Is there some way of taking the turbo's out will on your P's then putting them back in later or is there somehting you can add to your car that can switch from turbo's to no-Turbo's i ask this because i am very interest in buying a 300zx but i'm on my p's whitch mean's i cant drive turbo cars and if i was to spend all that money buying a 300zx i would like it to go fast when i get of my p's

Shortty,

 

Not sure quite how serious you are or what your reasons are but ...

 

You could fairly easily set up a switch to only allow safety boost which gives very little turbo boost (there is a detonation sensor and the switch could be set up to make the car think it's detonating).

 

Alternatively you could buy a boost controller and set it to very low boost.

 

You couldn't (practically) remove the turbos and you wouldn't want to - way too big a job.

 

What are your reasons :

 

a) To wind me up - in which case you've damaged my faith in human nature and sucked me right in !

 

b) To save insurance : it won't work - they won't believe you and even if they did, they'd charge you more for making modifications

 

c) Because you're concerned about the amount of power at an early stage in your driving career - very sensible but the approach that 99% would recommend would be to get a sensible car for a while. It'll be MUCH cheaper in the long run. A 300zx would not be a good first car in my opinion.

 

Dave

Good advice Dave

 

I am a driving instructor and watch my ex pupils hammer about in fiestas,corsas e.t.c and just about manage to keep them on the road after thay pass their test.

 

If you are thinking of getting a Zed as a first car:

 

1- Rob a bank

 

2- Try and find an insurance company who will touch you

 

3- Get damn good life insurance

 

Advice- Learn how to keep a car on the road before trying to drive one of the most tail happy cars on the planet.

Originally posted by Shortty

Is there some way of taking the turbo's out will on your P's then putting them back in later or is there somehting you can add to your car that can switch from turbo's to no-Turbo's i ask this because i am very interest in buying a 300zx but i'm on my p's whitch mean's i cant drive turbo cars and if i was to spend all that money buying a 300zx i would like it to go fast when i get of my p's

This must be a wind up, if its not you need to educate yourself more on the workings of a car before you attempt anything bigger than a moped.

I have to agree with Andrew & Dave on this one.. Get a different car first..

 

Afterall, do we really want another stacked Z?

 

I considered myself a good driver after passing my test - accident free for about 40,000miles (a year at the time, as my job involved a lot of driving)..

 

But I still managed to overstep the mark on a dry, sunny day, and park my company metro backward into a hedge.. I consider myself very lucky that the lorry that was 300 yards away wasn't 300 yards closer, or it would have hit me square on the drivers side, and I probably wouldn't be writing this now.

 

And the Z still manages to scare me - hence fitting TC..

 

Anyway to answer your original post like everyone else says - no there's no way of doing that. You could import an NA 300ZX, but your insurance would be..

Well you'd get laughed at by the brokers, frankly..

Plus dont forget that turbo cars are very badly tuned engines. Turn the turbos off and it will run like a bad of poo performance wise and would get stuffed by a NA.

I dont think its a good idea.

 

As said with the insurance. You tell them you have a boost controller to turn to boost off and they will laugh at you, plus you are telling me that you could resist the temptation of turning it up for a blast?

 

When I learned to drive, I thought the 1.1 Fiesta was fast, then the Corsa GSI with a new instructor was fast, then the family Sierra was fast then when I got my Z after my Astra I thought that was really really fast. However, I believe , I handled the power because I made a gradual increase in performance, from a 50bhp Fiesta, to a 100bhp Corsa and a 130bhp Sierra which was also rear wheel drive which is a hell of a lot different with high powered cars than front wheel drive.

But saying that I was driving for 4 years when I got my Z.

 

Please get an inbetween car first. We dont want to see you dead.

 

Stuart

Originally posted by SRRAE

Plus dont forget that turbo cars are very badly tuned engines. Turn the turbos off and it will run like a bad of poo performance wise and would get stuffed by a NA.

Stuart

 

First of they arnt badly tuned, its the low compression ratio that would make it slow.

 

and secondly lmao how do you turn the turbos of lol?>

Originally posted by 300z

First of they arnt badly tuned, its the low compression ratio that would make it slow.

 

and secondly lmao how do you turn the turbos of lol?>

 

Well Duffer managed to turn one of his off ! LOL :D

Originally posted by 300z

First of they arnt badly tuned, its the low compression ratio that would make it slow.

 

and secondly lmao how do you turn the turbos of lol?>

 

Warren, I heard that letting you drive it was a pretty reliable way of turning the whole thing off !

 

:D :D :D

Well it goes like this.

I was told the best way to shut your engine down for winter is to make it explode :D

LMAO

 

Then i was told, let the turbo's run to 2bar until one of them dispearses itself inside the engine :D

 

so you can understand my confusion lol.

:D

If i only asked this question first lmao.

