Been monitoring what's been said between Paul Stevens and Ryan tonight and to be honest I think that Matty has a point!!!

 

Let's say that someone goes to a garage and they're not happy with the way they've been treated, they post that on here and that is surely for the good of the rest of the membership.

 

My point is that if these posts/threads didn't appear then maybe more innocent members would goto that garage and have a similar experience and would be equally disgruntled!

 

I did this way back when the forum was in its infancy and I had the same kind of response. NOOOO you can't slag off the only official Skyline main dealer of the UK. But my point is that if you're not happy in an individual case then why does it have to be taboo that it cannot be aired on here?

 

AUP? Man that is so lame!

 

AUP was dreamed up and written to quash this sort of approach from members who want to make it known to other paid up members that they have had a bad experience with a garage or trader etc.

 

Personally I don't think this sort of thing should be kept behind closed doors! I seem to recall recently or over the past few months threads that are titled "Name and Shame!" so yes we are happy to disclose phantom traders who don't honour their agreements or people who are trading parts in the For Sale and Wanted section...but when it comes down to someone not being happy with a garage then that is not an appropriate subject to be discussed on here?

 

What a joke!!!

Pretty much agree with you Timmy.

 

If a trader really mucks a member about or does a poor job, i want to know.

 

If a member really mucks a trader about or another member, i want to know.

 

I dont want to be involved in the discussion (as i won't know all the facts), i just want to know the end result.

 

A trader and a member can do someone a bad turn, i know it doesnt necessarily mean there always like that but if there name keeps coming up then it will influence me, therefore i'm better informed when i hand over my money.

I agree, no one cares when people post up saying what a good job they have done etc but as a business you have to take the rough with the smooth.

 

I think there needs to be rules but as long as the person tells the truth and tells it in a sensible way then i think everyone needs to know about things that went wrong as well as right or it will keep happening!!

 

Mike

Also just been reading all of the threads posted by Paul, Shunter etc

 

Something which really gets up my nose!!

 

This is a club which is owned by its subscribed members who pay for the club so if a owner of the club wants to voice a reasonable request then why not!? as long as all is the truth then it benefits us all.

 

Sorry to say this but in the many years i have been a member, committee member i feel the club has lost its way and needs a real shake down, i just feel we could do so much more as a club.

 

Its funny because i was looking as the excellent stuff steve is doing as part of the members pack and was looking at some of the names of people who still moderate etc and they dont even come on here anymore!! the likes of duffers and more worrying our chairman AndrewG??? nothing against andrew and have spoken and met him a few times but why have a chairman who doesnt post or really get involved with the club???

 

This is not any personel attack but things need to change or we will just keep losing long standing members which made this club

 

Mike

I think there needs to be rules but as long as the person tells the truth and tells it in a sensible way then i think everyone needs to know about things that went wrong as well as right or it will keep happening!!

 

Mike

 

Problem is that in a disagreement, there are always two sides of the truth. Things get posted and then can get a little out of hand.

 

I do not think that there is a 100% correct way of handling these sort of issues, it is up to the individuals involved and the staff to monitor it, and to ensure that it does not end up as a public hanging.

Problem is that in a disagreement, there are always two sides of the truth. Things get posted and then can get a little out of hand.

 

I do not think that there is a 100% correct way of handling these sort of issues, it is up to the individuals involved and the staff to monitor it, and to ensure that it does not end up as a public hanging.

 

i agree and if done in a calm and thought about way then it should NOT be moderated, as others have said maybe in the traders section a feedback section for people to praise or complain in??

 

quick question??

 

you go to a shop and spend a £1000 on goods and when you get them home they break but then a couple of friends late that night tell you "ohh you shouldnt have gone there as we have had faulty goods from them"

 

wouldnt you be pi55ed off that you didnt know so to make up your own mind for better or worse (sounds like a marrage lol)???

 

I know i would

 

Mike

i agree and if done in a calm and thought about way then it should NOT be moderated, as others have said maybe in the traders section a feedback section for people to praise or complain in??

 

quick question??

