my new years resolution was to get in shape as over the last 5 years i have gone up 1 stone in weight and from a 32 waist to 34. plus im getting married in august so i bought myself a multi gym and went on a diet. i have lost over a stone in weight and i'm well chuffed but i'm not happy how the gym is going i can tell the differance in my arms and legs but my stomach isn't as i thought it would be, its flat but i want a six pack/toned i do loads of sit ups (as this is the only thing i know to tone the stomach) and my stomach is very hard but doesnt look that differant. anyone got any tips, i have been on the gym for 6-8 weeks nearly every night and it just seems so slow going to get any results, i can see why people use steroids :(

well i went to the gym and i'm fookin knackered and wetter then a fish, i did rowing cycling and running plus others. i'll see if i improve tone wise

 

dont over do it mate , work ya self into it bit by bit , and make sure you drink plenty of water while your training , at least 1 1/2 litres if you can , this will help to stop the cramps you will at some time have , we all do , but the more you train the more you will no your own body and what it needs :)

 

and well done for putting ya self through your paces ;)

Taking steroids does not give you big muscles.

I used to be heavily into bodybuilding many years ago and know all about the pro's and con's, mainly the cons.

When you over train your muscles your actually tearing the muscle tissue, steroids increase the repair and recovery time of these muscles. Every time your muscles are damaged through this training by taking steroids you aid in their recovery and thus the muscle increases through rapid healing and increases in mass. The same way your heart muscle will be damaged and through the rapid repair of the tissue will expand and decrease flow to the arteries.

So if you want live past 50 without heart surgery don't take steroids.

dont say sorry Dave , that was a good post mate and was spot on!

 

His name is Chris !! :rofl:

Taking steroids does not give you big muscles.

I used to be heavily into bodybuilding many years ago and know all about the pro's and con's, mainly the cons.

When you over train your muscles your actually tearing the muscle tissue, steroids increase the repair and recovery time of these muscles. Every time your muscles are damaged through this training by taking steroids you aid in their recovery and thus the muscle increases through rapid healing and increases in mass. The same way your heart muscle will be damaged and through the rapid repair of the tissue will expand and decrease flow to the arteries.

So if you want live past 50 without heart surgery don't take steroids.

 

Ah you forgot that steroids increase cell volume so the fibres will carry alot more water making your muscle apear much larger... You may also apear bloated around the neck and stomach.They raise your testosterone levels increasing strength, sex drive, anabolic state and other things, they also have some nice side affects like spots, the runs, bloatedness, aggresion and lots more, There are diferent types of steroids which do diferent things increasing your anabolic state etc. Steroids were originally used in hospitals to aid healing of badly injured patients. Peeps just abuse them. You have to careful as everyone experences diferent effects, becasue your testosterone level rises your brain tries to balance your oestrogen levels and if you dont take the nessessary drugs to block these hormonses you could end up with man boobs hahahaha

 

sorry for the spelling guys:duffer::duffer:

Ah you forgot that steroids increase cell volume so the fibres will carry alot more water making your muscle apear much larger... You may also apear bloated around the neck and stomach. There are diferent types of steroids which do diferent things increasing your anabolic state etc. Steroids were originally used in hospitals to aid healing of badly injured patients. Peeps just abuse them.

 

What i meant was you can't just take steroids and expect great muscle gains. You can take steroids, get bitch tits and mood swings and massive water retention. Some guys think they're lucky but it catches up with you in the end.

I find it all very interesting. Especially when you watch friends doing it and all the changes and the downers too.. like watching lab rats haha

I find it all very interesting. Especially when you watch friends doing it and all the changes and the downers too.. like watching lab rats haha

 

I'll PM you.;)

Ah you forgot that steroids increase cell volume so the fibres will carry alot more water making your muscle apear much larger... You may also apear bloated around the neck and stomach.They raise your testosterone levels increasing strength, sex drive, anabolic state and other things, they also have some nice side affects like spots, the runs, bloatedness, aggresion and lots more, There are diferent types of steroids which do diferent things increasing your anabolic state etc. Steroids were originally used in hospitals to aid healing of badly injured patients. Peeps just abuse them. You have to careful as everyone experences diferent effects, becasue your testosterone level rises your brain tries to balance your oestrogen levels and if you dont take the nessessary drugs to block these hormonses you could end up with man boobs hahahaha

 

sorry for the spelling guys:duffer::duffer:

 

man boobs = moobs or Bitch tits as there none as in our gym...

