Read a bit in the press about this lately so I decided to give it a try, been using it all morning and it seems really bloody good! might be my imagination but it seems faster than internet explorer. also lacking the myriad of security vulnerabilities in IE!!

 

give it a try if you;re that way inclined!! :D

At the end of the day, Microsoft is the one thats targeted 9 times out of 10, why?

 

Cus its so bloody good......

 

LMFAO..... Like your style Mark :-)

At the end of the day, Microsoft is the one thats targeted 9 times out of 10, why?

 

Market penetration is a big factor in it, yes - but it's not the only reason IMHO.

 

The *nix model (ergo Unix, Linux, BSD and Mac OS/X) is inherently more secure thanks to a modular architecture and proper system accounting - though that's not to say the software that runs on it is necessarily more secure (there are quite a few holes in the Apache web server, for example - though none of them seem as fatal to your system as the holes in IIS are, again thanks to proper permissions and a modular architecture).

 

The monolithic architecture of Windows is it's biggest failing, but something I imagine we'll always be stuck with.

Your browser is probably the No2 way for all infections to enter your PC though ;) (Assuming you're running a decent firewall and antivirus software.. If you're not then there's no hope :rofl: ) Your email software being No1, though Thunderbird is considerably less vulnerable than Outlook/Outlook Express :)

 

Outlook got binned years ago,I hate that shite.

penetration is a big factor in it, yes - but it's not the only reason IMHO.

 

 

Thats right in many other different ways too LOL

:rofl: ;)

Market penetration is a big factor in it, yes - but it's not the only reason IMHO.

 

The *nix model (ergo Unix, Linux, BSD and Mac OS/X) is inherently more secure thanks to a modular architecture and proper system accounting - though that's not to say the software that runs on it is necessarily more secure (there are quite a few holes in the Apache web server, for example - though none of them seem as fatal to your system as the holes in IIS are, again thanks to proper permissions and a modular architecture).

 

The monolithic architecture of Windows is it's biggest failing, but something I imagine we'll always be stuck with.

 

I think someone has spent far too much time reading the Windows XP inside and out book, or hks (and no, not the car tuning company) 2004 strat guide :nelson: :D

I think someone has spent far too much time reading the Windows XP inside and out book, or hks (and no, not the car tuning company) 2004 strat guide :nelson: :D

 

:rofl: Nope, just spent too many years dissecting computers and code, and too much time mucking around with more operating systems than you can shake a stick at :) (Well, you could shake a stick at them, but they wouldn't be scared ;))

 

Ok, ok - I'm a sad geek with no life and no hope of getting laid again :cry: :cry:

 

;)

I think someone has spent far too much time reading the Windows XP inside and out book, or hks (and no, not the car tuning company) 2004 strat guide :nelson: :D

 

I must admit, I've never even taken it that far!

 

All hands on experience and I know what i need to know....no books for me! :duffer:

Not if we wake up and smell the coffee mate. Many businesses are seeing the light and using linux these days.

 

I must admit I like using it, even though I do work on Microsoft crap a lot of the time.

 

What can I say, I am an open source kinda guy :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: Nope, just spent too many years dissecting computers and code, and too much time mucking around with more operating systems than you can shake a stick at :) (Well, you could shake a stick at them, but they wouldn't be scared ;))

 

Ok, ok - I'm a sad geek with no life and no hope of getting laid again :cry: :cry:

 

;)

 

Oh stop, your almost making me feel sorry for you. :(

 

(Not that me felling sorry for you will benefit you in any way!! :p )

Oh stop, your almost making me feel sorry for you. :(

 

(Not that me felling sorry for you will benefit you in any way!! :p )

 

:cry: :cry: :D

(Not that me felling sorry for you will benefit you in any way!! :p )

 

Damn! Almost got my hopes up there... ;)

 

Not if we wake up and smell the coffee mate. Many businesses are seeing the light and using linux these days.