"can i switch just the turbos of? "bwhahaha

Sorry i dont think i explained properly i am getting a 300zx and the insurance and everything will be under my dad's name but my problem is i dont want to buy the n/a tuned version and do it up by putting big stereo and making it look great then when i turn 21 selling it and loosing all that money to then buy the turbo model and on my driving skill's i wouldnt say i was a bad driver.

Oh sorry, I hadn't realised you weren't a bad driver. In that case you've got nothing to worry about.

 

;)

 

Personally I think your thoughts are completely understandable but completely mad. You will have much more fun in a lower performance car. And I speak from experience. I would have missed out on so much if I'd been able to afford a high performance car on day 1.

 

Apart from anything else, I was able to make a lot of mistakes without hurting myself, other people or my wallet (well, the latter isn't completely true).

 

Dave

Originally posted by Hairsy

Oh sorry, I hadn't realised you weren't a bad driver. In that case you've got nothing to worry about.

 

;)

 

Personally I think your thoughts are completely understandable but completely mad. You will have much more fun in a lower performance car. And I speak from experience. I would have missed out on so much if I'd been able to afford a high performance car on day 1.

 

Apart from anything else, I was able to make a lot of mistakes without hurting myself, other people or my wallet (well, the latter isn't completely true).

 

Dave

Very very true.

Get a Saxo AND THROW THAT AROUND abit, youll have a blast.

By increasing the perfomance as much as you do on a 300, you really dont get a small chuckable car on your hands, its big, heavy and more a GT car.

And ill mention it again, dont kid yourself about expense, they are not cheap to run or maintain.

I've been driving for 7 years, and I've probably driven 200,000 miles in that time, and I still don't consider myself experienced enough to handle the Z and get it out of trouble in every situation.. Hell - just ask Warren about his 360 spins in the middle of the road - and that was with traction control I believe.. And that man has driven his car around the Nurburgring (well, until it expired.. :D)

 

Do me a favour Shortty - if you do get a Z, get some skid pan training in, otherwise the first thing you'll do (unless you drive it like a granny..) is stuff it arse first into a tree, or worse, a person. Just trust us on this one.. This isn't about us being snobbish and not wanting someone younger than us owning the car - it's about us not wanting to see you and/or the car, and/or some other unfortunate soul in a twisted heap of metal.

 

Anyway - you still can't turn the turbo's off.. So it looks like you have to get an NA, or wait until you're off P plates..

 

Oh and one last thing - on the subject of the NA Z's.. They're anything but slow - you're still talking about a car that only takes 7 seconds to get to 60. There isn't much in the land of 'normal' cars that comes close to that - and the things that do don't usually get driven like that. Sure a modded Scooby might be quicker, but it also looks like a sack o' crap (sorry to any Scooby lovers :D).

Oh yeah - and unless people really know what to look for, they can't tell the difference between an NA and a TT on the road..

Originally posted by Shortty

.....and on my driving skill's i wouldnt say i was a bad driver.

 

Maybe so, but I bet Michael Schumachers first race car drive wasn't in a Ferrari F-1. It's called a learning curve, and it's there to try to stop you killing yourself.

 

Believe me, these cars BITE! They do not forgive, and when it all goes tits-up you're going about 40mph faster than you would have been in a lesser car.

 

Most of the bikers killed on the road these days are 40 year old blokes who owned a 'fast' bike when they were 18-20. They are just not prepared for the performance of modern fast bikes. Very docile and forgiving at low speed, then all of a sudden WARP 10! SH1T, SH1T, SH1T...BANG!

 

Have a re-think mate.

I have been driving for 13 years, i have had only "performance cars" for the last 7, my hobby is getting a perfect sideways drift which i practised in 525 sport bmw till i was consistently good, i have competed in track days been on skid pans and have a love for being able to control a slide, i run a na with stainless exhaust and there is nothing to touch me so far in 7 mths owning it, (not raced tt tee hee) but believe me its the quickest thing ive owned so far and without all those years of overcooking lesser cars till i learnt i, would have crashed by now, nothing other than experience and building up could ready u, there is good advice on here u should listen and learn

Heed these peoples advice,

 

I'm 19 and about to step up to a 300zx and to be honest it's probably not a wise decision, I intend to get in some track days and have done some skid pan work but I wouldn't say I was a good driver.

 

My first two years have been in a 1.8 306 and that is probably a much more forgiving car! I've bombed around in Golf GTis and 3.0 Senators and the 306 so far has been the kindest to me. Guaranteed you will cock up at some point and thank **** I was in my 306 and not the Senator.

 

I just hope I stay ok in the Z, I'm quite mellow now.

 

As for going on your dads insurance, bad move imho.

 

You crash, chances are you won't get a decent pay out and NCB is the best thing ever, just 2 yrs NCB took my premium from £1500 to £700 and this year it'll be about £300. Worth doing.

