So with another earth like planet discovered by the solar watching bovins I

was thinking to myself what really is the point to getting all excited ?

 

Even if it is an identical style planet to ours and there's is some sort of

sophisticated life forms on it what can we really do ?

 

Not much I'm guessing; even if we pointed the most powerful form of radio or

other communication device towards it would it not take a few thousand years

or more to get there, then the time it takes back again for them to respond !

 

So for the Bovins out there how long you think it would take to send a message

and what would you actually say ?

 

Mind they have no understanding of our language !

 

lolz haven't seen that in a while. brings back memories to my days of playing counter strike.

BOOOM HEADSHOT! I loved playing that game :(

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/nice-headshot/50651

 

:lol:

:lol: was quite a nice headshot!

I would say that the people in this new planet are watching us and have traveled to our planet and this is known by a few people in the USA who are drip feeding us scraps of information on it.:alien: We are not alone!

 

My father and uncle swear they were sitting on a back porch one day and one came over the house sat there then in a blink it was gone...

 

They arn't the type to make up bullshit stories and hes not exactly some space nut...

 

I think realisticaly with the size of the universe of course we are not alone, every star in the sky you see is just a fraction of what is out there, every star is a sun, many have planets orbiting them, given they are relatively the same distance from the sun as we are and are water and land based, as this new planet proves planets like this are out there.

 

People seem to neglect to think about the obvious risk though of planets far more advanced than us they could have been in a similar situation to us literally millions of years ago, so thier evolution and advancements would of course be far greater than ours, and if we meet them they are likely going to want to take over our planet, the same way we look to other planets to protect our species incase earth gets wiped out.

 

That is a concievable way many would look at it...

 

My personal theory i find very possible and dont doubt.

 

Is essentially based on the fact that our race has already spread to other planets, for example... earth...

 

Then you must ask yourself well then why would they not give us our technology, now one must be careful not to pluck at straws and keep away from crazy theories, so my thinking is perhaps they lost all thier history, or like us they want to know how they got to where they are how did they get to that point... so drop some of us off here, with no technology and see what happens...

 

This new planet could infact be where we source from, or perhaps be another planet our species spread to long ago...

 

I could go on for days with the many possibilities i think of. i mean they would have figured we would evolve here, and if they had the technology to get here...

 

"okay lets uhhhh throw this asteroid at the planet to wipe out the exisiting dinosaur species"

 

 

People can come up with thoeries all day, i guess we shall never know.

 

I'm not religious whatsoever though so i'd rather think like this than the "god created us"

 

I work more on the "everything has to come from somewhere" the big bang thoery if you will.

BOOOM HEADSHOT! I loved playing that game :(

 

Google preject blackout, very similar game, completely free, and lots of people play it just just on jump in a server and away you go, it's prettymuch old school c.s, with a few COD elements thrown in.

booom "you dead" .. lol

My father and uncle swear they were sitting on a back porch one day and one came over the house sat there then in a blink it was gone...

 

They arn't the type to make up bullshit stories and hes not exactly some space nut...

 

I think realisticaly with the size of the universe of course we are not alone, every star in the sky you see is just a fraction of what is out there, every star is a sun, many have planets orbiting them, given they are relatively the same distance from the sun as we are and are water and land based, as this new planet proves planets like this are out there.

 

People seem to neglect to think about the obvious risk though of planets far more advanced than us they could have been in a similar situation to us literally millions of years ago, so thier evolution and advancements would of course be far greater than ours, and if we meet them they are likely going to want to take over our planet, the same way we look to other planets to protect our species incase earth gets wiped out.

 

That is a concievable way many would look at it...

 

My personal theory i find very possible and dont doubt.

 

Is essentially based on the fact that our race has already spread to other planets, for example... earth...

 

Then you must ask yourself well then why would they not give us our technology, now one must be careful not to pluck at straws and keep away from crazy theories, so my thinking is perhaps they lost all thier history, or like us they want to know how they got to where they are how did they get to that point... so drop some of us off here, with no technology and see what happens...

 

This new planet could infact be where we source from, or perhaps be another planet our species spread to long ago...

 

I could go on for days with the many possibilities i think of. i mean they would have figured we would evolve here, and if they had the technology to get here...