 

I'm a strong proponent of Linux as a server platform - although even I don't use it as a desktop platform (there are just too many sacrifices to be made still). You can't force people to switch however, that just makes them bitter and resentful toward the One True Path of OpenSource.. erm.. I mean.. :rofl:

 

What can I say, I am an open source kinda guy :rofl: :rofl:

 

Yeah, that's what I heard too ;) :rofl: :rofl:

software is not the solution, the solution is in hardware, DRM chips, and specifically accessable memory.

 

sorry but a properly patched XP oeprating system is currently secure. If you have not patched your system then you are open to problems even if you use a different browser.

 

Linux, yes it is good, but it isn't secure on a default install, you still need to patch it week in and week out, (trust me I admin over 150 linux machines, I am a linux admin by profession)

 

yes your computer is secure now, but will it be in 15 minutes? who knows.

If you have not patched your system then you are open to problems even if you use a different browser.

 

I'd still argue that you are vulnerable to less problems - and surely that is half the battle?

 

Linux, yes it is good, but it isn't secure on a default install, you still need to patch it week in and week out

 

I'd also still argue that a default install (of a decent Linux distro, so that rules out RH et al) of Linux will be more secure than a default install of XP - and I still don't believe that SP2 is the magic bullet it's made out to be..

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;)

I don't understand any of these words... is this about computers?

Yeah - me and Mike are having a digital pi**ing contest.. :rofl: ;)

I'd still argue that you are vulnerable to less problems - and surely that is half the battle?

 

 

 

I'd also still argue that a default install (of a decent Linux distro, so that rules out RH et al) of Linux will be more secure than a default install of XP - and I still don't believe that SP2 is the magic bullet it's made out to be..

 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;)

 

No, the battle is getting people to update, it doesn't matter if you are inseucre to one problem or 200, the result will still be the same, if you don't patch your XP system you will be hacked within 8 minutes.

 

If you don't update your Linux box when fresh installing it, the first programme or script kiddy that comes along will take advantage of it. If there was a new IE exploit everyday then it would really be a problem, but I can't remember the last one, and MS are much better now at patching.

 

there is nothing to disagree, I agree with you, but without a correctly informed end user who applies regular updates and patches it really doesn't matter if you use firefox, IE, netscape, AOL or lynx, you will be insecure.

If you don't update your Linux box when fresh installing it, the first programme or script kiddy that comes along will take advantage of it.

 

True - and there are a lot more script kiddy attacks on *nix boxes, I notice (I tend to get a lot of login attempts on users like 'test/test' and suchlike now - port 22 was open as I used to SSH in from work.. Not any more mind, but SCPing stuff to/from remote hosts is still handy) :(

 

without a correctly informed end user who applies regular updates and patches

 

Do they even exist? ;) (with the exception of the ones we have on here ;))

 

What's more worrying is the number of posts I see on IT groups from supposed IT professionals along the lines of "I installed a new PC and as soon as I installed the BT software I got a virus! BT HAS A VIRUS!!!!oneone!!!11!1!" - it's enough to make you lose the will to live..

 

Hardware firewalls people, it aint difficult ;) (And then theres at *least* one layer the crap has to get through before it infects you) That and sticking the latest SP's on as soon as you install, followed by antivirus software..

 

(Or vice versa if you're going SP2 perhaps - I've not tried out SP2's new funky "AV software detection" yet)

just to go back to the subject, ive not used Firefox but Maxthon in my opinion is excellent. got mouse gestures, ad blockers, and is faster than IE too.

this could be total *****cks, but for about a month ive been running a "test"

using ie and opera, and the amount of spyware ie lets through comapred to opera is ie=shitloads opera=none

again there is certain things opera wont let you do, so you have to fire up ie

more and more people are trying these alternative browsers, so hopefully

ie (microsft) will soon get the message, that the punter won't take the shit

they keep releasing (untested until us mugs get it)

Opera is quite nice too - and has tabbed browsing of course.. Personally I prefer Mozilla as it just seems 'slimmer' to me (oh, and no adverts), but I know people who prefer Opera over Mozilla too :)

 

Opera has (reportedly) a decent mail client, too

Opera is quite nice too

 

 

 

I never had you down as an Opera fan mate,Cliff Richards greatest hits maybe

:rofl: ;)