here in bournemouth theyre throwing there toys out the pram. over the plans to increase tuition fees. good stand up for what you believe in, here in england we let the goverment bully us about far too much. they argue that there not getting much time in the classroom for there money as it is, and increasing tution fees will make it impossible for poor families to go. now heres some counter points.

firstly the majority are not hardworking and not interested in working they are there because they couldnt decide what else to do and didnt want to get a job. so they went to uni got away from mum and dad and took up media. they then plan to not earn x amount for x amount of years to avoid paying back what they owe. great, so basically they get to spend a few hours a week sat down not turn theyre work in on time because theyre too busy socialising and watching crap tv, and then were left to pay the tab off. at which point they moan. grow up seriously.

so now theres police working overtime costing money them rioting and trashing stuff costing us money and the money they will spend on beer this afternoon once there bored is also the taxpayers, and you will never get it back. both sides need to take a long hard look. students need to grow up and be a little more career focused, youve had 18 years of free education time to start paying, or investing in your future more accuratly. the goverment needs to legistate better about who gets what and what they back, if they had jobs which is totally feasable for most to work full or longer weeks parttime, and stopped burning cash in the pub and spent a bit more free time studying not leaving it to the last minute. they would be in far less of a finanicial state. if a mother or two can raise her kids study at night and work full time im damn sure an 18 year old lad can force himself to do a bit more than watch jermery kyle all day.

if you want to be a professional, doctor, dentist whatever and you have the grades then its your right to go but it should be manditory that the right people are getting these oppertunities not people who are sort of interested because they cant think of anything else. and that they are working hard, more learning and earning less pissing it up the wall.

i watch my friends that have recently graduated or are graduating and i wanna slap em. there is no point training for a job that doesnt exist, and equally there is no point spending all taht cash and time to do nothing with it. common sense has gone out the window! and are we gonna protest because we disagree, no where too busy working to fund there day off!

here in bournemouth theyre throwing there toys out the pram. over the plans to increase tuition fees. good stand up for what you believe in, here in england we let the goverment bully us about far too much. they argue that there not getting much time in the classroom for there money as it is, and increasing tution fees will make it impossible for poor families to go. now heres some counter points.

firstly the majority are not hardworking and not interested in working they are there because they couldnt decide what else to do and didnt want to get a job. so they went to uni got away from mum and dad and took up media. they then plan to not earn x amount for x amount of years to avoid paying back what they owe. great, so basically they get to spend a few hours a week sat down not turn theyre work in on time because theyre too busy socialising and watching crap tv, and then were left to pay the tab off. at which point they moan. grow up seriously.

so now theres police working overtime costing money them rioting and trashing stuff costing us money and the money they will spend on beer this afternoon once there bored is also the taxpayers, and you will never get it back. both sides need to take a long hard look. students need to grow up and be a little more career focused, youve had 18 years of free education time to start paying, or investing in your future more accuratly. the goverment needs to legistate better about who gets what and what they back, if they had jobs which is totally feasable for most to work full or longer weeks parttime, and stopped burning cash in the pub and spent a bit more free time studying not leaving it to the last minute. they would be in far less of a finanicial state. if a mother or two can raise her kids study at night and work full time im damn sure an 18 year old lad can force himself to do a bit more than watch jermery kyle all day.

if you want to be a professional, doctor, dentist whatever and you have the grades then its your right to go but it should be manditory that the right people are getting these oppertunities not people who are sort of interested because they cant think of anything else. and that they are working hard, more learning and earning less pissing it up the wall.

i watch my friends that have recently graduated or are graduating and i wanna slap em. there is no point training for a job that doesnt exist, and equally there is no point spending all taht cash and time to do nothing with it. common sense has gone out the window! and are we gonna protest because we disagree, no where too busy working to fund there day off!

 

That's a bit "all eggs one basket". as much as i agree with some of what you put, not all students are like that. there are more Older students as well who this is hitting. and not everyone has it where they take out a bank loan or government grant or what ever it is. but don't student loans come from banks and not the tax payer? if it was the tax payer paying, then shouldn't more people be able to go on to higher education rather than the select few it is at the moment?

