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Somebody i know wants his story put round the forums so this doesnt happen to anybody else :(

Crap that's awful, glad i don't do it myself. Not worth losing my licence over

if they cant find the other guy, then how can they prove he was racing? they have no evidence surely?

they can do him for speeding, but to be done for racing, then they must have all involved surely, that would be the evidence

Looks like they (cops) tried it on and the idot didn't contest it. Never admite to anything the law has to prove their case.

if they cant find the other guy, then how can they prove he was racing? they have no evidence surely?

they can do him for speeding, but to be done for racing, then they must have all involved surely, that would be the evidence

 

 

He knows who the other guy was-just he dont want to grass him up

 

Aparently if two coppers see you acceerating against another car thats 'racing'

 

They only need the verbal evidence or video to nick you now-thats the new law1

but the cops dont know who the guy is, so what evidence do they have?

if they mangaed to stop one, and not the other, that is boarder line of victimaisation

The 'Bridge Run' is a reknowed place in our area for playing Gran Turismo

 

So i guess all they need is to see two cars going up there side by side for it to be 'racing'

They still have to prove it beyond a reason of a doubt in court. If they have no hard factual evidence then don't give in, and get yourself a good lawyer.

The 'Bridge Run' is a reknowed place in our area for playing Gran Turismo

 

So i guess all they need is to see two cars going up there side by side for it to be 'racing'

 

thats crap mate, if the road is used for public acces, then its to be expected that cars will be using it, that is not enough proof.

 

unless they had video evidence or details of other car, then there is no legal way of showing a race took place, i would fight that al the way.

 

you can not be prosecuted because the area your in is known for something, jesus no one would drive through london for fear of kerb crawling....

Quote from forum...

 

"no video footage but the weight of two traffic cops is enough in the CPS and obviously the courts eyes.

 

But to be fair I was given duff info to plead guilty accept some points and pay the fine.

 

I didn realise thanks to my f***in usless solicitor who was not up todate on the law change, that i would be facing a ban of 12 months minimum, imagine what thats like to find out when your in the dock!

 

So I had already pleaded guilty by post so was f***ed, as I was led to believe that it was a naughty ofence like Driving without due car, NO it's f***in serious. The law now states if your charged with Racing then it's a minimum 12 month ban.

 

The law itself is very VERY wooly it is so general so as they can add aggrevated features such as dangerous driving, speeding, etc etc they can more or less add anything they want into the mix to increase ur sentance

 

Luckily I guess I have recieved the minimum for this charge.

 

There is porvision for there to be special circumstances, I thought there may be a loop hole here no, it has to be something lofe or death like they are holding ur family hostage and if you don't race they will kill them.

 

This is a very open law and can easily be stuck to anyone of you, the court said the road had for years been the centre of a culture of racing, you need to find somewhere new ladies and gents

 

The annoying thing was the smug f***n copper sat across from me, smiling. I contemplated a US amazing video stylee leap out of the dock and giving him a good kicking.

 

He tried to imply speeds of 150 mph + but had no evidence, nor was it mathmatically possible for him to come to this conclusion, and this was stricken from the records. But that aside he still got the last laugh as I handed my license over."

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So basically they got him as he pleaded guilty with no evidence...

 

an he do that?

So there you go, his solicitor cost him his licence...

 

any legal body worth his name would have stated, that if the policeman could imply speeds of 150mph from a soarer, on this stretch of road, then its more than a possibility, that he was incorrect about other factors too.

 

once your mate pleaded guilty, he was fooked, and the fact his legal aid did not pick on up so many other factors, just made it impossible for the judge to return any other factor in the case.

 

your mates falling down was the legal support he hired, not the facts of the case.

 

he has grounds for taking the solicitor to court himself, his duty to provide the BESt advice and legal guidence he can, he failed hugely, and with all respect, your mate should have been a bit more wise to his advice.