 

you go to a shop and spend a £1000 on goods and when you get them home they break but then a couple of friends late that night tell you "ohh you shouldnt have gone there as we have had faulty goods from them"

 

wouldnt you be pi55ed off that you didnt know so to make up your own mind for better or worse (sounds like a marrage lol)???

 

I know i would

 

Mike

 

Moderated in moderation :)

 

In your question, I am sure that a couple of other friends would tell you that they have never had any problems.

 

Its all swings and roundabouts. :rofl:

 

 

Matt

not wanting a public hanging and agree with all above comments , just want justice for me in my situation , i have tried all other routes ,and after all it was this forum that gave me confidence to approach said trader and seek his knowledge ,

 

purely on the basis of all the good job posts , and a close friend who used him back then ,

 

i will always post up when i think ive a great job done or just plain grattiude from any trader

, i even thanked them for work they did do ,unfortunatley in life as in mine you are only as good as your last job ,, if you dont do well or recover a bad situation or genuine mistake then you get everything you deserve !

i agree and if done in a calm and thought about way then it should NOT be moderated, as others have said maybe in the traders section a feedback section for people to praise or complain in??

 

quick question??

 

you go to a shop and spend a £1000 on goods and when you get them home they break but then a couple of friends late that night tell you "ohh you shouldnt have gone there as we have had faulty goods from them"

 

wouldnt you be pi55ed off that you didnt know so to make up your own mind for better or worse (sounds like a marrage lol)???

 

I know i would

 

Mike

 

spot on mike and timmy !! Many other forum allow the dispute between 2 parties whether trader and a member or 2 members to carry on till they are resolved when only moderating if there is any actual bad launguage, threats or such name calling which obviously woundnt help the matter in any way..apart from that let everyone hear both sides of the story !! As stated already , if a trader or member does something good then its posted up and everyone is happy , when a member or trader does tomething untoward then why such a cover up ?? what happened to freedom of speech ??

Been monitoring what's been said between Paul Stevens and Ryan tonight and to be honest I think that Matty has a point!!!

 

Let's say that someone goes to a garage and they're not happy with the way they've been treated, they post that on here and that is surely for the good of the rest of the membership.

 

My point is that if these posts/threads didn't appear then maybe more innocent members would goto that garage and have a similar experience and would be equally disgruntled!

 

I did this way back when the forum was in its infancy and I had the same kind of response. NOOOO you can't slag off the only official Skyline main dealer of the UK. But my point is that if you're not happy in an individual case then why does it have to be taboo that it cannot be aired on here?

 

AUP? Man that is so lame!

 

AUP was dreamed up and written to quash this sort of approach from members who want to make it known to other paid up members that they have had a bad experience with a garage or trader etc.

 

Personally I don't think this sort of thing should be kept behind closed doors! I seem to recall recently or over the past few months threads that are titled "Name and Shame!" so yes we are happy to disclose phantom traders who don't honour their agreements or people who are trading parts in the For Sale and Wanted section...but when it comes down to someone not being happy with a garage then that is not an appropriate subject to be discussed on here?

 

What a joke!!!

 

100% agree m8

 

seems very 1 sided towards traders in my view, people should have their say. tbh if sum1 did any bad work on my car i would make sure people knew, i would expect that of other people. I understand their is 2 sides to everystory though, TBH i wouldnt be bothered if i was banned if it meant people knew the truth, but thats just my view :)

 

think their should be another section for this, ie the member posts what happened, then the trader does, NO ONE else can and let other members choose which person to side with or believe and weather they will use them again.

 

just my 2p's worth

i was not going to reply,but as everyone is jumping on the bandwagon,and as ryan is away at the moment,and has no internet accsess due to moving i feel you need to step back,and listen,paul may be upset but to carry on saying the same old shit gets repetative :slap:

 

approx 40% of work comes from the forum the rest is from elsewhere,there is another world away from 300zx.co.uk

7pages of positive http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=94

 

ryan has also completed over 50 engine/turbo rebuilds,and if there has ever been any problems,which working on a 15yr old car there always will then they have been covered warrantied ;) however there are instances when they will not be covered,this is where ryan has to explain,as im in no position to,so step back and cool the fingers down :rofl:

 

sorry to have to post this,but your argueing against a brickwall with a one sided story :nono:

Timmy,

 

Like I said in Paul's thread, I think he should be allowed to say what he wants to say as long as it is FACT, there's no come backs on him if he sticks to the truth and nothing but....