 

as much as it pains me to say this. i actually support them in their fight against the government. its about time this country got a back bone and fought for our rights. just so happens when a students beer money is threatened. they actually care enough to go protest. not that its going to change much, unlike the rest of the population who sit idly by while fuel prices increase, VAT increase, the general cost of living increases, yet wages stay the same.

 

there is a lot more to complain about than students putting there foot down, hell if they win we might actually get more protests for the good of the people rather than the good of the government.

 

Ive just seen that the harrier force from the Ark Royal has now left the deck leaving the country with no carrier force for the next 10 years. one of our most prominent forces in the ocean and country's defence has now been decommissioned and everyone is fine about it. they are fine to sit in there home and see that we have just lowered our defences. i wonder how long it will take argentina to invade the Falklands islands now we have no carrier in our fleet.

 

may be the banks can give back all that money the government gave them to bail them out, instead of raising the cost of living and stinging the British public more.

Edited November 24, 201015 yr by vodkashots

i wonder how long it will take argentina to invade the Falklands islands now we have no carrier in our fleet.

 

Completely ireivent, we would send subs that would fire missiles to exactly where they are needed, all the arentine aircraft need a proper runway which one sub could distroy without any problems.

 

Also they are too skint for a war they know they cant win either.

 

And if we really wanted to get planes there an allie country would lend us a ship or two ;)

Completely ireivent, we would send subs that would fire missiles to exactly where they are needed, all the arentine aircraft need a proper runway which one sub could distroy without any problems.

 

Also they are too skint for a war they know they cant win either.

 

And if we really wanted to get planes there an allie country would lend us a ship or two ;)

 

Sad to see the end of Sea Harriers and the Ark Royal it reminds me of the last days of Concord and imo a step backwards for Britain.:thumbdown:

Sad to see the end of Sea Harriers and the Ark Royal it reminds me of the last days of Concord and imo a step backwards for Britain.:thumbdown:

 

Sad indeed, but they are all outdated and will be replaced with far far superior kit :)

Completely ireivent, we would send subs that would fire missiles to exactly where they are needed, all the arentine aircraft need a proper runway which one sub could distroy without any problems.

 

Also they are too skint for a war they know they cant win either.

 

And if we really wanted to get planes there an allie country would lend us a ship or two ;)

 

we wouldn't send subs, we sent one last time we had a war with them. and that only sank one ship, and look at the crap we got when that happened.

 

as for a ally helping, America would need to get bombed before they are willing to help us. just look at last time we needed help lol

just look at last time we needed help lol

 

What you mean the last faulklands when then lent us ships ;)

firstly the majority are not hardworking and not interested in working they are there because they couldnt decide what else to do and didnt want to get a job. so they went to uni got away from mum and dad and took up media. they then plan to not earn x amount for x amount of years to avoid paying back what they owe. great, so basically they get to spend a few hours a week sat down not turn theyre work in on time because theyre too busy socialising and watching crap tv, and then were left to pay the tab off. at which point they moan. grow up seriously.

 

I went to Uni. I did Media Studies and Pro Writing. After a couple of years I made a career for myself digging shite out of rivers, lakes and canals:clown: So, yes it was a waste of time and I completely agree - I tossed it off for 3.5yrs (had to do a re-sit). I also had the best time of my life. I worked all the way through my uni course - restaurants, courier jobs etc - and life was sweet.

 

 

Even though I worked I still left with a lot of debt. So as soon as I finished my course I took a job, any job, to start earning. I spent 6 months working in a microwave meal factory and another 6 months knocking on doors selling gas and electric. I elected to pay my loan off straight away as I wanted to be debt free befor I was 30. At no point did I think about not paying back what I owe.

 

So not all students are sponging scroungers who think the world owes them a living. Quite a few are - but being generalistic about huge swathes of the public is tantamount to ignorancy. Many students do actually go to learn a career and do something useful and meaningful with their lives. Don't judge the many based on only a few.

 

Without higher education society would be a worse place and more elitest than it already is. It shouldn't just be available to the rich, it should be available to everyone (even if they do just toss it off).

here in bournemouth theyre throwing there toys out the pram. over the plans to increase tuition fees. good stand up for what you believe in, here in england we let the goverment bully us about far too much. they argue that there not getting much time in the classroom for there money as it is, and increasing tution fees will make it impossible for poor families to go. now heres some counter points.

firstly the majority are not hardworking and not interested in working they are there because they couldnt decide what else to do and didnt want to get a job. so they went to uni got away from mum and dad and took up media. they then plan to not earn x amount for x amount of years to avoid paying back what they owe. great, so basically they get to spend a few hours a week sat down not turn theyre work in on time because theyre too busy socialising and watching crap tv, and then were left to pay the tab off. at which point they moan. grow up seriously.

so now theres police working overtime costing money them rioting and trashing stuff costing us money and the money they will spend on beer this afternoon once there bored is also the taxpayers, and you will never get it back. both sides need to take a long hard look. students need to grow up and be a little more career focused, youve had 18 years of free education time to start paying, or investing in your future more accuratly. the goverment needs to legistate better about who gets what and what they back, if they had jobs which is totally feasable for most to work full or longer weeks parttime, and stopped burning cash in the pub and spent a bit more free time studying not leaving it to the last minute. they would be in far less of a finanicial state. if a mother or two can raise her kids study at night and work full time im damn sure an 18 year old lad can force himself to do a bit more than watch jermery kyle all day.

if you want to be a professional, doctor, dentist whatever and you have the grades then its your right to go but it should be manditory that the right people are getting these oppertunities not people who are sort of interested because they cant think of anything else. and that they are working hard, more learning and earning less pissing it up the wall.

i watch my friends that have recently graduated or are graduating and i wanna slap em. there is no point training for a job that doesnt exist, and equally there is no point spending all taht cash and time to do nothing with it. common sense has gone out the window! and are we gonna protest because we disagree, no where too busy working to fund there day off!

 

What utter drivel:yawn: Do you write for the Daily Mail by any chance:lol:

What you mean the last faulklands when then lent us ships ;)

 

Id like to know what ships the US lent us for that war? we sent 45 ships. and as far as I'm aware (considering my dad fought in that war) no US ships were there apart from a old one that we sank with a sub, that belonged to the argentines. be interesting to know what US ship was there though. as every website and military program never mentions them.

 

The US gave us help with ammo and missiles even though initially they wanted to remain neutral.

 

I was on about WW2 when the US refused to help us by joining the war. as stated with the Falklands they only helped with ammo/missiles and political pressure....eventually.

They offered is what I ment ;)

 

They offered the loan of U.S.S Eisenhower* or Keersage Carrers. And US Secretary of Defence Casper Weinberger offered Britain the use of virtually any military hardware we requested.

 

They also gave us the newer Sidewinder missiles so we had the upper hand in the air.

 

They provided satellite recon.

 

Doesnt sound like they turned their back on us?

just my 2 pence worth based on what i see people upto that are of that age. my age. and yes i agree we dont speak up for our rights nearly enough, but i this i dont think is nearly as import as people are making out. its not just the privagaed atm that can go anyone can, if your not choosey where you go or what you do. i realsie not all students are a waste of space. but there are alot that are

Why the fook should I pay for there education?

 

Sorry hate students....

there's definitely two sides to this. i went to uni to study an engineering deggree in performance car technology, but decided to buy a house and then realised i couldent really afford the house, so i dropped out and got a job. 3 years later and im the parts manager of a large agricultural dealership, working my ass off but mostly enjoying doing it. but while i was in university i didnt give it my all, and would have probrlably barely scraped though, so IMHO i didnt deserve the chance to be there, but if they put more effort into making sure only the ones who deserve the chance and those who want to study something worthwhile get in then perhaps they could find a happy medium some how.

I went to Uni a long time ago now, before the introduction of fees, but if they had been in place at the time, there is no way I would have been able to have gone. As it was I had to be one of the first intakes of students who had loans rather than grants!

I still believe in the principle of free education for all at all levels although I understand why thats not feasible.

I also worked all through uni, had lots of bar/shop/office jobs and had almost no financial suport from my family - if I still worked in higher education as I did for 7 yrs post graduation, I would have been joining the protests today

Why the fook should I pay for there education?

 

Sorry hate students....

 

^^^^ I have to agree,Im not sure either why i should cough for someone else to get educated to an extent where they can possibly earn 3 figures ?? In my mind thats like asking other people to have paid for my Lgv driving lessons.Uni is seen as bimble by a lot of students who take up Drama and Art or Media studies as a total wheeze,If it aint free youll wean out the dross and work shy imho.

Dont get me started on this! I am a single man paying full tax on everything I do, I dont have any children, dependents, I own my own house, I get nothing out of the system that I pay into. I dont use the benifits system at all. I think education should be free up to leaving the state secondary education at A level. Then you pay your own way or get a sponser. The company I worked for funded my further education at collage when I was an apprentice, they got their pay back by me working for them after for 5 years in the production workshops.

Edited November 24, 201015 yr by gruntpa64

Student wasters pah!

 

The biggest issue is that the courses are so long and drawn out, considering most courses are a day at week at most, and only last for about 8 months of the year. So thats roughly 35 days a year actually at uni. So if we say that over a 3 year course thats actually a 100 day course. You think, why cant it be condensed into a 6 month time scale (Still only 4 days a week!). Would certainly get the debt down as the average cost of uni would be cut by 6 times.

 

What really bugs me though is the amount of pointless courses (weather they were 6 months or 3 years!). There was a huge drive from the previous government that everyone must go to uni, well "proper" uni isnt for everyone so they had to invent endless courses for people.

 

I remember being sat in the common room with a group of my mates who were looking through uni prospectus' trying to find courses that they "could" do (i.e would have enough points to do ) rather than what they wanted to do.

I have to say some of you are a bit narrow minded here..

 

You're saying 'why should I pay for their education'.. What? A great deal of these people will go on to become high earners and therefor high tax contributors and effectively pay back their costs to society many times over. The thing that is getting my back up is that you're having a go at students cos they're an easy target which have been clearly stereotyped, when in fact most students do decent courses and have decent aspirations. Not all, but the majority. Just cos some of you didn't get the chance to spend 3 years in a drug-fuelled drunken stupor shagging anything that moved, don't be spiteful - you had the same chance as anyone else. And that's the whole fooking point of the argument.

 

If you wanna pick on groups within society focus you're aim on the scrounging masses who have no aspirations or intentions of contributing to the system.

 

In fact, I've never been to hospital - so why the fook should I pay for all you tossers who keep hurting yourselves and getting sick. Fook off to some other country you fooking accident prone bunch of weazing, sneazing toss bags..:blushing:

 

Now - if you haven't got a problem with that last statement - fine, I'll accept your rant at students. But basically, my point is - not everyone uses the full extent of what this country has to offer, but does that mean we shouldn't have to contribute? How do you want the country to end up? The first thing they ask you when you go to hospital 'Do you have you're credit card sir/madam', or when your kids go to school, or whenever you do anything frankly.

 

Look at the bigger picture..

 

WHo's gonna discover the next great leap in green fuel technology? It ain't gonna be some spotty kid on an apprenticeship at his local garage is it? The country (infact, all countries), need educated people to advance technology, build stuff, design stuff and generally do what the masses can't.

I have tried to stay off this topic as i saw posts about the Falklands and i am in the army myself so topics like that concern me alot. However on the topic of students im pretty sure i read that UK students pay the least amount of tuition fees in Europe or maybe the world. Does it seem strange though that the tax payers are paying for students to complete a degree that will offer them a higher paid job than some of the tax payers now? Also students is strongly linked to the immigration problem as UK has become all too nice for handing out benefits for living here.

 

Country is overcrowded with not enough jobs for the people here. There is alot of debates in the news and commons at the moment over these issues but so far i think the government is getting it right and tough measures need to be taken. Country is skint everyone needs to do that little bit more if they want to live here including students.

 

Just my 10 pence worth i could go on all day with quotes from the government as i am into politics however i must go to work to pay for students education :)

I have to say some of you are a bit narrow minded here..

