Ok this may take a bit of time to explain as it's very complex but I'll try my best to keep it simple. (I won't name names/companies just to keep it ok for open discussion)

 

there's a bit of waffle at the beginning (which a lot of you will have heard before)

 

and there are a few legal agent/seller questions at the end....

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of people are aware of my RX7 issue that has been ongoing for several years (so my appologies for the repetition). To date this has not been resolved and it's very unlikely that I will be taking this to court as the individuals in question have exploited several legal loopholes.

 

However I feel now that I may have to take a trip to Japan to try to rectify this in person.

 

 

Character introduction:

 

(1) A company owner (New Zealander who we'll call Steve) and owns a Japan based vehicle export company (we'll call this company Play Ltd) and owned an RX7 (newly built 600bhp widebody RX7 FD3S)

 

(2) An American business partner of Steve who helps him build his RX7 but shortly afterwards does a runner back to US having mis-sold several cars to UK buyers and then fails to deliver

 

(3) A Japanese driver called Cow-head-batter who also owns a garage in Japan called (Diving Sports). People used to like him but now they don't because he's been caught out by others.

 

(4) A Brit called John Brams owner of (Several sided imports) he also owns an ebay user account with the slightly different name of (Several-sided-imports)

 

(5) and there's me....a bit of a gullable tit! :blink:

 

 

Sequence of events:

 

(1) I spot Steve's RX7 for sale on Pistonheads being sold by Diving Sports. I enquire but recieve no reply.

 

(2) I then spot Steve's RX7 for sale on ebay.co.uk being sold by John Brams of Several sided imports. I think this is suspicious so I contact Steve direct, who informs me that Diving Sports are con men and not authorised to sell his car and that the authorised individual is John Brams owner of Several-sided imports.

 

(3) I contact John Brams of Several sided imports and arrange to go and meet at the company premises before handing over payment in person (at this point it's £12,500)

 

(4) Steve contacts John Brams in order to offer me several thousand pounds worth of extras (carbon fibre door cards/pair of Bride leather seats and rails etc). John Brams contacts me and agree to pay an additional £2500+ (which he is then paid).

 

(5) The car is supposed to arrive withing 6 weeks (which it does not). 7 months after paying for the car (and a lot of contradicting emails) I recieve the email stating that the car has arrived but import duty has increased and I owe an additional £1400.

 

(6) I travel to Several sided imports premises and meet John Brams and his girlfriend with the intention of handing over the £1400.

 

(7) I realise that the car is 3 years older, the bodywork is in very poor state, parts are missing and broken and the engine is different. The original red paint is coming through the hastily applied blue top coat. Needless to say the car is refused. I am told by John Brams that I will have to speak to his solicitor.

 

(8) In a very short space of time my solicitor makes it clear to John Brams solicitor that their client is talking through his hoop (photographs taken before and after highlight the damage and discrepancies etc) and he is advised that he should issue a refund. John Brams agrees but requests that he is given 28 days in order to resell the 'offered' car in order to have the funds to do so. This is granted.

*subsequently it is identified that on this very same day ^^^^ John Brams registers Several sided imports in the name of his girlfriend Karol Kinly whilst concurrently drawing back all of the equity in their property, remorgaging their property and drawing £106,000 of cash advances on credit cards etc

**all of which is placed into John Brams account

 

(9) John Brams advertises the RX7 up for sale posting several adverts on ebay (stating that the RX7 is a 1992 model that is running just 450bhp and required bodywork repair and respray due it being in poor state when it arrived from Japan)

 

(10) After several months of being advertised for sale the RX7 is eventually listed as 'Sold'. I contact John Brams to ask when I would recieve my refund and am told abruptly that I would not get a penny as the car had only sold for £5000 and that had to be used to rectify the damage mentioned in the subsequent adverts, John Brams also stated that Several sided imports would not be around much longer and hung up the phone.

 

(11) A few weeks later I recieve a letter from the insolvency agency stating that the 'owner' of Several sided imports Miss Karol Kinly, was filing for insolvency and therefore I would only recieve a refund of £1000 paid back over a 5 year period.

 

(12) A few weeks after this I am informed by letter that Miss Karol Kinly has been declared bankrupt and Several sided imports have ceased trading. I am informed that I will recieve no refund.

 

(13) That day John Brams moves all of the Several sided imports stock out of their previous premises and moved into their new premises just down the road under the new name of Several sided Japanese imports (the ebay user account remained the same however the name was changed slightly to that of Several-sided-Japanese-imports)

 

and there in lay the problem...all of the assets and funds (and holiday Villa in Bulgaria!) were now in the name of John Brams whilst Karol Kinly took the hit as the bankrupt....this obviously is not an issue as they have plenty of assets set aside

 

 

+ Lots of £100,000+ dodgy deals and money transfers to 'someone' in the States and ripping off of Italian companies and purchasing of expensive custom built cars etc but that's another story

 

 

 

Subsequent investigations highlight that the comapnay names over the last few years looked something like this:

 

 

- Several sided motorsport

 

- several sided motorsports

 

- Pickles paint shop

 

- Several sided imports

 

- Several sided Japanese imports

 

- LDB Clothing

 

- Low Drain Bifters

 

- Low Drain Speedshed

 

 

and it go's on.....

 

 

anyway, my questions are thus:

 

 

(1) Irrespective of the fact that the owner of the company (Several sided imports) was Miss Karol Kinley, the ebay contract ('Buy it Now') was with the individual that owned the ebay user account (Several-sided-imports) which funny old thing is John Brams, with the contact email address as: john.brams@btinternet etc etc

with a corresponding trail of emails throughout the seven months with: John Brams and mobile number of John Brams

 

The contract therefore is with John Brams surely as the ebay account (even in name) are similar but not the same anyway

 

 

(2) However, despite the company name changes and asset/money hiding, John Brams initially tried to lay the blame on Steve in Japan (with Steve being the 'agent'.....though I'm sure it's actually the other way round??). Is there any merit in persuing John Brams (I can't persue Karol Kinley as she's protected by the bullet proof vest that is bankruptcy protection) or should this argument now be taken up with Steve of play Ltd?

After all it was his car and it has been suggested that he supplied the original information for both the Diving sports advert and that of Several sided imports (both of which were 99.9% identical, including same pics and spec list) though the Several sided imports advert corrected a few mistakes and added 'more' information such as the full initial date of registration.

 

 

With all of the above taken into account....basically I suppose what I'm asking is "Who's **** should I be kicking in to get my money back?"

Edited May 30, 201213 yr by jap.slapper

here is basic overview mate:

 

http://www.300zx.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?161733-Contractual-Law-When-buying-Goods-new-or-used-within-the-UK

 

I will be back in a few hours to read through your post and give specific advice, but got to head out for now. will defo check it out though :D

John Brams could be solely responsible, Steve advised it was John Bram's car for sell, he was the legal owner and only he had rights to sell. Was the car registered to John Brams, or to several sided imports? or is this unknown? that could be the decider on the whole issue.

 

Was payment made in cash, loan, debit card, cheque or credit card?

 

I ask as if it was a credit card, the credit card company are legally responsible to resolve the issue, Same if there was finance on the car. If it was a cheque, was it payable to John Brams or Several sided imports? and if it was a debit card, your bank should be able to trace if it went to John Brams Bank, or Several sided imports. With cash it could be hard to prove, as a receipt would more than likely state it was several sided imports.

 

Will be back soon, any additional info would be great.

John Brams could be solely responsible, Steve advised it was John Bram's car for sell, he was the legal owner and only he had rights to sell. Was the car registered to John Brams, or to several sided imports? or is this unknown? that could be the decider on the whole issue.

 

Was payment made in cash, loan, debit card, cheque or credit card?

