Hello Gents,

I was reading through the forum when I came across a page about whether God exists. I am not posting this to create an argument, just thought it might be interesting to some of you. I mean no insult whatsoever and respect everyones beliefs. Now with that said and done....lol... here is some information you might find interesting.

 

YAY or NAY? Part 1

 

IN THE IMAGE OF GOD OR BEAST?

The first man, Adam, was called a "son of God." (Luke 3:38) No animal has ever enjoyed that distinction. Yet, the Bible shows that humans have a number of things in common with animals. For example, both humans and animals are souls. When God formed Adam, "the man came to be a living soul," says Genesis 2:7. First Corinthians 15:45 concurs: "The first man Adam became a living soul." Humans are souls, so the soul is not some shadowy entity that survives the death of the body.

 

Concerning animals, Genesis 1:24 says: "Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind." So while dignifying humans by revealing that we were created in God's image, the Bible also reminds us of our humble status as earthly souls, along with the animals. Yet, there is something else man and beast have in common.

 

The Bible explains: "There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies . . . There is no superiority of the man over the beast . . . All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust." Yes, in death man and animals are also alike. Both return "to the ground," "to dust," from which they came.—Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20; Genesis 3:19.

 

But why are humans so profoundly distressed by death? Why do we dream of living forever? And why must we have a purpose in life? Surely, we differ greatly from animals!

 

Where We Differ From Animals

Would you be happy to go through life with no purpose other than to eat, sleep, and reproduce? The thought repels even dedicated evolutionists. "Modern man, this enlightened skeptic and agnostic," writes evolutionist T. Dobzhansky, "cannot refrain from at least secretly wondering about the old questions: Does my life have some meaning and purpose over and above keeping myself alive and continuing the chain of living? Does the universe in which I live have some meaning?"

 

Indeed, denying the existence of a Creator does not still man's quest for a meaning to life. Quoting historian Arnold Toynbee, Richard Leakey writes: "This spiritual endowment of [man] condemns him to a lifelong struggle to reconcile himself with the universe into which he has been born."

 

Yet, the fundamental questions about human nature, our origins, and our spirituality persist. A huge gulf obviously exists between man and animals. How great is that gulf?

 

A Gulf Too Wide to Bridge?.

A problem fundamental to the theory of evolution is the vast gulf that separates humans from animals. Really, how vast is it? Consider some of the things that evolutionists themselves have said about it

A prominent proponent of the evolution theory in the 19th century, Thomas H. Huxley, wrote: "No one is more strongly convinced than I am of the vastness of the gulf between . . . man and the brutes . . . , for he alone possesses the marvelous endowment of intelligible and rational speech [and] . . . stands raised upon it as on a mountain top, far above the level of his humble fellows."

 

Evolutionist Michael C. Corballis observes that "there is a striking discontinuity between humans and the other primates . . . 'Our brain is three times as large as we would expect for a primate of our build.'" And neurologist Richard M. Restak explains: "The [human] brain is the only organ in the known universe that seeks to understand itself."

 

Leakey acknowledges: "Consciousness presents scientists with a dilemma, which some believe to be unresolvable. The sense of self-awareness we each experience is so brilliant it illuminates everything we think and do." He also says: "Language does indeed create a gulf between Homo sapiens [humans] and the rest of the natural world."

 

Pointing to another marvel of the human mind, Peter Russell writes: "Memory is undoubtedly one of the most important human faculties. Without it there would be no learning . . . , no intellectual functioning, no development of language, nor any of the qualities . . . generally associated with being human."

 

Furthermore, no animal engages in worship. Thus, Edward O. Wilson notes: "The predisposition to religious belief is the most complex and powerful force in the human mind and in all probability an ineradicable part of human nature."

 

"Human behavior poses many other Darwinian mysteries," acknowledges evolutionist Robert Wright. "What are the functions of humor and laughter? Why do people make deathbed confessions? . . . What is the exact function of grief? . . . Now that the person is gone, how does grieving serve the genes?"

 

The evolutionist Elaine Morgan admits: "Four of the most outstanding mysteries about humans are: (1) why do they walk on two legs? (2) why have they lost their fur? (3) why have they developed such large brains? (4) why did they learn to speak?"

 

How are these questions answered by evolutionists? Morgan explains: "The orthodox answers to these questions are: (1) 'We do not yet know'; (2) 'We do not yet know'; (3) 'We do not yet know', and (4) 'We do not yet know.'"

 

A Shaky Theory

The writer of the book The Lopsided Ape noted that his aim "was to provide a broad-brush picture of human evolution through time. Many of the conclusions have been speculative, based as they are mainly on a few old teeth, bones, and stones." Indeed, even Darwin's own original theory is not accepted by many. Says Richard Leakey: "Darwin's version of the manner of our evolution dominated the science of anthropology up until a few years ago, and it turned out to be wrong."

 

Many evolutionists, according to Elaine Morgan, "have lost confidence in the answers they thought they knew thirty years ago." Thus, it is not surprising that some of the theories held by evolutionists have collapsed.

 

Woeful Consequences

Some studies have found that the number of females a male animal mates with is related to the difference in body size between the sexes. From this, some have concluded that human sex habits ought to be similar to those of chimpanzees, since chimp males, like their human counterparts, are just a little larger than the females. So some reason that like chimps, humans should be permitted to have more than one sex partner. And, indeed, many people do.

 

But what seems to work well for chimps has generally proved to be a disaster for humans. Promiscuity, the facts show, is a road to misery strewn with broken families, abortions, disease, mental and emotional trauma, jealousy, family violence, and abandoned children growing up maladjusted, only to continue the hurtful cycle. If the animal mold is correct, why the pain?

 

Evolutionary thinking also casts doubt on the sacredness of human life. By what authority is human life sacred if we say there is no God and view ourselves as nothing more than higher animals? Our intellect perhaps? If that were so, then the question raised in the book The Human Difference would be very appropriate: "Is it fair to treat humans as more valuable than dogs and cats just because we had all the [evolutionary] breaks?"

 

As the newer version of evolutionary thinking spreads, it "will inevitably affect moral thought deeply," says the book The Moral Animal. But it's a cruel morality that rests on the premise that we were formed by "natural selection," through which process, as H. G. Wells put it, "the strong and cunning get the better of the weak and confiding."

 

Significantly, many theories of evolutionists that have nibbled away at morality over the years have fallen before the next wave of thinkers. But the tragedy is that the damage such theories have caused remains.

 

Worship the Creation or the Creator?

Evolution turns one's eyes down to creation for answers, not up to the Creator. The Bible, on the other hand, turns our eyes up to the true God for our moral values and our purpose in life. It also explains why we have to struggle to avoid wrongdoing and why humans alone are so troubled by death. Moreover, its explanation of why we are inclined to do what is bad rings true in the human mind and heart. Please consider that satisfying explanation in part 2.

when CHrist died , if his body had been left to rot

 

like any other humnan . theyre would have been no

 

thought of sin . no religion but the body had to be taken

 

away and hidden.. some say the guards that were

 

guarding the tomb hid the body.. now remember

 

if the body had remain there wouldnt have been

 

no second coming .. the world would have been a much better place.. now the whole world is burden with sin.

 

which really dont exist .. if there is a heaven

 

who would want to spend eternity with w bunch of

 

goodie goodie people../. my 2c

Evolution, has to be, as if there is some greater being then he doesn’t care much for us, so why should I believe in him or her?

 

IMHO Religion is just another form of gang warfare. Basically it's about people arguing that their imaginary friend is better than yours. It's had it's time, now lets have some real progress.

I quote:

 

"a Witness is not allowed to smoke, to receive blood, to do military service, to celebrate feast days such as Christmas, birthdays and Shrove tuesday, to participate in political life or to vote in elections. Nor are the Witnesses allowed to read literature that is critical of the Watchtower Society. "

 

But they obviously allow ownership of a 300zx!

 

Also, from another website, the 11th commandment is "Thou must not covet thy neighbours Wide Arse Kit."

Creation. :dance:

 

That's 2 vs. 20.

 

Cos i don't think I evolved from this :smw:

 

Long live Britney. :dance: .........and long live the dancing Banana.

It is obvious that most of you who responded did not even take the time to read the information.

 

It also is interesting that you prefer to think that we evolved from Apes or some apelike thing. Why is it the human race is the ONLY creature that feels the need to worship something? Why are there still Apes?

 

When you wake up in the morning do you expect the sun not to ever show itself? Hmmm why not? Do you see astronaugts out there in space adjusting our distance from the earth so we do not burn up or freeze to death? Now leave your home for a year or so and what will you find on arrival. A clean pristine new home?

 

Why is it that out of all the planets this one is ONLY condusive to life? Why is the moon colder than the earth?

Did you know that without gravity your muscle tissue would not be of any use, you would be paralised? If you were left in space for too long then on returning to earth you would not be able to move because gravity keeps us fit in that sense.

 

Why is it that all of these things that are built and created, you never saw it done but accept that an intelligent being did it, but when it comes to something so far exceedingly complex such as the earth, or US you say... HA evolved.

 

I don't mind you ragging on me as that is understood, but guess what.... I 'chose' to be a witness. Look around you, we have this gorgeous earth that has been put here for US, yes US. Think about it, how many people do you know look forward to dying? do you see animals holding funerals? Do you see them crying when losing a loved one? Why is it we WANT to live?

 

If you would have taken the time to read what I postexd then you would see why we have been suffering and why God has allowed it.

 

The truth is I LOVE my human race, I look forward to the time when we can live without worrying about, death, wars, sickness, crime, poverty, pride of race...prejudice's... what is soooo wrong with that? The truth is I love all people as do all witnesess, but you may not believe what I am saying, but it is true.

 

I hope the best for all of you and hope you can at least be reasonable as best as possible.

With all respect Rypns- I do not agree that this is the forum for a detailed discussion on Creation V Evolution. To cover a subject on 3 posts on your view to preach to members of a car forum is sheer arrogance and I don't think it should have a place here.

 

There are numerous forums for religion and science to be debated - this ain't the place, unless you want a light hearted discussion.

 

I am a believer in God and God's Creation and I don't come on this forum for religious discussions, it's not the place!!!

 

That's my view any way and as a religious person I am outraged by your small mindness and evangelical attitude!!!

 

So do you anything about Zeds????

 

Geoff.

Originally posted by tanzx

With all respect Rypns- I do not agree that this is the forum for a detailed discussion on Creation V Evolution. To cover a subject on 3 posts on your view to preach to members of a car forum is sheer arrogance and I don't think it should have a place here.

 

There are numerous forums for religion and science to be debated - this ain't the place, unless you want a light hearted discussion.

 

I am a believer in God and God's Creation and I don't come on this forum for religious discussions, it's not the place!!!

 

That's my view any way and as a religious person I am outraged by your small mindness and evangelical attitude!!!

 

So do you anything about Zeds????

Geoff.

 

 

Sorry to make you feel that way... putraged though? I didn't look at it as arrogance. There was a post about this awhile back, but obviously you didn't read the information either. Sorry to offend you.

 

I DIDN'T post for a debate or to offend any. If I did I am truly sorry. I ONLY posted to give those who desire to know more a chance. Posting on a religious form is asking for a flame war.

So I shall not respond to this post anymore so it doesn't get into a flame war, that is not my intention. If anyone wants to find out more then pm me I'll try to help if I can. Also If someone asks my religious persuasion I shall respond as I am not ashamed even though most think we are tards. :dance: :dance:

Here, Here, Geoff,

I really do respect others beleifs, although I don't share them, but I resent people trying to "convert" me, it's bad enough being snook up on by smiley people on a sunday, when I'm under my car covered in grime with cack in my eyes, and someone appears down the end of my drive thrusting copies of pamphlets at me!! and asking me why I think the world is so full of greif, and how it will be made paradise come the great cleansing or whatever... arghh!! so don't do it on here.

 

And by the way, I have catholic & jewish friends, who don't try to convert me all the time, I used to know a Jehova's Witness, and all he did was try sneaky ways of getting my interest in his belief all the time, and frankly, he was down right weird!!

 

Paul N

i agree with geoff

 

so bearing witness isnt just in the kingdom hall - but is here the place???

 

Regards,

 

alex

 

p.s. nothing against the witness

Evolution is just a THEORY, and at best specilation. I certainly dont believe that I am related to monkeys, you can speak for yorself.

I DIDN'T post for a debate or to offend any. If I did I am truly sorry. I ONLY posted to give those who desire to know more a chance.

 

 

Rypins - God bless you! I did read the post on God etc. and I didn't like the idea of that debate either but it wasn't posted with a bloomin massive sermon!!!

 

What you say "I only posted etc..." is typical of a missionary - do you guys never give up!

 

Enjoy your TT.

 

Geoff.

Jesus loves you,

 

everyone else thinks you are a c*nt

 

locky locky.