Hi All,

After a recent set back with attempting to bond my rear spoiler to tailgate, the ms polymer adhesive never set :angry:

 

I was wondering if my Z would pass the MOT with the holes in the tailgate?

 

(the holes being the original spoiler mounting holes, 6 small holes and the letter box size cut out)

 

Thanks

 

 

:shuriken:

There could be a problem with the cut out for the brake light being a sharp external pannel but not shure, someone will be along soon to advise better.

just put some gaffer tap over them.. long as it is not sharp it will pass a MOT

Nah, will be fine for the MOT - sharp edges only applies to edges caused by damage or corrosion anyway. In theory you could weld razor blades to the car & they would have to pass it LOL!!

just put some gromets in the holes

gaffa tape them if your worried.Sharp edges will fail the mot if theyre likely to cut someone thats walking past the car,foglights on the bumper with no glass is one i saw fail,due to sharp edges on the rim,rearspare wheel carrier on a 4x4 without a spare wheel mounted was another.silly,but if in doubt tape it up during the test.

as Paul c has already stated,a jagged edge is not a fail UNLESS its caused by damage or corrosion.if its not you CANT fail it.and that is gospel.It doesnt matter how sharp any protrusion is on the car if its outside the failure criteria.

as Paul c has already stated,a jagged edge is not a fail UNLESS its caused by damage or corrosion.if its not you CANT fail it.and that is gospel.It doesnt matter how sharp any protrusion is on the car if its outside the failure criteria.

 

NOT TRUE...A sharp edge of any sort will fail.Take a car to the mot without a front bumper and bumper irons still on,it will fail!Any sharp edges will fail,if its possible a pedestrian can hurt themself on it.Bootspoiler holes wont fail!,unless the holes were ragged with rust and had sharp edges.My garage mot preps cars weekly.Even if your arches or wings are holed with sharp edges,some gaffa tape covering it would let you pass the test.Drilled spoiler holes wont fail.Bumper irons,covered in foam padding WILL pass.Common sense is all it takes.

NOT TRUE...A sharp edge of any sort will fail.Take a car to the mot without a front bumper and bumper irons still on,it will fail!Any sharp edges will fail,if its possible a pedestrian can hurt themself on it.Bootspoiler holes wont fail!,unless the holes were ragged with rust and had sharp edges.My garage mot preps cars weekly.Even if your arches or wings are holed with sharp edges,some gaffa tape covering it would let you pass the test.Drilled spoiler holes wont fail.Bumper irons,covered in foam padding WILL pass.Common sense is all it takes.

 

Since you disagree with Paul and Jimmer who are both Mot testers, are you perhaps confusing the VOSA inspection rules, such as used for new/kit cars, rather than Mot regulations.

Edited November 27, 201015 yr by Yowser

Since you disagree with Paul and Jimmer who are both Mot testers, are you perhaps confusing the VOSA inspection rules, such as used for new/kit cars, rather than Mot regulations.

Well no,theres no confusion,its common sense at the end of the day,ultimately,its down to the testers idea of what safe and whats not,this is the case with any mot requirement eh,one guy might pass it,another might not.The basic rules are,if the car can injure a passer by,it should/can be failed,,now this will be down to in the mot guidelines, either damage,example,a wing thats torn after an impact,or rustholes,as no car comes as standard with sharp protusions on the body lol.Either that or its been added on after,(ie razor blades..but im sure the constabulary would pull you before you got to the testing station!)Ive had to remove a 7" spotlamp from the bumper of a car once because the lens was missing(strictly speaking,it wasnt damaged,but it was sharp-ish...)The thing is,does a missing part of the bodywork come in as damage,well,this is up to the individual tester to decide.

Vosa requirements for kitcars are ever stricter,we're lucky with the mot :))!

Nope - it is NOT down to the testers idea of what is safe & whats not! There are certain strict criteria for what you can fail on & what you cannot!

 

From the testers manual:

 

Body Condition This part of the examination applies to all vehicles.

 

4. Examine the body work for excessive corrosion or damage resulting in sharp edges which are likely to cause injury.

 

4. A sharp edge or projection, caused by corrosion or damage, which renders the vehicle dangerous to other road users, including pedestrians

 

A tester CAN NOT fail for any other reason!! Or should not LOL!

A tester CAN NOT fail for any other reason!! Or should not LOL!

I know what the manual says,but for a 20 second temporary fix with gaffer tape,would you bother doing it or wait and see if it fails for you to appeal later.As I said,its common sense.Mot testers are just regular people,good days bad days,Friday afternoon or Monday morning,some testers will stick to the rules rigidly,others use the manual as guide open to his or her interpertation.As I said in my own experience,I have had to remove the front foglamp off a car before during the test,due to "sharp edges" because of a missing lens,no damage,another time he commented on a missing spare wheel off the rear carrier,they were my customers cars,I didnt think ,going by the manuals wording that they would pick up on it,but these testers did,I take cars every week to them,they didnt fail,I just fixed it there and then.As you said,going by the book,a tested should not fail for any reason other than what the book says,but they do.:tt2:

Next time the commisioner is stood watching you with his clipboard,you say to him,"Umm,Im not sure what to do here,this car has razor blades welded to the sides" hahah

Next time the commisioner is stood watching you with his clipboard,you say to him,"Umm,Im not sure what to do here,this car has razor blades welded to the sides" hahah

 

Err - I never said I'm not sure what to do! I would HAVE to pass & advise it & know for a fact that I would be wrong to do otherwise!