 

You're saying 'why should I pay for their education'.. What? A great deal of these people will go on to become high earners and therefor high tax contributors and effectively pay back their costs to society many times over. The thing that is getting my back up is that you're having a go at students cos they're an easy target which have been clearly stereotyped, when in fact most students do decent courses and have decent aspirations. Not all, but the majority. Just cos some of you didn't get the chance to spend 3 years in a drug-fuelled drunken stupor shagging anything that moved, don't be spiteful - you had the same chance as anyone else. And that's the whole fooking point of the argument.

 

If you wanna pick on groups within society focus you're aim on the scrounging masses who have no aspirations or intentions of contributing to the system.

 

In fact, I've never been to hospital - so why the fook should I pay for all you tossers who keep hurting yourselves and getting sick. Fook off to some other country you fooking accident prone bunch of weazing, sneazing toss bags..

 

Now - if you haven't got a problem with that last statement - fine, I'll accept your rant at students. But basically, my point is - not everyone uses the full extent of what this country has to offer, but does that mean we shouldn't have to contribute? How do you want the country to end up? The first thing they ask you when you go to hospital 'Do you have you're credit card sir/madam', or when your kids go to school, or whenever you do anything frankly.

 

Look at the bigger picture..

 

WHo's gonna discover the next great leap in green fuel technology? It ain't gonna be some spotty kid on an apprenticeship at his local garage is it? The country (infact, all countries), need educated people to advance technology, build stuff, design stuff and generally do what the masses can't.

 

 

Could not agree more.

I don't think someone spending 3 years studying wheel clamping is going to discover green energy?

 

No one is saying people shouldn't go to uni, if they become high earners what does it

Matter that they have to pay a paltry 5k extra back?

 

I made the decision not to go to uni as it seemed a waste of time and money mainly because I didn't know what I wanted to do with life so rather than going an doing any old course to have a drink and drug fueled 3 years I thought I'll get a job and start contributing rather than wasting everyone s times with a pointless course.

 

I don't think it would be so bad if students actually did any work. I remember a mate of mine complainin he had 3 3 hour lectures a week. This was at a time I was working 12 hour days terminating fibre cables across the country....

Edited November 25, 201015 yr by RichardS
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I have to say some of you are a bit narrow minded here..

 

You're saying 'why should I pay for their education'.. What? A great deal of these people will go on to become high earners and therefor high tax contributors and effectively pay back their costs to society many times over. The thing that is getting my back up is that you're having a go at students cos they're an easy target which have been clearly stereotyped, when in fact most students do decent courses and have decent aspirations. Not all, but the majority. Just cos some of you didn't get the chance to spend 3 years in a drug-fuelled drunken stupor shagging anything that moved, don't be spiteful - you had the same chance as anyone else. And that's the whole fooking point of the argument.

 

If you wanna pick on groups within society focus you're aim on the scrounging masses who have no aspirations or intentions of contributing to the system.

 

In fact, I've never been to hospital - so why the fook should I pay for all you tossers who keep hurting yourselves and getting sick. Fook off to some other country you fooking accident prone bunch of weazing, sneazing toss bags..:blushing:

 

Now - if you haven't got a problem with that last statement - fine, I'll accept your rant at students. But basically, my point is - not everyone uses the full extent of what this country has to offer, but does that mean we shouldn't have to contribute? How do you want the country to end up? The first thing they ask you when you go to hospital 'Do you have you're credit card sir/madam', or when your kids go to school, or whenever you do anything frankly.

 

Look at the bigger picture..

 

WHo's gonna discover the next great leap in green fuel technology? It ain't gonna be some spotty kid on an apprenticeship at his local garage is it? The country (infact, all countries), need educated people to advance technology, build stuff, design stuff and generally do what the masses can't.

 

Well said mate ... :thumbup1:

I don't think someone spending 3 years studying wheel clamping is going to discover green energy?

 

No one is saying people shouldn't go to uni, if they become high earners what does it

Matter that they have to pay a paltry 5k extra back?

 

I made the decision not to go to uni as it seemed a waste of time and money mainly because I didn't know what I wanted to do with life so rather than going an doing any old course to have a drink and drug fueled 3 years I thought I'll get a job and start contributing rather than wasting everyone s times with a pointless course.