 

Look what happened to Jeff at Zedworld, threads against him (lots of them were just person insults from people that had nothing to do with them or the 'case' against him) but there were posts that were allowed to run and run.....AUP?? I think it depends who you are and who you know (but that's just my opinion of course) I've always thought that and have said numerous times before, some agreed some didn't.....even earned a 2 week ban for doing nothing but expressing an opinion (and the mod didn't like me!)

 

Nobody has ever come back and said the cae against Jeff was dropped did they, do people know the real reasons why, etc...??? No.....most of the people on here still probably think he's an 'arse' a tag which TBH is not warranted....

 

I'm not blowing Jeff's trumpet either, I'm using that as an example...... Paul has a problem with an official trader on this forum, he's tried to sort it out for 9 months (how long!!) has not got any joy and he should be allowed to air his factual views and let others know wht is up, people should then be allowed to make up there own minds about things......

 

Again, that is all my own opinion....

 

Matty.

i was not going to reply,but as everyone is jumping on the bandwagon,and as ryan is away at the moment,and has no internet accsess due to moving i feel you need to step back,and listen,paul may be upset but to carry on saying the same old shit gets repetative :slap:

 

approx 40% of work comes from the forum the rest is from elsewhere,there is another world away from 300zx.co.uk

7pages of positive http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=94

 

ryan has also completed over 50 engine/turbo rebuilds,and if there has ever been any problems,which working on a 15yr old car there always will then they have been covered warrantied ;) however there are instances when they will not be covered,this is where ryan has to explain,as im in no position to,so step back and cool the fingers down :rofl:

 

sorry to have to post this,but your argueing against a brickwall with a one sided story :nono:

i agree totally greg you and ryan have done quite a bit of work for me and i must say i'm 100% staisfied with the service i received

i was not going to reply,but as everyone is jumping on the bandwagon,and as ryan is away at the moment,and has no internet accsess due to moving i feel you need to step back,and listen,paul may be upset but to carry on saying the same old shit gets repetative :slap:

 

approx 40% of work comes from the forum the rest is from elsewhere,there is another world away from 300zx.co.uk

7pages of positive http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=94

 

ryan has also completed over 50 engine/turbo rebuilds,and if there has ever been any problems,which working on a 15yr old car there always will then they have been covered warrantied ;) however there are instances when they will not be covered,this is where ryan has to explain,as im in no position to,so step back and cool the fingers down :rofl:

 

sorry to have to post this,but your argueing against a brickwall with a one sided story :nono:

 

TBH greg i dont think this thread was just about ryan/ztech/paul etc just about issues in general.

 

Mike

if were to keep this thread open then can we not go into the ztech/paul thing as its just going to turn into locked thread again, we were discussing the bigger issues which i feel is valid

 

Mike

i was not going to reply,but as everyone is jumping on the bandwagon,and as ryan is away at the moment,and has no internet accsess due to moving i feel you need to step back,and listen,paul may be upset but to carry on saying the same old shit gets repetative :slap:

 

approx 40% of work comes from the forum the rest is from elsewhere,there is another world away from 300zx.co.uk

7pages of positive http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=94

 

ryan has also completed over 50 engine/turbo rebuilds,and if there has ever been any problems,which working on a 15yr old car there always will then they have been covered warrantied ;) however there are instances when they will not be covered,this is where ryan has to explain,as im in no position to,so step back and cool the fingers down :rofl:

 

sorry to have to post this,but your argueing against a brickwall with a one sided story :nono:

 

 

sorry greg dont agree with all the above , i would like to ask how many of the 50 engine turbo rebuilds have been satisfied customers, ,, and i am aware of many more now thanks to me speaking out who are not happy , and im sure would post if they didnt fear what would happen ,