 

In fact I would be picked up for failing a car incorrectly & warned about it!

 

If its not in the book then thats it - end of! You can argue all day about what you think is right but I know for a fact that I am right :tongue::tongue::tongue:

 

In fact if any tester has been on a refresher course this is one of the things they pick up on & tell testers that it is NOT a reason for rejection unless it is caused by damage or corrosion.

 

Most people think that the MOT is a test to show the car is in good condition - the MOT test is an extremely low standard & a car that passes an MOT simply means that it has met the (low) criteria set out by VOSA.

BTW - are you actually a tester or are you just passing on pub information?! LOL!!

BTW - are you actually a tester or are you just passing on pub information?! LOL!!

 

Still,thats YOU,not every other tester in the UK.Anyway,Im not gonna sit here arguing,thats not what I intended to start when I posted here.I bow to your superior knowledge pal...

Im not a tester,you dont need to be a tester to read the manual.I am a garage owner and have been in the trade for 15 years or alittle more and been around cars alot longer.I dont need pub information,I learnt my trade through experience,not listening to tw9ts who do use pub information on the internet ;) x

BTW - are you actually a tester or are you just passing on pub information?! LOL!!

 

Still,thats YOU,not every other tester in the UK.Anyway,Im not gonna sit here arguing,thats not what I intended to start when I posted here.I bow to your superior knowledge pal...

Im not a tester,you dont need to be a tester to read the manual.I am a garage owner and have been in the trade for 15 years or alittle more and been around cars alot longer.I dont need pub information,I learnt my trade through experience,not listening to tw9ts who do use pub information on the internet ;) x

I know what your saying Ady. Not every mot tester does it to the book (fact) and they all have there own opinion etc

 

regardless of it being wright or wrong.

 

Paul works for merceedes i think so has to be done by the book but i doubt many little back street tester would :)

I know what your saying Ady. Not every mot tester does it to the book (fact) and they all have there own opinion etc

 

regardless of it being wright or wrong.

 

Paul works for merceedes i think so has to be done by the book but i doubt many little back street tester would :)

I know what your saying Ady. Not every mot tester does it to the book (fact) and they all have there own opinion etc

 

regardless of it being wright or wrong.

 

Paul works for merceedes i think so has to be done by the book but i doubt many little back street tester would :)

 

Oh absolutely,I agree.

I know what your saying Ady. Not every mot tester does it to the book (fact) and they all have there own opinion etc

 

regardless of it being wright or wrong.

 

Paul works for merceedes i think so has to be done by the book but i doubt many little back street tester would :)

 

Oh absolutely,I agree.

Oh absolutely,I agree.

 

100% wrong guys, No matter whether it is a small back street garage or a large main dealer MOT's have to be carried out to the same standard.

 

Yes there will be some differences of opinion when it comes to assessing some borderline defects, but a tester cant make up his own rules or deviate from methods of testing or basic failure criteria such as you are suggesting. If they do then they are risking their authorisation to test FACT!

Oh absolutely,I agree.

 

100% wrong guys, No matter whether it is a small back street garage or a large main dealer MOT's have to be carried out to the same standard.

 

Yes there will be some differences of opinion when it comes to assessing some borderline defects, but a tester cant make up his own rules or deviate from methods of testing or basic failure criteria such as you are suggesting. If they do then they are risking their authorisation to test FACT!

Hi All,

After a recent set back with attempting to bond my rear spoiler to tailgate, the ms polymer adhesive never set :angry:

 

I was wondering if my Z would pass the MOT with the holes in the tailgate?

 

(the holes being the original spoiler mounting holes, 6 small holes and the letter box size cut out)

 

Thanks

 

 

:shuriken:

 

As previously advised not an MOT failure, It would be different if you had cut some holes in a panel leaving jagged edges which could then be construed as damage.

 

I would however stick some tape over the hole's. Not for the MOT but to keep the snow and rain out :)

Hi All,

After a recent set back with attempting to bond my rear spoiler to tailgate, the ms polymer adhesive never set :angry:

 

I was wondering if my Z would pass the MOT with the holes in the tailgate?

 

(the holes being the original spoiler mounting holes, 6 small holes and the letter box size cut out)

 

Thanks

 

 

:shuriken:

 

As previously advised not an MOT failure, It would be different if you had cut some holes in a panel leaving jagged edges which could then be construed as damage.

 

I would however stick some tape over the hole's. Not for the MOT but to keep the snow and rain out :)

100% wrong guys, No matter whether it is a small back street garage or a large main dealer MOT's have to be carried out to the same standard.

 

 

Yeah i can totally agree. But i bet if you take our car to 5 differant garages i bet 2 out of the 5 will do somthing totally differant or miss things off the list etc.

 

That what im trying to say :wink:

100% wrong guys, No matter whether it is a small back street garage or a large main dealer MOT's have to be carried out to the same standard.

 

 

Yeah i can totally agree. But i bet if you take our car to 5 differant garages i bet 2 out of the 5 will do somthing totally differant or miss things off the list etc.

 

That what im trying to say :wink: