been having a bit oif a chew on getting quotes for the M3, some were ridicicoulus (spelling) about £2300 or there abouts

 

got an online quote for £740 with elephant

 

anyhoos, just payed for the insurance, they asked what i did and said i was a plumbing and heating engineer, they put in plumber and it went from £740 to £790?, he put engineer back in and it dropped to £730??????

 

 

 

i dont understand it but ive just saved a tenner lol

 

 

 

fully comp, 2003 M3 cabby parked on the road, i live in prob a higher risk property, i do 5000 miles a year, im 31-32 in august, fully comp protected with 14 years no claims for £730 with a £150 voluntry excess and a 100 compulsory

 

 

 

didt think that was bad, i get legal cover, courtesy car till mine is repaired and free windscreen cover

ouch, how much did u pay for the zed?

about £400 a year, didnt think it was bad, a lad on the next estate is apying about 2k for insurance on his M3

not bad! wait till you get to my age it will come right down!:wheelchair::lol:

 

dan.:biggrin:

lol Some of the ways the ole insurance computers calculate premiums.

 

...but dont get me started on the whole "engineer" job title thing, boils my blood the way its used in this country. In other countries the title is legally protected like "Dr." is, and is as highly regarded.

well im a time served plumbing and heating engineer, although ive never done it for so long ive forgotten more than i know now

 

but if it gets me cheaper insurance then so be it lol

I hate insurance. because of my job i am not aloud to drive any one else's car even fully comp :rant:.

 

work that one out :rant:

well im a time served plumbing and heating engineer, although ive never done it for so long ive forgotten more than i know now

 

but if it gets me cheaper insurance then so be it lol

 

Wasn't doubting your Plumbing skills Alan.

 

What I meant was an Engineer is somebody who has done the 4+ years of Studying an Engineering degree, just as a Medical Doctor or Lawyer has to do.

 

Engineering is basically applied Mathematics, or as a collegue put it the other day "Its Maths...but Louder"

 

In other countries you can only be called an Engineer if you have the apppriate degree qualifications, and often only if you have gained full chartered status.

 

Its one of the hardest degree qualifications you can earn and also one of the highest paid and highly sought after professions, but its value is somewhat demeaned in the UK by every other job out there having the term engineer incorrectly tagged onto it.

 

I've incorrectly had an engineer job title myself a couple of times in the past, and its mistakingly used everywhere, usually in technician(skilled labour) type roles, but you can get served by a "produce engineer" at your local Tesco's. :sad:

 

 

/end of thread Hijack, sorry lol.

Edited April 14, 201114 yr by Yowser

Wasn't doubting your Plumbing skills Alan.

 

What I meant was an Engineer is somebody who has done the 4+ years of Studying an Engineering degree, just as a Medical Doctor or Lawyer has to do.

 

Engineering is basically applied Mathematics, or as a collegue put it the other day "Its Maths...but Louder"

 

In other countries you can only be called an Engineer if you have the apppriate degree qualifications, and often only if you have gained full chartered status.

 

Its one of the hardest degree qualifications you can earn and also one of the highest paid and highly sought after professions, but its value is somewhat demeaned in the UK by every other job out there having the term engineer incorrectly tagged onto it.

 

I've incorrectly had an engineer job title myself a couple of times in the past, and its mistakingly used everywhere, usually in technician(skilled labour) type roles, but you can get served by a "produce engineer" at your local Tesco's. :sad:

 

 

/end of thread Hijack, sorry lol.

 

but does that 4+ year degree student have common sense and forethought to do the job! what pisses me off is these degree boys falling out of university walking straight into a management position with no life or people skill and **** it all up!! seen this many times in my "trade". i didn't go to university as i did not want the financial burden it had.. but i did study mechanical engineering at college for 3 years, been working in the trade for 10 years and at my current job for the last 8, if i was shit at engineering principles i would be working in tescos now don't ya think!

