I read most of his last book over the weekend. Bloody amazing - ties in with my own experince and a must read for any bodybuilder.

 

in short....train INTENSE.....SHORT......and INFREQUENTLY.

 

 

ie. only 2 heavy sets per bodypart to failure, concentrating on last reps using negatives and static holds.

 

Train only every 4-7 days. Do no aerobic work.

 

u c most bodybuilders do WAY TOO MUCH !!:eek:

 

The more you do, the more your body has to use it's energy to recover and the less you will have available for GROWTH.

 

Lots of reps and sets only gives you muscular endurance - this is at the expense of strength and size. If u do not recover fully before retraining, you WILL NOT GROW, as your body only gets stronger and bigger AFTER your body has recovered from it's last exertions. Geddit ?;)

 

Mike died to to a genetic predisposition to heart problems. He forgave a lucrative career by challenging the bodybuilding authorities who refused to acknowledge that a Science of bodybuilding was possible to develop, as this challenged the burgeoning market for weight training info/supplements/gear etc. This was due to his integrity and belief in Objectivism.

 

This is the most important info. I have come across in bodybuilding. Mikes advice is like a beacon in the dark. One of the best books I have ever read.

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0071383301/202-0580963-3483015

 

Not another "training theory" - far from it.

 

Mike showed that less can be more - allowing you to train less while gaining more - the opposite of what most other people recommended. He did this using logic and exercise physiology and by witnessing his own progress and that of the many he coached.

 

the reason others have gained on longer programs (eg Schwarzenegger) is probably due to genetic, steroid assistance and time - they would probably have got to where they are faster and more efficiently using HIT - and may have made more progess than they did. Mentzer should have won the 1980 Olympia - he was relegated to 5th place due to politics by the judges.

Originally posted by 300z

 

Nelson took Mike MENTZERS Principles a little to far :D:D:D

 

excellent dude !!:D

It is true what Nelson is saying though. You do need time to get over training. As we know muscles build because the fibers rip slightly and then repair themselves but slightly bigger. If you dont allow this time for repair you do more damage than good.

 

The British swimmer Mark Foster I think it was. Used to train every day, morning day and night because he thought that was best. He became a lot worse, until he was convinsed that he needed to train less to allow his body to recouperate from training.

 

If you train and train and train, the muscules dont have time to repair as when they get torn slightly, when you train the next day they will tear again before its better.

 

But that is why they rotate what part of the body they work on. ;)

 

Stuart

Originally posted by SRRAE

But that is why they rotate what part of the body they work on. ;)

 

Stuart

 

 

Problem here is that there is significant spillover - you can rarely work a muscle group with a high degree of isolation. Also, you body needs rest in terms of energy depletion, so daily training is not recommended even if you train a different part each day. Most "conventional" workouts (including splitting parts over different days) train the same muscle group every other day and this doesn't give much time for muscle repair and growth. Mentzer found that 4-7 days is needed for full revuperation and growth.

 

I last trained saturday night and I still am not recovered. I did 2 sets per body part.

 

This is why >95% of bodybuilders are at a sticking point and not seeing regular progress.

 

To be convinced of what I am saying, you really need to read the book - or my long posts above from the website will be helpful.

 

PS. I have signed photos of Arnie - I am an Arnie fan, just think Mentzer had training figured out better.

Originally posted by SRRAE

It is true what Nelson is saying though. You do need time to get over training. As we know muscles build because the fibers rip slightly and then repair themselves but slightly bigger. If you dont allow this time for repair you do more damage than good.

 

 

 

 

Not arguing with that, but each muscle in your body takes a different ammount of time to repair from 48hours for your biceps to 100 hours for your lower back. That is why if you spilt a routine sucesfully you will see greater benifits as you will always gives muscles enough time to heal.

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

Problem here is that there is significant spillover - you can rarely work a muscle group with a high degree of isolation. Also, you body needs rest in terms of energy depletion, so daily training is not recommended even if you train a different part each day. Most "conventional" workouts (including splitting parts over different days) train the same muscle group every other day and this doesn't give much time for muscle repair and growth. Mentzer found that 4-7 days is needed for full revuperation and growth.

 

I last trained saturday night and I still am not recovered. I did 2 sets per body part.

 

This is why >95% of bodybuilders are at a sticking point and not seeing regular progress.

 

To be convinced of what I am saying, you really need to read the book - or my long posts above from the website will be helpful.

 

PS. I have signed photos of Arnie - I am an Arnie fan, just think Mentzer had training figured out better.

 

 

your main crossovers will be

 

biceps and back

chest, triceps and shoulders

 

once into deadlifts and squats you get a much better overall workout, I know some people who will only deadlift, squat and benchpress.

 

After 6-7 days you will start to get muscle loss if you don't work them out.

 

it is best to just use what works for you, if lifting a pint of beer 10 times a week made me healthier and stronger then id do that :P

Originally posted by MikeGroves

it is best to just use what works for you, if lifting a pint of beer 10 times a week made me healthier and stronger then id do that :P

 

Good job hospitals don't follow that approach !!;)

Originally posted by MikeGroves

 

biceps and back

chest, triceps and shoulders

 

 

it is recommended to train opposing muscles together, as training any muscle also trains the opposing muscle as well (albeit not nearly as much) eg. squats work your thigh biceps - why ?

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

it is recommended to train opposing muscles together, as training any muscle also trains the opposing muscle as well (albeit not nearly as much) eg. squats work your thigh biceps - why ?

 

It depends what you want, you can get a much better work out to each muscle group by not training opposing groups together as you won't fatigue muscles so much.

 

didn't arnie use to seperate each muscle with some weird exercises?

Originally posted by Nelson MainFella

it is recommended to train opposing muscles together, as training any muscle also trains the opposing muscle as well (albeit not nearly as much) eg. squats work your thigh biceps - why ?

 

Thigh biceps? Oh hamstrings:rolleyes:

 

Look, I cant rember the exact story BUT one guy picks up new born calf and carries it around on his shoulders. He continues to do this everyday whilst eating what nature had supplied him.

 

As the calf grows so does he and his appetite increases.

 

As the calf turns into a fully grown cow, the man is now as big as the Hulk.

 

Its all so easy PLEASE stop making it difficult!

;)

Originally posted by BigRoy

Thigh biceps? Oh hamstrings:rolleyes:

 

Look, I cant rember the exact story BUT one guy picks up new born calf and carries it around on his shoulders. He continues to do this everyday whilst eating what nature had supplied him.

 

As the calf grows so does he and his appetite increases.

 

As the calf turns into a fully grown cow, the man is now as big as the Hulk.

 

Its all so easy PLEASE stop making it difficult!

;)

 

 

did he eat the cow in the end?

Originally posted by BigRoy

Thigh biceps? Oh hamstrings:rolleyes:

 

Look, I cant rember the exact story BUT one guy picks up new born calf and carries it around on his shoulders. He continues to do this everyday whilst eating what nature had supplied him.

 

As the calf grows so does he and his appetite increases.

 

As the calf turns into a fully grown cow, the man is now as big as the Hulk.

 

Its all so easy PLEASE stop making it difficult!

;)

More importantly dont mock the HULK :p

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

dont mock the Hulk! Warren I would agree but after watching that utter pile of S H I T on DVD, he deserves it! Anyone seen this pile of green poo!

Originally posted by BigRoy

Thigh biceps? Oh hamstrings:rolleyes:

 

Look, I cant rember the exact story BUT one guy picks up new born calf and carries it around on his shoulders. He continues to do this everyday whilst eating what nature had supplied him.

 

As the calf grows so does he and his appetite increases.

 

As the calf turns into a fully grown cow, the man is now as big as the Hulk.

 

Its all so easy PLEASE stop making it difficult!

;)

 

Mentzer was all about making things simpler wrt training.

I first met Mike Mentzer in May 1977 after witnessing 2 free seminars held in Portland, OR. A dynamic, driven young champion bodybuilder shocked us all. Yes, I had read of him and his first startling perfect score of 300 in the Southern Cup Bodybuilding Championships, and that he used a low protein diet to attain this tremendous physique. After one seminar, Mike lectured my brother and me for an hour or more, just the three of us. His logic, intelligence, passion and conviction won us over. We chose a new direction that day. We read books from then on, because as Mike had pointed out to the crowd, magazines had to be registered as catalogues. No wonder things had been so confusing.

 

I have no doubt that Mike has positively affected the thinking of millions of others, like my brother and me. Mike dared to be different, to speak out, an individualist of the most rugged kind, taking on all comers from all angles. Mike Mentzer was intelligent, passionate, candid, noble and self-sacrificing. Never satisfied with anything but the absolute best results. Mike and Ray annealed, pushed, pulled, extruded and forged Heavy Duty into the most practical, productive system possible. Strength and physical development will remain a focal point as long as the human species exists.

 

Mike set the wheels in motion for many. Raise your glasses high ladies and gentlemen. This is the passing of a man, but not of a philosophy or a hero.

I would like to take a moment to offer my deepest condolences to the entire family and friends circle of the Mentzer brothers. I also wish to let everyone know that Mike's efforts in showing the world that there IS a scientific approach to bodybuilding was just beginning to really catch on. People were finally starting to open their eyes. I for one, have been personally inspired my Mike's theory.

 

In the last 9 months of using HIT techniques, my strength and muscle mass increases have been greater then they ever had been in my prior 7 years of training. I have started a HIT Club and the club is dedicated to keeping Mike's word and beliefs out there. I for one will continue to preach his words. I already have people in my gym asking how I achieved the gains in such a short time. I tell them, and now I see plenty of them doing nice slow sets and limiting their workout time.

 

Mike, thank you for all you have done for me and the entire bodybuilding world. You realized you had a theory that made perfect sense, and stuck by your guns despite the big name muscle organizations trying to shoot you down. Well, your efforts have paid off. Your words and techniques will continue to educate the bodybuilding world until YOUR WAY is THE WAY! This day WILL come Mike. God bless, and rest in peace.

 

John C.

Should read don't mock the wippet, Nelson if that is you they are having a pop at you got to listen dude. Your 6'- 1" and 14 stone and been weight training 7 years you got to start eating and eating lots:D :D :D