 

"okay lets uhhhh throw this asteroid at the planet to wipe out the exisiting dinosaur species"

 

 

People can come up with thoeries all day, i guess we shall never know.

 

I'm not religious whatsoever though so i'd rather think like this than the "god created us"

 

I work more on the "everything has to come from somewhere" the big bang thoery if you will.

 

TBH that's quite close to my own theories too. Although I think the technology side of things was probably more a case of the settlers who came here didn't want the technology, so upon arriving, destroyed it all, thinking that living without technology would be much better for the human race (After all look at what it's done to us) but of course the natural curiousness of the human race dictated that we would evolve and develop it all again, lol.

LOL... you guys are funny....

 

it's like the turtle on the back of a turtle ... etc....

 

(extract from Wiki)...

 

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

 

so you say we had to come from somewhere.... but where did the first humans come from?

I think you'd be better off believing in God... LOL... :D

In a universe which is almost infinite, I find it unsurprising that there are earth-like planets out there. Who'd have thought it?! I'm also 99% sure they will contain life - be it simple single-cell bacteria, or more complex life forms. That shouldn't be a surprise either: it's happened here, it can happen somewhere else.

 

Regarding travelling 600 lightyears; I think the solution could be closer than what we think. It may take another few hundred years, for us to fully understand and harness the power of the universe (or manipulate it to our advantage), but once achieved travelling huge distances more quickly will be possible - though not necessarily at the speed of light. The problem with travelling at that speed, as Hollowpoint touched on, is that a particle the size of a grain of sand would have the impact energy of an atomic bomb.

 

One thing is certain though - eventually our species will have to leave Earth, either due to some cataclysmic event or our Sun running out of fuel. Assuming we don't fook things up before then.

agreed....

 

7 Billion people... looks like we'll be out of room all too soon....

either due to some cataclysmic event or our Sun running out of fuel. Assuming we don't fook things up before then.

 

 

Cant wait untill the cataclysmic event - could mean more big hit movies coming our way:cool3:

 

They've done the whole asteroid hitting earth scenario and the magnetic poles fookin up and the ozone layer going completely.

 

holywood now need to come up with some better ideas !

 

Whatever it is; if it involves timetravel i'll likely like it.:whistling:

I think it's not about using speed it's about bending the timespace continuum by manipulating gravity that's why they are looking for the higgs boson the particle which gives matter it's mass aka the god particle because they can't find it. lol :clown:

i have already given my theory on how i think we are here on earth.

 

might have to dig it back out again its buried in the forum somewhere.

Regarding travelling 600 lightyears; I think the solution could be closer than what we think. It may take another few hundred years, for us to fully understand and harness the power of the universe (or manipulate it to our advantage), but once achieved travelling huge distances more quickly will be possible - though not necessarily at the speed of light. The problem with travelling at that speed, as Hollowpoint touched on, is that a particle the size of a grain of sand would have the impact energy of an atomic bomb.

 

 

I cant see it EVER happening - people like to think ANYTHING is possible - sadly there are so many things we do know that just cant be changed. The energy required to accellerate a mass anywhere near light speed makes it impossible (hence Einsteins E=MC2) the faster you travel the more fuel you need, this increases the mass further of the object you are trying to accellerate & hence even more fuel is needed!!

 

Apart from that light can only travel at the speed of light as photons (particles of light) have no mass

 

Ok, so even if we ignore this & we find some miraculous form of energy that has no mass & we can acheive even near light speed - thats still a 1200 year return journey to that planet LOL!

AND - thats ignoring the fact of how long it would take to accellerate to near light speed, I mean, seriously - most people could black out in a fighter jet at full accelleration!! Imaging how long it would take to even get to near light speed!! LOL!! We would all be splattered on the rear of the spaceship!!

 

There are also some other things to consider -

 

first, space is really dark - you would need faster than light headlights or you would not be able to see another ship in front of you - stop lights are going to be pointless too. And dont get me started on stopping distances!! :lol::lol::lol:

I think it's not about using speed it's about bending the timespace continuum by manipulating gravity that's why they are looking for the higgs boson the particle which gives matter it's mass aka the god particle because they can't find it. lol :clown:

 

This is Star Treks Warp technology!!

 

Actually its probably the only way around light speed travel - move the space you are travelling to closer to you!! LOL!

 

Again - imagine the power supply needed to even consider having more gravitational effect than a star LOL!!

I think you've overthought this a little Paul, lol. Think of it simply, look how far technology has come in the last 50 years, considering the things that were thought impossible 50 years ago, compared to now. Do you think anyone 50 years ago even considered the possibility of creating a black hole with a machine on earth?

I cant see it EVER happening - people like to think ANYTHING is possible - sadly there are so many things we do know that just cant be changed. The energy required to accellerate a mass anywhere near light speed makes it impossible (hence Einsteins E=MC2) the faster you travel the more fuel you need, this increases the mass further of the object you are trying to accellerate & hence even more fuel is needed!!

 

Apart from that light can only travel at the speed of light as photons (particles of light) have no mass

 

Ok, so even if we ignore this & we find some miraculous form of energy that has no mass & we can acheive even near light speed - thats still a 1200 year return journey to that planet LOL!

AND - thats ignoring the fact of how long it would take to accellerate to near light speed, I mean, seriously - most people could black out in a fighter jet at full accelleration!! Imaging how long it would take to even get to near light speed!! LOL!! We would all be splattered on the rear of the spaceship!!

 

There are also some other things to consider -

 

first, space is really dark - you would need faster than light headlights or you would not be able to see another ship in front of you - stop lights are going to be pointless too. And dont get me started on stopping distances!! :lol::lol::lol:

 

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:lol:

Obviously religion is a load of crap. But where did these stupid ideas come from? I reckon our solar system is a franchise and the reason why we have so many conflicting religions is because they kept selling on to each other :D

 

I'm a bit gutted actually because I am a science head and I doubt any of us will get to see any of these developments in our lifetime :(

I think you've overthought this a little Paul, lol. Think of it simply, look how far technology has come in the last 50 years, considering the things that were thought impossible 50 years ago, compared to now. Do you think anyone 50 years ago even considered the possibility of creating a black hole with a machine on earth?

 

I know - & people like to think this, however there are some things that cannot ever change once you understand!!

 

think like this - hundreds of years ago people thought the world was flat - we now know its a sphere - its not going to change into a cube in the future no matter how much people might want it to be different!! LOL!!

 

pure water under normal atmosheric pressure will always boil at 100 deg C & freeze at 0 deg C - this will always be the case, even in a thousand years time we wont be able to get water to boil at 200 degrees!!

 

same with light speed - scientists know how mass & speed & energy are connected and they always will be ;)

I know - & people like to think this, however there are some things that cannot ever change once you understand!!

 

think like this - hundreds of years ago people thought the world was flat - we now know its a sphere - its not going to change into a cube in the future no matter how much people might want it to be different!! LOL!!

 

pure water under normal atmosheric pressure will always boil at 100 deg C & freeze at 0 deg C - this will always be the case, even in a thousand years time we wont be able to get water to boil at 200 degrees!!

 

same with light speed - scientists know how mass & speed & energy are connected and they always will be ;)

 

yep, and it works both ways though, there were 9 planets at the turn of the century now there is only 8

 

the Mayans knew the world was round and that it rotated around the sun, then the Europeans called it flat and that it had edges, now we know its round again.

 

Life couldn't live with out energy from the sun, which we now know is false, and also that it couldn't possibly live at extreme temperatures high sulfate levels which has also been proven wrong.

 

Just because light travels that fast, doesnt mean there isn't something else in the universe that can travel faster, we just might not have the technology to detect it, only thing it would do is prove that something can travel faster than light.

 

taking light away doesnt make things disappear, they are still very much present you just cant see them. so to say nothing can travel faster than light i feel is fundamentally wrong, i believe we just haven't discovered what can yet.

 

gravity is still a very much unknown factor as well, strong enough to pull two galaxies together, yet weak enough to allow you to jump.

 

as for water boiling at 100c, well depends what pressure its under. each planet no doubt has its own pressure, so would depend on what planet your on at the time you make the assumption.

I cant see it EVER happening - people like to think ANYTHING is possible - sadly there are so many things we do know that just cant be changed. The energy required to accellerate a mass anywhere near light speed makes it impossible (hence Einsteins E=MC2) the faster you travel the more fuel you need, this increases the mass further of the object you are trying to accellerate & hence even more fuel is needed!!

 

Apart from that light can only travel at the speed of light as photons (particles of light) have no mass

 

Ok, so even if we ignore this & we find some miraculous form of energy that has no mass & we can acheive even near light speed - thats still a 1200 year return journey to that planet LOL!

AND - thats ignoring the fact of how long it would take to accellerate to near light speed, I mean, seriously - most people could black out in a fighter jet at full accelleration!! Imaging how long it would take to even get to near light speed!! LOL!! We would all be splattered on the rear of the spaceship!!

 

There are also some other things to consider -

 

first, space is really dark - you would need faster than light headlights or you would not be able to see another ship in front of you - stop lights are going to be pointless too. And dont get me started on stopping distances!! :lol::lol::lol:

 

From what I understand, once we get a handle on anti-matter and the aforementioned higgs boson, then pretty much most of the universe is a possible fuel supply, that weighs... nothing! That said, it seems highly unlikely that we are just on the edge of the big break through, but maybe one day that will come.

 

Regardinging the acceleration point though - don't you need gravity to experience G-force? Surely in space you would be completely unaware of any acceleration, physically at least?

 

What we really need is to fire someone into a black hole and see what happens.. Where's Zedzilla when you need him?? :tt2:

I know - & people like to think this, however there are some things that cannot ever change once you understand!!

 

think like this - hundreds of years ago people thought the world was flat - we now know its a sphere - its not going to change into a cube in the future no matter how much people might want it to be different!! LOL!!

 

pure water under normal atmosheric pressure will always boil at 100 deg C & freeze at 0 deg C - this will always be the case, even in a thousand years time we wont be able to get water to boil at 200 degrees!!

 

same with light speed - scientists know how mass & speed & energy are connected and they always will be ;)

 

But they also know we're made up of molecules, they didn't think transmission of data via light was possible not that long ago, the only way to transmit data back then was by audio or electrical pulses at best, but usually by sound waves.

 

It was deemed 'impossible' to travel at the speed of sound, but we've done that and more! What you're comparing are facts, no one has determined it is impossible to travel at the speed of light, you're still thinking in the lines of convention travel, i.e. we are inside something and it requires a fuel source, that fuel source must be capable of moving the mass we're inside of at x mph, etc.Yes the world will always be round and before we knew it we believed it was flat, yes water boils at 100c, which is a measurement WE as a race made up, as is the speed of light, it's not a fact as such, because the distances and times are all made up by us, man.

 

Essentially it is impossible, to say that travelling at the speed of light is impossible, because we already do send things at the speed of light, it's called data, you're using it right now, in more ways than just looking at your computer monitor too. It's entirely a possibility that we may be able to transmit physical objects at the speed of light, or potentially even faster. It isn't something that's been proven cannot be done. Got the internal combustion engine isn't even THAT old, nor is the ion engine. As science progresses, so will the human race.

But they also know we're made up of molecules, they didn't think transmission of data via light was possible not that long ago, the only way to transmit data back then was by audio or electrical pulses at best, but usually by sound waves.

 

It was deemed 'impossible' to travel at the speed of sound, but we've done that and more! What you're comparing are facts, no one has determined it is impossible to travel at the speed of light, you're still thinking in the lines of convention travel, i.e. we are inside something and it requires a fuel source, that fuel source must be capable of moving the mass we're inside of at x mph, etc.Yes the world will always be round and before we knew it we believed it was flat, yes water boils at 100c, which is a measurement WE as a race made up, as is the speed of light, it's not a fact as such, because the distances and times are all made up by us, man.

 

Essentially it is impossible, to say that travelling at the speed of light is impossible, because we already do send things at the speed of light, it's called data, you're using it right now, in more ways than just looking at your computer monitor too. It's entirely a possibility that we may be able to transmit physical objects at the speed of light, or potentially even faster. It isn't something that's been proven cannot be done. Got the internal combustion engine isn't even THAT old, nor is the ion engine. As science progresses, so will the human race.

 

Just to add to this, its a known fact they use a move called "slingshotting" to help speed space craft up by using the gravitational force of stars and planets to "slingshot" it into space and on the correct trajectory.

 

Imaging the sling shot you would get from a black hole if you didn't get sucked in.