 

Good luck and take it easy, oh and don't race a Nova, ever, just relax knowing you could make him look silly, Novas are dangerous :D

Actually, you *could* in theory disable the turbos - simply jam the wastegates open - you will get a very slight increase in performance but won't reach positive boost. Fitting a boost controller will ONLY allow you to increase the boost above the standard level. You cannot use a boost controller to open the wastegates earlier - only later.

 

As far as driving skill goes - I'm the best here. I always have been, always will be. NO ONE is as good as me ;) Erm sorry about that LOL Seriously though, you may well be a good driver, can do a good emergency stop, get out of a slide... So what? The real problem with the 300 on normal roads is the speed at which the car can get you into a bad situation. It will hit 90mph before you know it - you can't always slow down as quickly though ;) Skidpans and trackdays, yeah not too bad but they are under controlled conditions etc and on good quality tarmac - they don't give a 100% idea of driving on your average roads... IMO the IAM is a far greater resource. You are taught to think much further ahead and find yourself, after a while, actually predicting what people are going to do.... Much safer...

 

HTH

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

Top Advice!!!

 

I am a member of the IAM and also teach people to that standard.

 

Really gets you thinking ahead being able to deal with problems that may arise.

If you are under 25 it costs a mere £65 including all tuition/test and a years membership, over 25 only £10 more.

More info at http://www.iam.org.uk :cool:

You could very easily disable the pressure the turbos produce and I have done it plenty of times when things have gone wrong, not with me Z but the plan is the same.

 

Disconnect the solenoid valve. You are now running a paltry 6 psi from the wastgates only. buy two fully adjustable wastgates with a weak spring and fully adjust them to the lowest they will possibly go. so the wastegate opens as soon as possitive boost is seen.

 

Voila no positive boost. You don't get the rush of the turbos.

 

or to make it a little easier, just remove the circlip on the wastgate arms, pull the arms off and open the wastgates manually, hold them in the open position. No boost !

 

The only other way is to remove the turbos fit two manifolds straight to your downpipe, route the oil feeds to the oil returns and the same with the coolant pipes.

I always find it a bit fiddly to hold open two wastegates while driving. But then I'm not a very good driver !

A bit of string out the window should do it then !!!

 

I'm sure I could tail slide it whilst holding me wastgates open !!!

Remove the circlip and let it swing - the wastegate will just blow open..... tah dahhhh

 

Erm.... why are we even disgussing this??? LMAO

 

CheerZ,

 

Andy

Originally posted by olly300zx

You could very easily disable the pressure the turbos produce and I have done it plenty of times when things have gone wrong, not with me Z but the plan is the same.

sorry but dont talk Bollocks, disabling the turbo's would require removing them from the system, you can jam open wastegates and do whatever you like, your turbos are still spinning as the air has to move through them. so regardless of how little boost your getting they are still working even if no posotive boost is being generated.

Educate yourself further with a map of the engine and where the turbo bolts onto the manifold, and see that short of making the car an NA you cant stop the blower from working. (never mind the fact that by opening your wastegates like that you **** your airflow up second to none)

if you disconnect the inlet pipe from the turbo and route it straight to the throttle body, and route the exhaust gases straight to the exhaust pipe, the turbo would not spin at all !!!

 

the oil and water would still flow through, but it wouldn't spin !

Until March 2000 all I had driven regularly was a 1.3 Polo. I never booted the car - just drove it for economy. It was a manual.

 

I got fed up with gear changes, so got an automatic 200SX which I still own, and have loved it ever since. It felt like a tank(sizewise) at first after the Polo. As booting an auto is easier, I occasionally enjoy (& still do) flooring it and feeling the acceleration, but I only do this on good DRY roads without much traffic.

 

I then got a 300ZXTT, thinking the 200SX an inferior relative. I was well impressed with the 300, but found I still wanted to drive the 200. the 300 doesn't feel that much faster than the 200 - this I believe is due to it being heavier, and having a better suspension setup, wider tyres etc.

 

I drive the 300 in a similar manner to the 200. I know that I am not skilled enough to really boot either car on the roads round bends. I could do with some trackdays to really understand how to handle the car when the rear wheels step out. I am not a brilliant driver, although I am pretty safe and sensible. As Clint Eastwood said " A man's gotta know his limitations"...............

 

But the roads are so busy these days with speed cameras everywhere that booting it becomes difficult most of the time. IMHO opinion, a 300 is not as dangerous as those above are saying as long as you TREAT IT WITH RESPECT. The replies above have assumed that you are a boy racer, and planning to boot the car at every opportunity, but I agree you may be better with a less powerful car to build up experience. You do not fell the speed in a 300 as you do in a 'normal' car, so will feel safer at higher speeds, which can give false confidence. A 300 is heavy and at high speeds is a very dangerous thing/missile.

 

One thing the 200 and 300 don't like is significant power while turning a corner - you are likely to have the car jumping around in a most disconcerting way !

;)