http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3722428.stm

 

Looks like they are finally going to clamp down,or will they?

actually this relates to people who are uploading more than people who are downloading,

 

the RIAA sue around 500 of the worst offenders every month.

Yes but if you disable file sharing you cant upload:D;)

They cant get you for downloading because of,

 

A) You are allowed to download any songs or software but if you dont pay for it, it must be deleted within 24 hours. Within this 24 hours you are not allowed to make copies of it.

B) You can say that Kazaa or what ever you use, said the file was something else and you where shocked when it ended up being the Star Wars DVD rip, or the latest Windows installation.

C) Ask how they got their information. They can not say the looked on your computer, that is computer hacking, but if they said they saw you download it, you can say you deleted it straight away.

 

Stuart

There is another side to this story.

 

Just before broadband became widely availiable and affordable, CD albums where on sale for £17.99 I even saw some up at over £20. CD singles where costing £6-£7

 

Look at it now. Most CD albums are £8-£11 and singles are down to about £2-3 which they should be.

 

All of this is 100% down to file sharing. And too right.

Maybe these people wouldn't be breaking copyright laws if the record companies hadn't been so greedy, by historically refusing to reduce prices of music CDs & refusing to move with the times in some vain attemp to cling onto their empires.

 

The Music industry was created out of an emergence of a market due to the need for people wanting to hear the music they preferred, CD's are only a distribution method.

 

Yet they refused to advance when distribution mediums such as MP3's emerged in the mid 90's and they are paying the price now.

 

What gives the music industry a right to survive change? I personally think they're getting what they deserve for robbing us blind for decades.

 

http://www.riaa.com/news/marketingdata/cost.asp

 

Quote - 'While the RIAA does not collect information on the specific costs that make up the price of a CD, there are many factors that go into the overall cost of a CD'

 

Don't they use accountants?

 

ROFL - maybe they don't declare Ho's, Coke, Stretch limo's, private planes, mansions with gold plated swimming pools.. blah blah

There is another side to this story.

 

Just before broadband became widely availiable and affordable, CD albums where on sale for £17.99 I even saw some up at over £20. CD singles where costing £6-£7

 

Look at it now. Most CD albums are £8-£11 and singles are down to about £2-3 which they should be.

 

All of this is 100% down to file sharing. And too right.

 

Albums 8-11 squids??? You sure about that? Maybe The Nolans Greatest Hits Stu but I bought the new Embrace album and Extreme Euphoria from Tesco last night and both were 15 squids a piece. Tesco are usually one of the more cheaper places to buy albums aswell.

Extreme Euphoria is 12.99 at http://www.play.com

 

usually albums at play.com are 8.99-11.99

Right off to Tesco in Basildon to blow it up! PMSL :D

There is another side to this story.

 

Just before broadband became widely availiable and affordable, CD albums where on sale for £17.99 I even saw some up at over £20. CD singles where costing £6-£7

 

Look at it now. Most CD albums are £8-£11 and singles are down to about £2-3 which they should be.

 

All of this is 100% down to file sharing. And too right.

 

 

Totaly agree with this!. The music indistry has been taking the public for Mugs for far too long. They have more ways of making money than just album/single sales. If you listen and like a band you may go to a concert or two. They will allways make big money out of this and I very much doubt it will ever decline.

 

Winds me up that they are now whinging about revenue loss, fVck em!. It's their own fault for walking round with their eyes shut for the last decade and realising far too late that there is a problem (for them).

They cant get you for downloading because of,

 

A) You are allowed to download any songs or software but if you dont pay for it, it must be deleted within 24 hours. Within this 24 hours you are not allowed to make copies of it.

B) You can say that Kazaa or what ever you use, said the file was something else and you where shocked when it ended up being the Star Wars DVD rip, or the latest Windows installation.

C) Ask how they got their information. They can not say the looked on your computer, that is computer hacking, but if they said they saw you download it, you can say you deleted it straight away.

 

Stuart

 

 

Sorry Stu, but pleading ignorance does not work in law.

Blame that Lars dude out of Metallica or was it Motley Crue for taking Napster down...that dirty head MO FO started most of this sh1t off!!!

Blame that Lars dude out of Metallica or was it Motley Crue for taking Napster down...that dirty head MO FO started most of this sh1t off!!!

 

 

Napster, that was just the tip. Does not matter what they do. One file sharing gets stopped another starts because the code is open source. Far too late to try and police it now. Problem is so many people are doing it.

 

What you going to do, throw them all in jail?, give them fines?. There would be riots in the streets!.

 

The onl;y way I can see of policing it is if all data is stored on the net (no HDD's). Doubt that will ever happen (I Hope not anyway).

Sorry Stu, but pleading ignorance does not work in law.

 

 

agreed

 

also no such thing as a 24 hour rule/law if its illegal doesn't matter if its 24 mins or 24 months,

 

a lot of MAJOR ftp sites, have been busted and thousands of their customers

are being investigated because they paid to access the site by their OWN credit cards, so made it dead easy to be traced

 

the likes of bt CAN anytime they want see what your d/l to see if your breaching their rules, very rare they do but the powers that be can go to your isp and look at your traffic

 

as we all know piracy is linked to drugs/arms/crime :nelson:

BUT some kind of policing has to be there, otherwise the kiddy fiddlers and sick ****s would be having a field day

 

as above if the music industry want to be taken seriously, then they need to stop helping muppets become millionaires on the backs of the paying public

Damnit........ so essentially what you guys are saying is that I should stop sharing my 1.5 terrabytes of mp3's on my T3+ server??

 

Hang on, brb... someone at the door.............

Sorry Stu, but pleading ignorance does not work in law.

 

BUT if you're claiming that you were downloading, say, some shareware, but it turned out to be retail software then it is surely the person sharing the file who is commiting an offence (as per copyright law printed on/ with all sold music)

 

As it's a criminal offence, there'd have to be proof of intent (mens rea) and the burden of proof's on the prosecutor?

Damnit........ so essentially what you guys are saying is that I should stop sharing my 1.5 terrabytes of mp3's on my T3+ server??

 

Hang on, brb... someone at the door.............

 

just proves one point, you admitting on a public forum what you do, is that wise???

 

As it's a criminal offence, there'd have to be proof of intent (mens rea) and the burden of proof's on the prosecutor?

 

the copyright laws are completely different from criminal law m8

usually its first decided if the copyright law has been broken, if so THEN criminal proceedings follow, so by this time ignorance is no defense, most ftp downloads etc have an info attached and this can be read before d/l

also its very easy to tell how long something has been on your machine, so why didn't you delete it as soon as you saw it was illegal, not that that will ever be an issue

 

SAFETY FIRST;)

just proves one point, you admitting on a public forum what you do, is that wise???

 

i think he *may* have been joking! :rofl:

I still buy the the same amount of albums each month as I did 10 years ago.

I also download lots of stuff too. Nothing has change really, I still make my contribution, only my music collection is bigger these days! ;)

i think he *may* have been joking! :rofl:

 

lol hence i said just proves one point

 

i meant how easy it was for people to state on forums what they do

i THINK i remember him saying he was struggling to host some vids

with 1.5 terrabytes he could host the WHOLE CAR lol

lol hence i said just proves one point

 

i meant how easy it was for people to state on forums what they do

i THINK i remember him saying he was struggling to host some vids

with 1.5 terrabytes he could host the WHOLE CAR lol

 

 

LOL billy, it was a joke, i dont have £100k+ per year to lease a T3+, if I did have that much dosh, i sure as hell wouldn't buy a super-fast internet connection just to share MP3's.

 

Not so sure about struggling to host car vids? Check link out at the bottom of my sig, I have a few vids hosted there on my FTP site.

agreed

 

also no such thing as a 24 hour rule/law if its illegal doesn't matter if its 24 mins or 24 months,

 

a lot of MAJOR ftp sites, have been busted and thousands of their customers

are being investigated because they paid to access the site by their OWN credit cards, so made it dead easy to be traced

 

the likes of bt CAN anytime they want see what your d/l to see if your breaching their rules, very rare they do but the powers that be can go to your isp and look at your traffic

 

as we all know piracy is linked to drugs/arms/crime :nelson:

BUT some kind of policing has to be there, otherwise the kiddy fiddlers and sick ****s would be having a field day

 

as above if the music industry want to be taken seriously, then they need to stop helping muppets become millionaires on the backs of the paying public

 

 

Any internet company can see what you are downloading. All they can do is fell you the file name and location but they actually wont know what the file is until they acutally run it themselves. I can put a log on your computer which will tell me what you are downloading, but a file called 1032783297.iso could be anything.

How many times have you downloaded a file from places like Kazaa and its not what the file was called? I remember trying to download some program and got Zoolander DVD rip because they changed the name of the file.

ISP can say you downloaded such a file, but they cant tell if you still have it. You can say it was downloaded by mistake and you deleted it straight away. But if they have a way of looking at the files on your computer, they are breaking the law.

 

I know some one who phoned up Microsoft for some help with Windows, but he had an illegal copy of Office installed. While on the phone the telephonist said to him that he had an illegal copy of Office installed onto his computer. But they could not act upon it because Microsoft themselves where breaking the law getting that information.

. But if they have a way of looking at the files on your computer, they are breaking the law.

 

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???not if as above you admit to using kazaa. as your already giving whoever access to mp3s etc, so doesn't take a brain surgeon to then take it from there

 

the authorities simply have to look over ISP (Internet Service Provider)

logs to see who is downloading 100 2-10 MEG files,

get their ip, trace it to their account with the ISP, get their name,

address, credit card, whatever else was submitted when you

registered with the ISP and then track you down. and this is also how they track kazaa users

 

no m8, never had to use kazaa or wanted to, and for reasons as above lol i won't go into all that

 

after all that i will try to make it clear my aim is to make people aware you CAN'T be to careful, and to think the riaa etc won't go after small users is naive, the same way the police target drivers, it's because it don't take much brain power to attack something in front of you,

and the downloaders are the fodder for them, you wouldn't go to bed and leave your door open or your car unlocked, so use the same kind of thought

for being online, BUT deffo don't think your immune to getting caught, if your always paranoid far less chance;)

 

 

dunk300zxtt yes i realise you were joking, yes hosting was the wrong word

i remember you posting about having to remove something because of the demand?? ;)

dunk300zxtt yes i realise you were joking, yes hosting was the wrong word

i remember you posting about having to remove something because of the demand?? ;)

 

 

Oh yes, i remember now. You lot went mad for my vids and downloaded over 50gb of stuff in a weekend. :shock: :shock: :nono:

 

Jezz (the main man) had a word in my shell-like :mac1: and requested i thin it down a little so as not to cane all his available bandwidth (because he would get a borrocking). :( :(

 

Robert.

Rob if you get caught shareing your porn vids, car vids and mp3's, i am divorcing you before we get married. And the £100,000 is mine. Anyone know where i report him too ?????:D