 

 

 

 

Jeremy i was calling him dave because of his user name mate lol

just call me trigger! lmao :rofl:

i have taken this information from a site that i use, just thought some of us may find it intresting.

 

Steroid Information for Beginners

 

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This article was taken from Gavin's board so all credit goes to Gavin, it is a very good and simple article for beginners

 

Steroid Information for Beginners

By Gavin Kane

 

So you have finally made the decision to cross over to the dark side, the often talked about, but never discussed in public, use of anabolic steroids. You know you want to use them, but you don’t know what to use, how to use it, or even what they really are. This article will cover the very basics of steroid use, as well as safety information, and general knowledge so you can make an informed decision to use.

 

What are anabolic steroids?

Anabolic steroids are all synthetic forms or derivatives of the basic hormone testosterone. Testosterone is the primary male sex hormone. It causes physiological changes in the body, such as; body and facial hair, development of male sex organs, sperm production, deepening of the voice, and increased libido (hard-on’s).

 

Testosterone also creates increases in muscular size by way of protein synthesis and anabolic mechanisms. Testosterone interacts with lots of cells in the body, but since we are really only interested in muscle growth, I will focus on that action. When testosterone floats free in the blood stream, it looks for androgen receptors to attach to. One it attaches, it can start its activity by way of transcription and therefore an increase in the synthesis of two primary proteins, actin and myosin. In addition to this action, there will also be increases in red blood cell count, oxygen capacity, and some mobilization of fat cells.

 

Why are there so many different kinds of steroids?

One look at a steroid dealers list is enough to make anyone’s head spin. There are so many choices and options. What you must remember is that all steroids are chemically altered derivatives of the master hormone testosterone. Each chemical alteration allows the steroid molecule to exert a slightly different action in the body. Steroid are primarily classified as anabolic or androgenic, while this is a simple classification, you should know that all steroids are anabolic and androgenic, they just have varying degrees of each activity.

 

With that in mind, the more anabolic and less side effects a steroid has, the safer it is to use, but in that same theory, it will also be a less effective steroid. There are some steroids that are better for lean mass gains, some to assist in fat burning while dieting, some to add a lean hard look before a show, some for off-season and bulking, etc. Once you have determined what your goals are, that is how you determine what products to take for a cycle. Being that you are new to steroids, I will assume you are looking for more mass and assemble your product list and cycles accordingly.

 

What kind of side effects will I get from a cycle?

Most people have seen the commercials, print ads, or something with all the scare tactics of steroid side effects, hell, even in the locker room guys talk about your penis shrinking. Ignore everything you have heard, it is media hype, high school scare tactics and other misinformation. I am going to write out a complete list of possible side effects, and then discuss the real world and what to expect.

 

Possible side effects from steroid use include: Acne, aggression, anaphylactic shock, birth defects, blood clotting changes, cancer, depression, gynecomastia, hair loss, headaches, high blood pressure, immune system changes, kidney stress, liver stress, prostrate enlargement, sexual dysfunction, stunted growth, testicular atrophy, water retention, and virilization.

 

That is quite a list, but now I will write out what you can really expect with steroid use, how to combat it and why not to worry. The first and most common side effect is acne. Yup, good old zits, just like when you were in high school. The reason you get them is the same reason you got them then, increased oil production which is stimulated by androgens. Gyno, the dreaded bitch tits can come about as a result of too much androgen use without controlling estrogen. Hair loss is common in some users who abuse oral steroids; there will be little to no loss on safe and sane cycles. High blood pressure can occure due to increases in water retention and an increase in estrogen levels. Testicular atrophy or “raisin nuts” can occur during a cycle because you will shut off your natural testosterone production. Finally, sexual dysfunction can occur in a very long cycle, too high a dose, or post cycle if you don’t do a proper post cycle therapy.

 

You should remember that most side effects are the results of two things; too much or too long without using precautions. Too much mean taking too much of any product or the sum of products taken. There is no need to go overboard; twice as much does not equal twice as many gains. Too long means staying on cycle for excessive periods of time, and then starting another cycle when there has not been enough off time. Both of these problems are easily overcome, hence most side effects can be avoided.

 

What should I take for my first or second cycle?

Remember the old acronym KISS? That is the best applied advice for your first few steroid cycles. Honestly nothing more than a cycle of testosterone is needed to make incredible gains but nobody goes that simple anymore. Stacking, or the adding of multiple steroids together for a cycle has become far too common, even in new users. While there can be come synergy from stacking certain steroids, they will serve as no benefit to first time users.

some great advice on here i must say im shocked as their some good info about.

 

btw growth doesnt make you bigger without some sort of test included.

 

heres a simple plan if you can keep to it, remember we all weigh differently so adjust to your bodyweight.

 

eat regular to maintain your innsulin levels in your body.

 

meal one

 

5 eggs 1 yellow,50g oats, some fruit.

 

meal 2

 

150g chicken rice some nuts and fruit and veg

 

3

 

potatoe and tuna with some fruit.

 

4 pre workout casein protein drink

 

post workout

 

dextrose with whey protein.

 

meal 4

 

fish or meat with rice pasta or potatoes

 

5 some slow burning protein like milk cottage cheese, so itll stay with you untill you wke up hungry.

 

simple diet plan.

 

 

btw steroids and all these rumours are complete nonsense.

 

steroids should be used wisely if to be taken. i recomend you to get help from someone who knows not just trying to sell you them.

 

 

roid rage-some people have this without taking gear. most bodybuilders use all aggression in the gym.

 

gear doesnt shrink your knob. infact it increases libido.

 

theres people who dont cycle gear and stay on they are at risk, not the one who uses them widely.

 

bitch tits can be controlled before they appear, if you did your research you wont get any.

 

hope this help, sorry for waffling.

some great advice on here i must say im shocked as their some good info about.

 

btw growth doesnt make you bigger without some sort of test included.

 

heres a simple plan if you can keep to it, remember we all weigh differently so adjust to your bodyweight.

 

eat regular to maintain your innsulin levels in your body.

 

meal one

 

5 eggs 1 yellow,50g oats, some fruit.

 

meal 2

 

150g chicken rice some nuts and fruit and veg

 

3

 

potatoe and tuna with some fruit.

 

4 pre workout casein protein drink

 

post workout

 

dextrose with whey protein.

 

meal 4

 

fish or meat with rice pasta or potatoes

 

5 some slow burning protein like milk cottage cheese, so itll stay with you untill you wke up hungry.

 

simple diet plan.

 

 

btw steroids and all these rumours are complete nonsense.

 

steroids should be used wisely if to be taken. i recomend you to get help from someone who knows not just trying to sell you them.

 

 

roid rage-some people have this without taking gear. most bodybuilders use all aggression in the gym.

 

gear doesnt shrink your knob. infact it increases libido.

 

theres people who dont cycle gear and stay on they are at risk, not the one who uses them widely.

 

bitch tits can be controlled before they appear, if you did your research you wont get any.

 

hope this help, sorry for waffling.

 

your right it doesnt shrink ya knob , its shrinks your testicles until the natural testosterone gets back to normal,

 

if the person is unlucky enough to get b/tits the only way to correct it is under a surgeons knife!

 

well why im at it here's the full run down of the side effects that some people (may get) , and i must stay that im not totally against the use of steriods... Each to there own..... now im off to get juiced up lmao .... thats a joke btw :D

 

Steroid Side Effects. Must Read B4 You Start A Course!

 

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Purpose of this thread is to enlighten first time users of what they are undertaking, so much focus goes on getting bigger that I think there is a complacency about what may go wrong as a result, I blame this partly on the poor reception side effects threads get, both Paul G and I have done them before but they get little in the way of attention, never underestimate the power of denial!

 

I used Mick Harts Laymans guide to steriods as the template only for this article but thats all as its utter sh1te and not particularly helpful. I found some more info here and on this thread here.

 

The side effects listed here may be direct i.e liver damage or indirect i.e Hepatitus meaning that for example as long as you don't share a needle you won't get Hepatitus this way but that if you take c17 alpha alkylated steroids you will get some liver toxicity.