 

I ask as if it was a credit card, the credit card company are legally responsible to resolve the issue, Same if there was finance on the car. If it was a cheque, was it payable to John Brams or Several sided imports? and if it was a debit card, your bank should be able to trace if it went to John Brams Bank, or Several sided imports. With cash it could be hard to prove, as a receipt would more than likely state it was several sided imports.

 

Will be back soon, any additional info would be great.

 

 

Direct quote from Steve's (Play Ltd) email response to my question:

 

"The authorised UK seller is definately Mr john Brams of Several sided imports. It only came to my attention the end of December that the car was even advertised on Pistonheads (without my permission). Have been in touch with PH to have car removed but probably due to New Year holiday it is still listed. I hope this helps you and if I can be of any further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact either myself or John at Several sided imports"

 

Best regards

Steve H

Play Ltd

 

 

Within a few months of the above statement ^^^^ Steve + Cow-head-batter travelled to the UK and stayed with John Brams in Gloucester...

 

I believe that the car (when it arrived at the port and was collected) that it was put in the name of John Brams and quite possibly still is (or an associate) as I don't believe that it has been sold on....I believe that it has either been broken/exported outside the UK or is in storage waiting for 6 years to elapse!

 

 

Payment of £12,500 was a bankers draft made out to the name of Miss Karol Kinly t/a Several sided imports

 

also £500 cash and the remainder paid into a Natwest bank account

 

Payment of £12,500 was a bankers draft made out to the name of Miss Karol Kinly t/a Several sided imports

 

also £500 cash and the remainder paid into a Natwest bank account

 

Thats a proper tough one, as John Brams was selling the goods, but you paid Karol Kinly, which technicaly means you have made a contractual agreement with her to provide the vehicle.

 

It sounds to me like major misrepresentation and by the sounds of it, planned.

 

Have you spoken with trading standards? as its over £5,000 it wont be able to be settled in a small claims court - even if John Brams could be held accountable.

 

Im sure you have already spoken to a solicitor. I will copy and paste above info to my sister in the next few days. She is a qualified Lawyer, but back at Oxford Uni, studying to be a barrister, she is pretty ruthless with things, and could probably argue the pope into becoming an aethiest lol. Anyway, hopefully we can find something that helps you out.

 

Your a better man than me, I would of been arrested by now if some one did the dirty on me that bad.

 

Will defo pass it on for further advice. I so hope we can solve this! I love catching rip of merchants. Dom on that TV programme would love this case, a company which goes into insolvency and basically opens up again, with a different owner, namely their partner, sureley premises and stock etc must of been transsffered from one to the other? if so, debts and bills would of been transffered too.

definately planned...but it's a very tricky case to determine who we should persue

 

Over £6,000 of solicitors and barristers fees later and the general consensus was sue every fooker' because they all play their part.

 

I've got several files full of evidence, it's actually a really good read, because you can't help but think 'cheeky fookers'. but yeah it would be good if your sister took a look....and interestingly enough I've just been PM'd (on another forum) by a guy who bought Play Ltd's company demo car in 2010, he paid Steve for it and it turned up in shite order. Newly built engine turned out to have been built several years ago etc

 

No joy for him either (although he at least does have a car to show for his £7000 outlay)

Sounds like a proper bunch of cowboys. Who seem to know what they are doing - In a bad way of course...

 

Best importer I know is New Era Imports. They imported the Orange and black Veilside RX7 from Tokyo Drift, a guy in Bristol owns it, but has sold a lot of parts of on exchange basis, i.e chromed engine parts sold for cash plus OEM parts to go back on, I know his as a friend of mine bought most of the chromed parts from the engine bay lol. other than body kit and seats, the car was 100% standard bar a greddy air intake. and a fake NOS bottle lol.

 

Will defo pass info on to sister though. hopefully she can make some sense of this.

Cheers bud

hope you get it sorted mate...........i would have 'sent the boys round' before now, just to 'tickle' them a bit :)

Interesting read. There Are soo many crooks out there.