 

I don't think it would be so bad if students actually did any work. I remember a mate of mine complainin he had 3 3 hour lectures a week. This was at a time I was working 12 hour days terminating fibre cables across the country....

 

A three year course in wheel clamping? now you're stretching the realms of reality a little... A wheel clamping course would be at least 5 yrs:tt2:

 

The thing is, a lot of people who go to uni don't end up in the profession they expected. I wanted to write articles for car mags and generally get paid to drive fast cars. In reality I ended up doing something less pretentious and more practicle, but - my uni course showed that I could apply myself to a certain subject and achieve 'x' amount at it. I'm not a failure just because I didn't get a career in motoring journalism - but at least I got a shot at it.

 

I was the last year to get grants towards my higher education and feel very fortunate for it. I think its unfair to deny students something that I benefitted from. Today's students are already leaving uni with 20k+ of debt, which, to me, is totally unacceptable. To some students this will undoubtedly put them off - and more likely - poorer students, from less well off backgrounds. One of these unfortunates might just find the cure for cancer or how to elicit energy from anti-matter. But if they miss out on their chance purely for financial reasons, then IMO - theres something very wrong with the system.

 

If I had my time again, I'd do an engineering degree and actually try and utilise my education. But don't assume all students are merely tossing it off just because they don't know what they want to do. Many people change careers in todays society and economic uncertainty. Yes, students do have an easy life - I can't defend that, but they only get out what they put in. But their opportunity should not be limited to their ability to pay.

I have to say some of you are a bit narrow minded here..

 

You're saying 'why should I pay for their education'.. What? A great deal of these people will go on to become high earners and therefor high tax contributors and effectively pay back their costs to society many times over. The thing that is getting my back up is that you're having a go at students cos they're an easy target which have been clearly stereotyped, when in fact most students do decent courses and have decent aspirations. Not all, but the majority. Just cos some of you didn't get the chance to spend 3 years in a drug-fuelled drunken stupor shagging anything that moved, don't be spiteful - you had the same chance as anyone else. And that's the whole fooking point of the argument.

 

If you wanna pick on groups within society focus you're aim on the scrounging masses who have no aspirations or intentions of contributing to the system.

 

In fact, I've never been to hospital - so why the fook should I pay for all you tossers who keep hurting yourselves and getting sick. Fook off to some other country you fooking accident prone bunch of weazing, sneazing toss bags..:blushing:

 

Now - if you haven't got a problem with that last statement - fine, I'll accept your rant at students. But basically, my point is - not everyone uses the full extent of what this country has to offer, but does that mean we shouldn't have to contribute? How do you want the country to end up? The first thing they ask you when you go to hospital 'Do you have you're credit card sir/madam', or when your kids go to school, or whenever you do anything frankly.

 

Look at the bigger picture..

 

WHo's gonna discover the next great leap in green fuel technology? It ain't gonna be some spotty kid on an apprenticeship at his local garage is it? The country (infact, all countries), need educated people to advance technology, build stuff, design stuff and generally do what the masses can't.

 

Couldn't agree more, I wanted to reply something along those lines last night but was too tired and couldn't find the right words without being too inflammatory. Like you said, we need educated people with high aspirations to ensure there are innovaters/high tax payers/drs/academics etc. Like I said before I come from a very ordinary working class background and would never have been able to go to uni without funding. As it is, I have spent all my working life so far working in the Public Sector (and earning a pittance I hasten to add) hopefully providing a service and more than giving back what gained through any taxpayers money.....

There is still alot of people doing degrees that are not of that caliber that will not discover anything apart from the queue at the job centre. Im all for being leaders in technology and advancements however that is only a small proportion of the degrees that are studied. The topic that was started though was about students protesting about higher tuition fees and not the masses doing nothing for the country their day will come with the benefit cuts. To not be narrow minded would be to accept the economic disaster we are currently in and think well would you rather more comes off the health budget or the defense budget? In all it is an act of balancing so therefore each different group of people cannot expect to not face some cuts or rises in fees.