oh by the way, my workouts take 15 minutes!

 

 

Travis

 

Err, maybe I'm just cynical, or your gullible :D but aren't you reading their Marketing Material?

 

Bottom line, try it for 6 months and see how it go's.

 

Mike

A Point of Confusion

 

This article asks what appears to be a simple question and its title appears to answer that question....

 

High intensity training theory means that in practice you train with high intensity.

 

I suggest that the answer is not that simple and in practice there has been both confusion and misapplication of the theory.

 

The major area of confusion and misapplication has been the equation of intensity with force (mass x acceleration) or more specifically, with resistance used in various free weight and machine movements.

 

In essence, this has made high intensity resistance training a sub-field of weightlifting or powerlifting when, in fact, it is different.

 

It's led us down a path not without virtue but one that could have been different and probably could be more productive.

 

For example, many people are urged to focus on lifting a great deal of resistance in the bench press, squat, and deadlift as a way to achieve maximum development.

 

However, while the amount of weight that can be lifted in good form in the bench press, squat, and deadlift is a reasonable mark of strength, these movements also are simply indicants of leverage and neuromuscular efficiency that are genetically determined. Some people are good at these movements and some people aren't. Everyone can improve somewhat but few people will get very good at these lifts.

 

And, there's a lot of agreement that using big weights and low reps in these movements is a good way to incur a serious injury.

 

Obviously, men and women focus on these and similar movements because they provide a yardstick of strength and they have been told that basically they are the pillars of higher intensity training. But, these movements, particularly the way they are usually performed, may have little to do with real high intensity training.

 

The same basic approach has often been transferred to machine based resistance training. The focus is just on using a lot of resistance with a machine.

 

Poor Examples of High Intensity Training

 

In his training tapes, Dorian Yates uses a great deal of weight on a Nautilus plate loaded pullover machine with about a 1,2 rep cadence and heaving the resistance. This is supposed to be a true exemplar of high intensity training because of the amount of resistance, struggling, and screaming.

 

However, this style is not the best way to target the upper back and therefore is not a very good exemplar of high intensity training.

 

Rather, the machine pullover has probably the largest range of motion of any resistance training exercise, and accordingly, something in the order of a 10,5 or perhaps even a 12,6 cadence seems warranted. With this cadence and a great deal of control, much less resistance will be used but the set can be a good example of a high intensity stimulus.

 

I have a great deal of respect for Dorian Yates and these comments should be not construed in a negative way. I can only assume he would have been even greater employing a safer and even higher intensity approach.

 

A far more horrifying example of inappropriate high intensity training sadly and ironically is found on an early Nautilus training tape where Arthur Jones is training a top bodybuilder of that day.

 

A lot of force is involved and a lot of resistance is used on every machine but here the movement arms are thrown and sometimes the weight stack is bounced to get even more momentum going.

 

By way of contrast, Dorian Yates's training looked relatively slow and controlled.

 

Watching this tape made me realize that perhaps the person given the most credit for high intensity training theory - and to whom we all owe a great deal - didn't really fully appreciate the essence of his own theory!

Originally posted by Herman Munster

Err, maybe I'm just cynical, or your gullible :D but aren't you reading their Marketing Material?

 

 

The testimonails have been left by famous people as well as anon ones - r u suggesting they would all lie about HIT and Mike Mentzer becasue they were being paid ?

A MESSAGE

FROM

BOYER COE

 

 

 

I have a very high regard for Mike Mentzer, and have known him for a number of years. I remember meeting Mike back in 1977-78 at the Mr. Universe in France. We became friends over the years both personally and professionally, working along side Arthur Jones, the pioneer of high intensity training, which Mike later perfected and brought to the masses.

 

The one thing that stands out in my mind regarding Mike -- besides just being a great bodybuilder -- was his intelligence and a very high degree of integrity. Mike would never lie about anything; a rare commodity in this industry. I enjoyed a lot of the same things Mike was interested in outside of bodybuilding, including philosophy. His deep interest in philosophy inspired me to study it even further. I have fond memories of just sitting back and discussing things with him for hours. Mike was a very kind person and a good friend.

 

Mike was a man who had special things to say even though it went against the grain of popular beliefs at the time. We've had many great times & travels together, and I will miss his company.

 

-- Boyer Coe

Four-Time Mr. Universe Winner - 1969, 1973, 1974, 1975

As you're keen to follow Mentzer's methods, do I take it you'll be drinking your own p*ss too? :rolleyes: :D

Nelson,

 

First you challenge poor old Bob about how he should install car stereo systems after he makes a living at it!

 

Now you are challenging a bodybuilding champion about how people should train!

 

Maybe some books on Diplomacy instead of Body Building are more appropriate:D ;)

if you all wanna stay closed-minded..like I said - your loss !!

 

if u can't take questions just because u think u r the expert in the field...then it's a poor do....

 

Mentzer was up for questioning - he had integrity.

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

if you all wanna stay closed-minded..like I said - your loss !!

 

if u can't take questions just because u think u r the expert in the field...then it's a poor do....

 

Mentzer was up for questioning - he had integrity.

no one is questioning his integrity ect,,... but just as you say to everyone on here how wrong they are... (hmm so thats not very close minded??) i mean your the one being close minded, you get rippe dof paying whatever you did, then all of a sudden the rest of the known planet (even Professional bodybuilders who have a far bigger reputation than Mike mentzer) are all a total bunch of tits because it doesnent fall in line with what you say???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: and to top it of your 14 stone and 6 foot lol - hardly a muscular frame.(no offense intended)

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

The testimonails have been left by famous people as well as anon ones - r u suggesting they would all lie about HIT and Mike Mentzer becasue they were being paid ?

 

It's not called lying, it's called product endorsement :D

 

Mike