I really hope you get this sorted bud, as said above I would struggle to keep my cool in such circumstances.

 

I don't think getting Dom from the TV is such a bad idea. Even if things can't be resolved, hopefully this scumbag will be exploited and won't be able to continue doing this. Plus, I wouldn't mind watching it :)

A real tricky one mate, not sure how to go about sorting it, well apart from a Sig-Sauer in the face to show you ain't pissing about if you know what I mean.

A real tricky one mate, not sure how to go about sorting it, well apart from a Sig-Sauer in the face to show you ain't pissing about if you know what I mean.

 

It is a tricky one because I decided from the off that I wanted it all to be sorted through the legal channels (remember what I said previously about being a gullable tit!) I didn't factor that the law can be exploited to the benefit the wrong'ens of this world

 

and in addition to the first guy that PM'd me, I've had a PM from a company in the US who have also been stung (for $28,000 in 2010), this is a big old scam, no doubt about it

 

but I'm still pushing it, not for the money but simply out of principle

A real tricky one mate, not sure how to go about sorting it, well apart from a Sig-Sauer in the face to show you ain't pissing about if you know what I mean.

 

Or a Desert Eagle for full effect!, christ them things are big!

Its truely shocking people can easily get away with this, the law at times is a complete ass and in complete favour of the morons who inflict grief on others.

 

Sad to say but a visit would be on the cards I think, if not for anything but stress relief and a small bit of satisfaction (Midnight raid with vandalism of their property, once a month for the next year^^)

 

Hope you get it sorted m8, tossers deserve whats coming to them all the way.

 

Cheers John

Best route imo.

 

If it can be solved he is the man. he would be able to link the multiple trading names legally and possibly get a resolution.

 

Havent heard back from my sister yet as she has been studying, but I believe its holidays now, so I will collar her when she goes back to our mums house lol

 

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a) it was a company you bought from, they pretty much closed down and reopened the next day under a different name b) you never took delivery of goods as they were not as described c) you never received your refund

Well interestingly enough Phil Morrison, owner of Driftworks, has been on the recieving end of the same fat little tea leaf that owes me an uber RX7

 

*not sure why I can't cut and paste but this is the thread that Phil has just posted

 

Julian Barnes: Thief - Severnside imports - Achillies Tire - Low Brain Drifters

dont think u did it right

jap, slapper if you go and see my wee m8 lindsay bruce down at the gym in your town he will straighten a few bent tea leafs for ya, lol

jap, slapper if you go and see my wee m8 lindsay bruce down at the gym in your town he will straighten a few bent tea leafs for ya, lol

 

I know Lindsay well mate, I'm a member of Pyramid Fitness and will be popping down there tomorrow. Incidentaly Lyndsey and I used to do exactly the same job for exactly the same people (although I'm about 3 foot taller than him!) :shifty:

 

I'll tell him you said hello

interestingly enough the DW mods have just re-instated my thread that was closed/deleted in 2009 regarding Severnside Imports

 

So many people are coming out now and saying that they've been ripped off by the bloke

Just had a good read on DW and it looks like a lot of bad calma going his way:yinyang:

yeah lol small lad aint he lol, i no both his brothers as well.

Just had a good read on DW and it looks like a lot of bad calma going his way:yinyang:

 

I've always said, the Karma Police never sleep....it will always catch up with you in the end and as far as I'm concerned I'm going to do everything to bring the prick to justice and face up to his crimes *runs off to put his Batman outfit on :ph34r:

 

I'd be very surprised if they (Severnside Imports/LBD) even entered a car/cars this season, ripping off Phil and Driftworks is a big old bridge to burn...

 

it does seem to be the trend with this guy though, he gets what he can out of people and then screws them over royally. He screwed Luke Fink over for fook' sake, and that was his own driver!!!

yeah lol small lad aint he lol, i no both his brothers as well.

 

I've never met his brothers but I assume they look like him

 

 

 

 

 

he has got freakin' big though, he's very serious about the old body building thing

lol, psml..