How long this thread will last who knows, someone get the stopwatch out :lol:

 

First off I would like to say this is not aimed at anyone, it is not a slanging match and would like it kept to just sensible comments and replies without it degrading into a mod slanging battle as that is far from what this thread is about.

 

I'd like to know why we are not allowed to mention or express opinions about banned members?

 

And I don’t mean making comment on if you feel their ban was right or wrong, just saying its a shame they are not here etc or even asking another member why they are no longer about, your jumped on by mods and told that kind of talk will get you into trouble.

 

Now the people being banned is the committee decision and final and that’s how it is, we accept that and respect their decision, completely fare enough.

 

But why on earth is the mere mention of any banned member’s name being treated as a hanging offence?

 

Now we have all seen the threads being dug up recently from "the good old days" and it can’t help to make you wonder if we are being a little too moderated these days purely because they "can" moderate a thread not because it needs it.

70% of the time if a (questionable) thread if left to run its course without comments or warnings from mods they end nicely and with no need for butting in, yet recently mods are jumping in with "Any more or this that or the other and your all in the sin bin" making a thread escalate where as if they said nothing it would have gone on quite happily for another page or two and then ended on its own without bad feeling being unduly caused.

 

Moderation is a very difficult subjective job, but is of course completely necessary, needed and even welcome.

 

I take my hat off to those who do it as it not easy. But I really do think its time for a sit down and rethink on what really denotes a thread in need of moderation or not.

 

I say this with the good of the club and it's existing and future member in mind not as a random rant.

 

I hope I’ve not pissed off too many people by posting it, and that it stays open and is taken in the meaning of it being written and without reading between the lines as there is nothing to read there.

 

Nick

"tooled up with intent" it's called ;)

 

everybody is capable but not everybody will act upon it :yes:

everybody is capable but not everybody will act upon it :yes:

 

That is indeed correct. :scooter:

That is indeed correct. :scooter:

 

so if you agree you would also agree to

you cannot alienate everybody when they have the ability of causing harm. you should only act upon the person who is actually creating damage.

nick i think your totally wrong, my gripe is that nickz32 hasnt posted in ages and all he done was to provoke and inflame and situation he knows nowt about, and he even continued to try and drag it down, are we supposed to let them mouth off and sit back and do nothing

 

also with regards to the regi users selling, its the same on all forums, if its not allowed then it gets moderated, sometimes stepping in and reminding the user that its not allowed is needed

 

we have chancers who know fine well what they are doing

nick i think your totally wrong, my gripe is that nickz32 hasnt posted in ages and all he done was to provoke and inflame and situation he knows nowt about,

 

Yeah, but you also knew replying to him would result in another reply and it being dragged down further into tit for tat arguing.

 

So your just as much to blame, yet he is the trouble maker because he is not the mod ;)

nah mate, your wrong, he would have carried on and on and on, i felt it was right to reply to him and quite a few other people did aswell

Cant see it fella, he was only replying to you. I was telling him to shut up and get on topic myself but he ignored me.

 

I'm sure if you just let it lye he would have shut up with no none to arge with ;)

i think we will have to agree to disagree on this one

i think we will have to agree to disagree on this one

 

:)

 

wow, just read this all the way through, i should be in the pub but had to read it! Stellaz, as said many times before, well handled, and i think very diplomatic, calm, relevant and composed...

 

When you get a large number of different personalities, all sat at a keyboard reading writing on a screen, things will clash, fact, it's unavoidable. Things can be 'Typed' and cause offence, but if said face to face may cause a laugh attack, that's the nature of the tinterweb. However, we are all grown ups, with our own oppinions, I have had no problems on here EVER, I don't like to use FunkySi as an example, but it is the only one i have, I have asked many questions on here, example 'what do ya think of this?' Si has come back (and many others too) and said it's shit, fair do's! I asked the question, i didn't ask 'Will everyone tell me this looks great?' So I take those oppinions on board and don't do whatever i was going to do, that's why i asked the question! If you don't want an oppinion, don't ask for one... Like i said, this is just a 'generalisiation' and in no way is reffered to anyone at all....

 

And as for getting a warning for potentially selling something, I ain't subbed (will be very soon :) so i don't go there, common sense really. Anyways, play nice people, i love this site, i think it's modded perfectly if you just be a half decent member of the 'community', i might be talking shite, but there ya go...

 

*****cks, missed the pub now :( haha....

so if you agree you would also agree to

you cannot alienate everybody when they have the ability of causing harm. you should only act upon the person who is actually creating damage.