 

at the end of the day, he was racing ona public road, and can not get out of the fact he deserved to get caught and punished, but if hes clever enough to race, he should be clever enough to known hes being screwed by his solicitor

The police can acuse you of whatever they feel they can get away with, you just have to tell them see you in court mate bascially. I've been there and done it. They soon backed off.

Ah so they tried it on-he pleaded guilty by post-therfore they had a confession of guilt.

Sory I dont feel for the guy at all.

I dont agree with people racing on teh street, seen to many accidents round this way with padestrians and other road users getting hurt and killed by Sterling Tossers.

You street race and get cought, tough.

Sory I dont feel for the guy at all.

I dont agree with people racing on teh street, seen to many accidents round this way with padestrians and other road users getting hurt and killed by Sterling Tossers.

You street race and get cought, tough.

 

 

I totally agree with you...im not a street racer...just trying to help out a mate.

 

What i cant get how can they prosecute without evidence

 

Can they prosecute on just 'pleading guilty'

 

I guess they can

I'm worried how this new 'racing' charge is gonna be applied, driving the cars we do we regularly get harrassed by people who want to race. So the next time some M3 revs us at the lights or starts trying to goad us on a motorway, then any coppers that see it can do us for 'racing' (I'll bet we're the ones that get stopped as well).

I totally agree with you...im not a street racer...just trying to help out a mate.

 

What i cant get how can they prosecute without evidence

 

Can they prosecute on just 'pleading guilty'

 

I guess they can

Bascially the answer is yes. That is why you refuse to say anything before you seek legal advice, which is your right in English law.

I must admit i do accelerate away from lights fairly swiftly but only because the car is capable of a swift pick up with no effort from the engine.

 

Does that mean im racing as i pull away quickly?

Bascially the answer is yes. That is why you refuse to say anything before you seek legal advice, which is your right in English law.

 

 

But hes legal advice told him to plead guilty even tho theyhad no evidence.

Know how he feel's....

 

lost mine 3 time's the last one was a 4 year ban ..only got it back 6 month's ago :slap:

OMG! Thats harsh. He's going to loose everthing for a 10sec race. The guy before him in court took someone elses bike, had no licence and thus no insurance, and got caught at 120mph and got a 28day ban (hasn't got a licence anyhow) and a couple of hundred quid fine! The guy after him similar. Un-****ing-real You might as well just drive without a licence or insurance anyhow, its much cheaper just a few hundred quid when you get caught.

I totally agree with you...im not a street racer...just trying to help out a mate.

 

What i cant get how can they prosecute without evidence

 

Can they prosecute on just 'pleading guilty'

 

I guess they can

 

Mate, they dont need any evidence if you say you did it.

I must admit i do accelerate away from lights fairly swiftly but only because the car is capable of a swift pick up with no effort from the engine.

 

Does that mean im racing as i pull away quickly?

 

not realy, racing is what this guy was doing, against another car, and got cought

I'm worried how this new 'racing' charge is gonna be applied, driving the cars we do we regularly get harrassed by people who want to race. So the next time some M3 revs us at the lights or starts trying to goad us on a motorway, then any coppers that see it can do us for 'racing' (I'll bet we're the ones that get stopped as well).

If you if don't exceed the speed limit as there is no law that says you cann't reach the speed limit in a rapid fashion, you don't admit to racing and there's no law to say you are able to over take if it's safe ie not on chervons, solid white lines ect see highway code for rules. Then there is nothing they can do just know the highway code and the law. This is were people get shafted they don't know the law, and their rights, and a lot of police know that.

OMG! Thats harsh. He's going to loose everthing for a 10sec race. The guy before him in court took someone elses bike, had no licence and thus no insurance, and got caught at 120mph and got a 28day ban (hasn't got a licence anyhow) and a couple of hundred quid fine! The guy after him similar. Un-****ing-real You might as well just drive without a licence or insurance anyhow, its much cheaper just a few hundred quid when you get caught.

 

 

your wright mate if you have no lic,ins,mot,or tax you get a slap on the hand :confused:

 

wtf is that all about :headvswal