Edited April 14, 201114 yr by hellraiser

btw allAn i use engineer and machinist when doing quotes myself. they dont recognise toolmaker as an option.

but does that 4+ year degree student have common sense and forethought to do the job! what pisses me off is these degree boys falling out of university walking straight into a management position with no life or people skill and **** it all up!! seen this many times in my "trade". i didn't go to university as i did not want the financial burden it had.. but i did study mechanical engineering at college for 3 years, been working in the trade for 10 years and at my current job for the last 8, if i was shit at engineering principles i would be working in tescos now don't ya think!

 

You make a fair point Gaz, and one thats found in any professional role really. Experience is so important.

 

A good share of theoritical and pratical skills is key. I see a real mix of fellow students, some very hands-on mechanically but may struggle with some of the hardcore maths displinces, and others who enoy nothing more than calculating thermodynamic efficiences but have never really turned a spanner.

 

But this is irrelevent really to the point I was making, about the protection of job titles.

 

Your reply seems very hostile, as if you took offence to my post? Your job is highly skilled, no doubt about that at all, but the use of the title is not about the skill of ones job.

 

A Lawyer wouldn't call himself an Architect. And its not employee's fault, the job title your given is what your given.

Edited April 14, 201114 yr by Yowser

You make a fair point Gaz, and one thats found in any professional role really. Experience is so important.

 

A good share of theoritical and pratical skills is key. I see a real mix of fellow students, some very hands-on mechanically but may struggle with some of the hardcore maths displinces, and others who enoy nothing more than calculating thermodynamic efficiences but have never really turned a spanner.

 

But this is irrelevent really to the point I was making, about the protection of job titles.

 

Your reply seems very hostile, as if you took offence to my post? Your job is highly skilled, no doubt about that at all, but the use of the title is not about that.

 

no hostility just feel that engineer is not the only title being miss interperated, i just feel that a degree is not the be all and end all for a title, some skilled by experiences should imo be also taken into account.

 

people generally call me an engineer as its the easiest thing to relate too, i have also used the term myself as sometimes i cannot be arsed to describe my actual job, i know of a few mechanics that are mistakenly called i personally would call them cowboys.

 

terms used to describe my job:

machinist

cnc turner/miller

toolmaker

diemaker

toolfitter

mechanical engineer

precision engineer

 

all pretty much describing the same job or parts which are incorperated into my job,

 

i can also add

 

general dogs body

secretary

pc advice (slightly more knowledge then my boss but no technician)

design and development engineer

design and development technician

fitter

fabricator

 

 

its a whole can of worms, so tbh i dont know wtf to call my job title LOL

but a lawyers job is nowhere near the same type of job as an architect either, the term engineer is quite a broad term to describe somebody who works in the engineering trade.:)

 

sorry allAn for the hijack lol

but a lawyers job is nowhere near the same type of job as an architect either, the term engineer is quite a broad term to describe somebody who works in the engineering trade.:)

 

sorry allAn for the hijack lol

 

Its incorrectly used as a broad term. Ofcourse its far better to call a Machinest an Engineer than it is to call the guy that fitted my Sky TV dish an Engineer though.

 

But an Engineer is an academic term, for a professional that uses Mathematic and scientific knowledge to design a system.

 

A simplified model of a system, such as a car engine , would be -

 

A Engineer designs it.

A Technician builds it.

A Mechanic maintains it.

i agree the term engineer became an academic term just after ww2 , before then it was given to a time served apprentice or skilled by experience employee,

 

i suppose the rich wanted the title all to themselves as the "common" man back then could not afford to go to university as it was generally only the place for the wealthy LOL

 

i do all of the above

 

"A Engineer designs it.

A Technician builds it.

A Mechanic maintains it." :)

Go spend that tenner on stella Al. That's what i'd do anyhow.

i reckon allAn should spend it on a baseball cap and a fake gold chain to match his ganster emfree LOL

 

ONLY JESTING allAn

pmsl, emfree lol

 

and whats with the odd capitals lol

pmsl, emfree lol

 

and whats with the odd capitals lol

 

a long time ago i used to spell your name wrong allen instead of allan. you made a specific point in one post of typing allAn. i have typed it this way ever since and i have waited all this time for you to notice LOL only taken 3 years i think :tt2:

PMSL, i remember now lol

 

nice one mate

Good news on the insurance Allan!

 

Richard:rockon: