Hi All

 

This proposal results from the issues members on both sites have had and are ongoing in recent times with payments being made and goods not being sent or received. I am not pointing any fingers but I would like to set the scene.

 

Whilst neither club promotes sales by members, they do facilitate such activity by having a ‘For Sale’ thread that members can advertise on. The respective committees cannot escape this, and this is a way in which many members keep their Zeds on the road or add bits and pieces to their taste. Generally it works well.

 

However, if a member accepts money and then does not fulfil his/her/their side of the bargain the problems inevitably occur. The person having sent the money feels aggrieved, Committees get involved, it causes ill feeling all round, involves other members and is totally unproductive. Not what either site intended.

 

So, if each site is facilitating a sale, are they prepared to help smooth such sales ?

 

Why couldn’t each site have a escrow account, into which monies could be paid by purrchasers ? It could either be run as a bank account or in Paypal.

 

In that way, the money would be safe and could be passed to the supplier when the goods are received by the customer. The money would not be released from the account until the customer accepted the goods as described. The supplier would know the money was in the account and they could have it as soon as the customer had the goods.

 

I know and understand that it would cause some admin effort, but effort to ensure the smooth running of respective club surely is worthwhile ?

Isn’t the committee elected to run the club for its members ?

 

Answers on a postcard.......

 

Tony

Well said Stella/ vods

 

Sellers aren't always totally to blame and the buyer in my case has admitted this.

 

From now on will be eBay listings, collection only, or arrange your own courier.

By the way, on ebay the buyer is king. Especially if paid by paypal. Buyer can use the old 'not as described' or 'not fit for purpose' lines.

True, I'll be glad when the last parts of the zed are gone and I can just enjoy being an onlooker again and offer advise and help when I can

By the way, on ebay the buyer is king. Especially if paid by paypal. Buyer can use the old 'not as described' or 'not fit for purpose' lines.

 

Agreed. The seller on E bay NEVER has a leg to stand on

By the way, on ebay the buyer is king. Especially if paid by paypal. Buyer can use the old 'not as described' or 'not fit for purpose' lines.

 

i didnt know that, ive never sold anything on ebay

i didnt know that, ive never sold anything on ebay

 

I wouldn't recommend it at all. Ebay charge you fees, then paypal charge you fees too. So ebay basically charge you twice because paypal is ebay. Gumtree is where I like to sell stuff because its free with no fees and more old skool. BUT ALSO OWNED BY EBAY which is rather peculiar!

Don't know if it's possible or even exists but couldnt we have like a private for sale part in eBay then the stuff is pitchers that way using paypal and then the seller can get a refund via paypal if the stuff doesn't turn up

Right... The decision is made!!! Whether your selling or buying don't be a twit lol. Follow the guidelines already there lol

i think this is a crap idea, this place is a car forum and it only has the selling part as a sideline for its members to use responsibly, it isnt a forum dedicated to sales such as ebay, the implications into holding peoples money and parts can be immense, so many problems can occur and cause even more problems than we have

 

the only problems we have had recently have came from members holding a position on another forum, one has been sorted and the other is being dealt with and discussed, we as a club can only do so much, we cant take legal action and both parties ATM are communicating best they can

 

i think this thread was only brought up to yet again promote the fact their may be another forum, i think most of the members here know about it now and its upto those members to choose wether to use other forum's, its doesnt need to be forced upon them by keep having these threads, im not sure you have the members interest's at heart and only have your own and your forums interests in sight

 

if you want to have this in place then you have a forum to do it on, it didnt need to be brought up here in the public forum, at best you could have pm'd a comittee member or our TLO groover

 

oh and having seen a comment on the other forum i doubt you as a chairman should be in a position to post this thread

 

your words:

 

Well come back safe and sound from the Afghans and take your mates round to pay him a visit !

 

Tony on Tapatalk

 

I have stayed out of this until now - since I have been called upon to look into the matter which provoked this suggestion. But having read some the nonsence spouted by 2 indivuals, I am will Stella 100% on the above post (have some rep my learned friend). And to Tony if you're reading this; if you made such a suggestion on here you'd have been handed a week's holiday for an inflamatory comment inciting potential violence. Like i have said, we have standards here so if you're not able to rise to said standards then you're not welcome. Simples........

 

Well said Stella/ vods

 

Sellers aren't always totally to blame and the buyer in my case has admitted this.

 

From now on will be eBay listings, collection only, or arrange your own courier.

 

And to Craig, having read all the to-ings and fro-ings regarding the debacle; whilst there might have been one or two communication issues, I believe you have done your best to make good the situation. I hope you and Marty can resolve your differences and (despite what some individuals elsewhere think) Groover, me and anyone else on the committee will assist both of you in any way we can under the circumstances.

 

My personal opinion (and not that of the club, its committee etc; but mine only) is that "someone" here has tried to make a mountain out of a tiny molehill. You know who you are and such snide behaviour, if proven, will not be tollerated on this club 'site. Heed that warning my friend otherwise you too will be enjoying some time away from here........

 

Richard

I have another thought for you all regarding the private buying and selling of parts etc on the forum......

 

Let's not forget how difficult it can be to deal with breaking cars and selling the parts on etc when you have a full time job to hold down. Hell that's why there are professional breakers like JeffTT who will charge more; give warranties and deliver next day. If you buy privately, you pays your money and takes your choice; and above all, bear with the seller as far as reasonably expected!!

 

It's a bit like running this forum - don't forget the committee and mods all give their spare time to the club and work forum issues around their day jobs, families etc. It's all too easy sometimes to expect responses, parts deliveries etc etc immediately because we are used to it at work; via online shopping 'sites etc; that we forget on web-based car clubs like this, the people we deal with are actually doing what they do (be it moderating, selling etc) purely as a hobby. And like any hobby it takes a back seat to "normal life."

 

So whilst the vast majority of trading activities between members are glitch free, please remember the above points and have a little patience and consideration when dealing with somone who, like you, is just endulging in their hobby. If you want a part and you want it urgently, now, this minute, then contact one of our official traders who is actually doing it for a living!!

 

Richard

Jeez' guys, this snide bickering is getting really ****ing boring now. Just get some 16 oz's on and sort it once and for all like gentlemen or steer clear of each other...just for **** sake keep the handbags and sly digs off this forum (I've spilt my brew now....bugger!) :biggrin:

 

with regards to the 'actual' thread topic, as far as I can see there is absolutely no chance in hell that everyone will agree on how buying & selling should be conducted and to that end Ebay/Paypal (as shit as it is) is still sadly, the safest bet and even that is ludicrously flawed (and costly)

 

it's a fact of life that people will feel agrieved if expectations aren't met during a transaction and if either party aren't willing to concede at least some of the responsibility when things go wrong then things can (and usually do) get out of hand pretty damn quick.

 

A 'For Sale' template works well elsewhere and will no doubt help 'manage expectations' during transactions, but this will in no way provide protection above this, after all if somebody wants to diddle you out of your hard earned then they will happily try their hand at doing just that

 

It never ceases to amaze me that some people still think that just because another person drives the same freakin' car as them that they will automatically share similar moral values and principles

 

99% positive transactions versus 1% dodgy transactions is a pretty good statistic to be fair, you've only got to look back at Driftworks over the last few years to see how many scamming arse bandits there are floating about tinterwebz'. DW adopted the 'For Sale' template and the mod's took a hard stand against both dodgy sellers and nieve buyers. If the buyer sent payment by Paypal as a gift then his/her whinging was drowned out by the barrage of piss take from members/mods. Now I'm not suggesting that we adopt the same mentality but a line has to be drawn, the forum either intervenes wholly in making sure that transactions are bulletproof (nigh on impossible unless an Escrow policy is adopted = highly unlikely) or they back the **** off, provide a means of reducing unrealistic expectaions (ie. ebay link or For Sale template which must include lots of good photographs) and the adoption of a zero tollerence policy of No Photo = No Sale, followed by rapid deletion of thread by mod) and then just let buyer/seller hammer it out amongst themselves via PM

 

 

I've probably worded that completely wrong but my nuts are covered in scalding tea so please excuse me...

Jeez' guys, this snide bickering is getting really ****ing boring now. Just get some 16 oz's on and sort it once and for all like gentlemen or steer clear of each other...just for **** sake keep the handbags and sly digs off this forum (I've spilt my brew now....bugger!) :biggrin:

 

with regards to the 'actual' thread topic, as far as I can see there is absolutely no chance in hell that everyone will agree on how buying & selling should be conducted and to that end Ebay/Paypal (as shit as it is) is still sadly, the safest bet and even that is ludicrously flawed (and costly)

 

it's a fact of life that people will feel agrieved if expectations aren't met during a transaction and if either party aren't willing to concede at least some of the responsibility when things go wrong then things can (and usually do) get out of hand pretty damn quick.

 

A 'For Sale' template works well elsewhere and will no doubt help 'manage expectations' during transactions, but this will in no way provide protection above this, after all if somebody wants to diddle you out of your hard earned then they will happily try their hand at doing just that

 

It never ceases to amaze me that some people still think that just because another person drives the same freakin' car as them that they will automatically share similar moral values and principles

 

99% positive transactions versus 1% dodgy transactions is a pretty good statistic to be fair, you've only got to look back at Driftworks over the last few years to see how many scamming arse bandits there are floating about tinterwebz'. DW adopted the 'For Sale' template and the mod's took a hard stand against both dodgy sellers and nieve buyers. If the buyer sent payment by Paypal as a gift then his/her whinging was drowned out by the barrage of piss take from members/mods. Now I'm not suggesting that we adopt the same mentality but a line has to be drawn, the forum either intervenes wholly in making sure that transactions are bulletproof (nigh on impossible unless an Escrow policy is adopted = highly unlikely) or they back the **** off, provide a means of reducing unrealistic expectaions (ie. ebay link or For Sale template which must include lots of good photographs) and the adoption of a zero tollerence policy of No Photo = No Sale, followed by rapid deletion of thread by mod) and then just let buyer/seller hammer it out amongst themselves via PM

 

 

I've probably worded that completely wrong but my nuts are covered in scalding tea so please excuse me...

 

i understand fully what you just said, boiled nuts or not

 

Jap.slapper i love ya (but not in a doo you up the bum kinda way) just made me laugh reading that, even though it had some bloody good points.

 

Funny thing is, we have been accused of being over moderating, something i actually laugh at given the fact there are forums out there a hell of a lot stricter than here. i still think ebay is the way with transactions over £100, and im sure there might be a way of offering the part to a specific person, to keep it with in ebay.

 

Regardless of the rules of ebay, there is one thing that people cant say, at least there is away of sorting things out through them if shit hits the fan. (well to a better degree than here)

 

and yes, we are also sick of the stupid bickering and attempted point scoring that seems to be going on recently.

Agree with that mate, the selling template along with plenty of GOOD photos can't come soon enough.

 

All packages must be sent recorded, tracking numbers issued the same day of posting and all payments by paypal not sent as a gift would help as well I believe unless ideally meeting in person to buy and sell. The template should be law, no compliance means no sale, thread deleted.

 

As for the inter forum bickering/point scoring/put downs etc, I don't why it all started, it was before I first came here and I don't really care. What I do know is that it ruins both sites for everyone who is not involved. Imagine what new members think if they sign up and see one of these big threads of the committees of both sites slamming into each other on their first visit! Not cool at all. Neither new or long standing members want to be subjected to it constantly.

 

IMO each site should aim to be the best it can be and be run how the the respective committees feel it should be run. It shouldn't be a case of trying to be better than each other and slagging off the decisions each other make, it doesn't achieve anything positive. The forums should bring a sense of community and camaraderie not make people feel like they have to pick a side! This wont happen until you guys ALL turn over a new leaf. I've met loads of people from the 300ZX scene and you have all been great but the way things are at present doesn't reflect that on the forum. This post is meant as constructive criticism/input, nothing else.:biggrin:

Edited July 25, 201213 yr by Eggs
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i think this is a crap idea, this place is a car forum and it only has the selling part as a sideline for its members to use responsibly, it isnt a forum dedicated to sales such as ebay, the implications into holding peoples money and parts can be immense, so many problems can occur and cause even more problems than we have

 

the only problems we have had recently have came from members holding a position on another forum, one has been sorted and the other is being dealt with and discussed, we as a club can only do so much, we cant take legal action and both parties ATM are communicating best they can

 

i think this thread was only brought up to yet again promote the fact their may be another forum, i think most of the members here know about it now and its upto those members to choose wether to use other forum's, its doesnt need to be forced upon them by keep having these threads, im not sure you have the members interest's at heart and only have your own and your forums interests in sight

 

if you want to have this in place then you have a forum to do it on, it didnt need to be brought up here in the public forum, at best you could have pm'd a comittee member or our TLO groover

oh and having seen a comment on the other forum i doubt you as a chairman should be in a position to post this thread

 

your words:

 

Well come back safe and sound from the Afghans and take your mates round to pay him a visit !

 

Tony on Tapatalk

 

 

 

I'm a paid up subscribed member on here. I put that suggestion up purely because the problems existed on here and Gonzo was posting the story across on the other site. It was meant as a suggestion and has generated a useful discussion and a way forward found. Job Done

Doesn't matter, just realised there's apparently loads more going on other than this thread

Edited July 25, 201213 yr by bird