 

All of the side effects listed here are possible but I am not saying they are probable, however the common ones are hyperlinked to threads by members reporting those side effects so you can see they can happen or articles for further reading.

 

I have suggested some self help methods in red, there is also more help in the linked threads and articles, but the best help is to cease use of the steroids altogether as this commonly is the cure to most of the side effects, few are permanent. If symptoms persist go to your GP, if in doubt go to your GP.

 

1. Hair Loss

 

With androgenic AAS, there is an increase in hair turnover which may result in male pattern baldness developing. I find this stops when I use HCG?

 

Use low androgenic AAS, possibly use HCG, which although stimulates FSH (follicular stimulating hormone) it is in reference to follicles in the testes NOT hair follicles.

 

2. Headaches

 

As a result mostly of high blood pressure.

 

Use an AI such as Femora or Arimidex during cycle to prevent water retention.

 

3. Eyes

 

Yellow staining from Jaundice caused by liver damage.

 

Cease steroid use immediately, especially C17AA (dbol etc). Consult a GP.

 

4. Chest

 

Gynocaemastia, Reduction in breast size (women).

 

Use an AI or SERM (clomid/Nolva) during cycle and construct a good PCT.

 

5. Liver

 

Tumours, Liver damage, Liver Failure.

 

Avoid C17AA steroids, do NOT drink alcohol on cycle or take other liver toxic medications (i.e Paracetamol) unless absolutely necessary. Try Milk thistle, ALA or Liv 52.

 

6. Abdomen

 

Nausea, Vomiting, Diahorrea, Indigestion

 

Take orals with food, use antiacids as necessary.

 

7. Prostrate

 

Prostatic hypertrophy (enlargement), Prostate cancer from raised IGF1.

 

Get prostrate checked regularly especially if you find peeing difficult even though you need to go regularly. Take Saw Palmetto and Selenium.

 

8. Skin

 

Rashes, Acne, Stretch Marks, yellowing of skin with jaundice, co****ning of the skin (women).

 

Good nutrition, vitamin supplementation, zinc supplementation, with severe acne steroids aren't for you, with jaundice cease AAS use immediately and seek a GP.

 

9. Muscles/Tendons/Ligaments

 

Increased risk of injury to these areas as more motor units than usual utilised per rep, providing greater force.

 

Use a progressive programme, warm up well (at least 3-5 sets).

 

10. Ankles/Knees

 

Swelling from fluid retention and pressure.

 

AI such as Femora or Arimidex.

 

11. Brain

 

Mood swings, aggression, irritablility, rage, insomnia, fatigue, personality changes, depression, increased libido, reduced inhibitions, increased confidence, Psychological Addiction (withdrawal and dependancy disorders).

 

DO NOT TAKE AAS IF YOUR LIFE IS NOT 100% IN ORDER! AAS doesn't make you upset but if you already are, it ampifies the emotions, sometimes dramatically.

 

12. Face

 

Facial puffiness from water retenion, Hursuitism, increased hair growth (undesirable in women), Hypertrophy of sebaceous glands (greasy skin)

 

Use an AI or SERM during and after cycle.

 

13. Voice

 

Deepening of voice.

 

Avoid androgenic AAS.

 

14. Heart

 

Increased risk of heart disease, myocardial hypertrophy (enlarged heart), decreased HDL and elevated LDL cholesterol, increased Blood Pressure.

 

Excellent diet, supplementation with vitamins, Garlic and fish oils. Regular exercise.

 

15. Kidneys

 

Kidneys stones from proteinuria and raised LDL cholesterol, kidney failure.

 

Drink lots of water 4L +, take vit C 3g+ per day, Fish oils up to 12g per day, Cranberry extract.

 

16. Genital

 

Hypogonadism (shrunken balls), Impotence (post cycle), sterility (Azoospermia), frequent erections, infertility, enlarged clitorus (females), Cessation of menstrual cycle.

 

Use HCG during cycle 500iu e3d, and post cycle. Use SERMS in your PCT for a sensible period.

 

17. Injection Sites

 

Infection, Allergic Reaction, Hepatitus B&C, Aids.

 

18. Bones

 

Premature closing of the epiphysis resulting in cessation of longitudinal growth (stunted growth). Osteoporosis from excessive protein intake.