 

would like to add my argument is about warranty its about cause and effect ,

 

also if some one was posting saying i was a bad window fitter i would defend myself ,and get to a pc even if my internet was down , i really hope ryan does come forward and resolve this , its become a club matter as well know and shook the foundations of it , i really cant beleive thats anyones fault other than ryans , ie a rolling stone gathers no moss if theres no moss to begin with , off course i realise my own problems are between me and him but im not the only one , so lets talk

if were to keep this thread open then can we not go into the ztech/paul thing as its just going to turn into locked thread again, we were discussing the bigger issues which i feel is valid

 

Mike

 

Mike completely agree, it's the bigger issue here that needs to be sorted so the issues like Pauls need not happen again.

 

Matty.

TBH greg i dont think this thread was just about ryan/ztech/paul etc just about issues in general.

 

Mike

 

 

umm i think it is,iv watched 3 posts and thought i wont post as it will look biased,however it does go on and on,i can understand frustration and each member looking out for each other,but the FACT is there are no facts and i feel until ryan has said his bit,which he will WHEN he can then you can make your mind up

 

greg

umm i think it is,iv watched 3 posts and thought i wont post as it will look biased,however it does go on and on,i can understand frustration and each member looking out for each other,but the FACT is there are no facts and i feel until ryan has said his bit,which he will WHEN he can then you can make your mind up

 

greg

 

If Paul sticks the FACTS and then whats the problem with airing his factual views?

 

If I was a trader on holiday and the facts were presented on this board (as long as they were the truth) I'd be fine with that until I got back...

 

But this isn't just about this issue it's the whole why can't we talk about traders on the boards problem that needs to be addressed...

 

Matty.

i look forward to it greg as i do have al the facts , and dont beleive its going on and on we are all expressing are opinioms it what a forum is for its too look out for the good guys and the bad, if we think a product is good we all go and buy it if it gets bad reports we run a mile , this is the issue in hand on this thread its a disscusion,

 

and white zed i agree with your post , i too had posted good comments about z tech after my first vist , and my second its my 3 and 4th that were the problem , we all agree that there is no perfect person trader or mechanic itshow we handle this situation that will tell the difference !!

If Paul sticks the FACTS and then whats the problem with airing his factual views?

 

If I was a trader on holiday and the facts were presented on this board (as long as they were the truth) I'd be fine with that until I got back...

 

But this isn't just about this issue it's the whole why can't we talk about traders on the boards problem that needs to be addressed...

 

Matty.

he is welcome to,i will not say anymore,otherwise it turns in to a 300zx mudslinging match

 

and as mike has said this was not meant to be a kramer vs kramer thread

 

paul have no problem with you,have no need to never will have to,i work for ryan so i will be biased its natural,same as you if you worked for someone,so i will stand on the sideline

 

greg

he is welcome to,i will not say anymore,otherwise it turns in to a 300zx mudslinging match

 

and as mike has said this was not meant to be a kramer vs kramer thread

 

paul have no problem with you,have no need to never will have to,i work for ryan so i will be biased its natural,same as you if you worked for someone,so i will stand on the sideline

 

greg

 

If you read the last line of the post you quoted from me, you will see that I made a point of saying this is about a bigger issue regarding official traders on this forum, that's what this thread is about really.....

 

Matty.

how come we can put a post up about a good service, and no one replys saying how do you know it was good? are you a mechanic? stick to the facts and what you know!

 

but if some thing goes wrong then its fine to quote all the above

thanks greg aprreciate it,

how come we can put a post up about a good service, and no one replys saying how do you know it was good? are you a mechanic? stick to the facts and what you know!

 

but if some thing goes wrong then its fine to quote all the above

 

Good = Your car works great, no problems......after your vist to official trader

 

Bad = Your car doesn't work, or has problems....after your visit to official trader

 

Matty.

its the smae with a thanx for the help thread, no onme says well done to the lad who goes out of his way to help or say well done this is what a club is about, but when there is dirt to be slung there are mudslingers coming in from every direction