 

Of course I'm referring to the police, not the Mods here ;)

So I can't really comment on their policies now can I, after all I don't go around breaking the law, or intending to, so it's not likely to affect me :D

As for here, and like I have already stated, I think a lot get away with a lot more than they would on other forums, but then I like it the way we have it, I think we have a good balance. OK so it doesn't please everybody (a lot of the time because it doesn't go their way!!), but you can't please everyone all of the time now can you? It's called compromise, something that a few members should look up in a dictionary sometime ;)

Cant see it fella, he was only replying to you. I was telling him to shut up and get on topic myself but he ignored me.

 

I'm sure if you just let it lye he would have shut up with no none to arge with ;)

 

I am fully aware this is slightly off topic. However i feel some posts require a response.

 

Granted, initially i did ignore you coz i had a bee in my bonnet. Sorry, but it happens to the best of us. However, I got back on topic and asked some relevant questions, which were met with either "this is silly" or "your causing trouble".

 

Granted i threw in a couple of sarcastic remarks. im a sarcastic person. Doesnt mean im causing trouble.

 

Granted, i havent posted on here for a while..... and? The topic of this thread is one of the reasons i stopped posting. Now the issue is open for discussion, i want to express my opinion. But it appears that my opinion is "trouble making" because i got the arse earlier in the thread. I post a perfectly legitamate opinion and pose a couple of questions, and im still trouble making? And yes, some of my post were again, sarcastic, because it appeared i was being met with the opinion of "you havent posted here for a while so your opinion counts for shit because i think your causing trouble". I may be wrong, but thats how i interpreted the responses.

 

Finally, i was interpreted as prying for an arguement. Whats the difference between an arguement and a heated disussion????

Blimey this thread is still here!

 

Bumpy road and we nearly fell off a couple of times but has all in all has been very well conducted.

 

My main point of concern and the reason this thread was started has been displayed here also which helps highlight my point.

 

The tit for tat posts between StelaZ and Nick32.

This above anything else on this forum is what causes problems. There have been posts by Nick32 here that dont really need any kind of reply and could just be left alone, yet StelaZ will reply faning the flames even more and escalating the situation, and of course Nick32 will then have to reply to StellaZ etc etc etc.

Now if it was user v's user then its fine, you will have to end with agreeing to disagree and just walking away. But because its user v's mod the user becomes a "trouble maker" and it will only end in "I will make sure I win becuse I have to power to make sure I win" by the mod. Post deletion, thread locking, thread deletion, user ban. And really the only crime is having a different opinion from a mod. Is that really a crime?

 

I would really like to see a little less moderation, and I think you'l find there is less problem threads as most will sort themselves out. To be honest most threads are fine til a mod jumps in and again we start with the user v's mod sinario.

 

Classic example.

 

"Im thinking of selling"

 

"Your not alowed to think about selling outloud someone might by your car and your not subbed"

 

This is not a for sale thread

 

It might be

 

But in 20 posts so far and its not

 

But it might be and if you carry on i'll close it

Ive been here ages your out of order

 

Thread closed

 

We have all seen them, and it would have been absolutley fine until the mod decided to flex the mod muscles causing a row.

 

We all know the rules and if it becomes a sale thread just close it with a reason, job done. Sometimes there are just blatent sale threads and again just close them like you do with a note and all is well.

 

Its a little bit like this.

 

Say every time you got in your car you were pulled over by the law.

 

You can only do 30 on this road.

 

I know thats why I was doing 29

 

Yeah but you better not do 30

 

I know thats why I wasnt

 

dont argue with me I'm in charge and telling you the laws!

 

Inforce laws that are broken, you dont need to remind us your a mod and overwatching us all the time. We know your there ;)

 

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

interesting read this stuff - thanks to Stella and others

 

the following is intended constructivly, its how i see a couple of things, i'm aware i can't see the whole story, however if i only have my view of something then that is what stays in my head even if i'm wrong. maybe others see stuff the same way

 

1. i posted an (i thought constructive) opinion in a thread a while ago and got acused of being one of the trouble makers who only come on here to cause trouble - that hurt as i come on here 2 or 3 times a day , nearly every day for about 8 years, and usually only talk about relevant helpfull stuff (imho) and yes i aplied to be a mod

 

2. just because someone posts on another forum with similar interests and considers others that do the same to be friends or aquantances or just someone i met on the internet doesn't mean they are anti this forum or its committeee or moderators. i read 5 other car forums and 8 technical forums, none of these are relevant to my opinion here. if i don't post here for a week or two it doesnt mean i like the comittee of another forum more than this one - it either means i'm busy or have nothing to say, please don't be rude to me when i do post

 

3, sometimes new people make idiots of themselves, sometimes through lack of understanding, sometimes because they are idiots. this forum sometimes seems to automatically asume they are idiots (or troublemakers) rather than in need of guidence.

 

4. a few misplaced "fu@k of to another forum" or "we are better of without that troublemaker" comments undo a lot of good moderating and could

discourage members new and old