 

Do not take AAS before your growth plates (epiphysis) have sealed. In men this is normally by age 21, in women by age 18 but people differ. If in doubt don't do it!

 

19. General

 

Increased cancer risk, reduced Immune system, increased Insulin resistance simulating Type 2 Diabetes, decreased thyroid function through reduction of TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone).

 

Excellent nutrition, anti oxidant supplementation, combat free redicals, fresh fruit and veg in diet. Quit smoking!

 

Mods, please feel free to edit post and add anything you think would be useful!

 

It would also be really useful for people who have experienced any of the above side effects to put there experiences here and how they dealt with the problem or treated it.

 

Needless to say there will be many of us who haven't experienced some, most or any of the problems listed but it isnt the threads intention to formulate an argument but to inform of the possible consequences of taking this route.

 

 

hth

 

SD

 

References

 

1. Alen, M., P. Rahkila. Anabolic-androgenic steroid effects on endocrinology and lipid metabolism in athletes. Sports Med. 6: 327-332, 1988

2. American College of Sports Medicine. Position stand on the use of anabolic-androgenic steroids in sport. Med. Sci. Sports Exerc. 19(5): 534-539, 1987

3. Bahrke, M.S., C.E. Yesalis, J.E. Wright. Psychological and behavioral effects of endogenous testosterone levels and anabolic-androgenic steroids among athletes; a review. Sports Med. 10(5): 303-337, 1990

4. Cohen, J.C., R. Hickman. Insulin resistance and diminished glucose tolerance in power lifters ingesting anabolic steroids. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab. 64: 960-963, 1987

5. De Piccoli, B., F. Giada, A. Benettin, F. Sartori, E. Piccolo. Anabolic steroid use in body builders: an echocardiographic study of left ventricular morphology and function. Int. J. Sports Med. 12(4): 408-412, 1991

6. Haupt, H.A. Anabolic steroids and growth hormone. Am. J. Sports Med. 21(3): 468-474, 1993

7. Wilson, J.D. Androgen abuse in athletes. Endocr. Rev. 9(2): 181-199, 1988

hairloss is for sure. ehehehehe.

your right it doesnt shrink ya knob , its shrinks your testicles until the natural testosterone gets back to normal,

 

if the person is unlucky enough to get b/tits the only way to correct it is under a surgeons knife!

 

well why im at it here's the full run down of the side effects that some people (may get) , and i must stay that im not totally against the use of steriods... Each to there own..... now im off to get juiced up lmao .... thats a joke btw :D

 

:rofl:

Thats what i said it shrinks ya balls not ya willy.

 

and you need to take anti oestrogen to prevent bitch tits and block the oestrogen :D

 

Can be done safely but alot pf peeps dont know what they are doing and are scared to ask for help for obvious reasons, they dont want others knowing they are on gear.

btw i met dorian yates and James Lewellin today, absolute freaks, amazing what diet can do.

 

btw you healthy fats help you grow faster.

HAha this thread has turned from simple get fit advice to how to use steroids properly haha

pmsl anyone for a deca & dianabol cocktail lmao :rofl:

 

indian Zx , James Lewellin is a great & very friendly guy , he will litrally bend over backwards to help you out, :)

i got about 20 used tubs of dorian yates pro mass,,,, proper farting ammunition. :D

you should have used that for lpg.

 

theyre stil selling those, dorian has his own new company now.

lol so after a few shakes when ya driving to the gym in your car you go from 0 to sh1t ya self in about 5.5 seconds lol :D

 

promax give my the farts bad :hurl: misses buggers off into the spare room , protien intake to high for ya body to handle lol

once i proper farted out the gym..... everyone could smell it from the entrance to the squat press haha. I wasnt embarrased at all i was proud :D

once i proper farted out the gym..... everyone could smell it from the entrance to the squat press haha. I wasnt embarrased at all i was proud :D

 

:rofl::dance::rofl:

once i proper farted out the gym..... everyone could smell it from the entrance to the squat press haha. I wasnt embarrased at all i was proud :D

 

 

ffs:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I dont know how you can use fit and drugs in the same sentance let alone take roids safely. Some people baffle me.

I dont know how you can use fit and drugs in the same sentance let alone take roids safely. Some people baffle me.

 

their is a risk with any drug taken