Who will win lol

 

Anyone keeping an eye on the news??

 

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16121698

 

Take a look

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, but having read many of the posts and having heard many opinions (all of which we are entitled to)

 

I am saying here and now: I was on strike on Wed, I marched through Oxford

 

Why?

 

Massive cuts to youth provision

No more youth service, no connexions service, no mentoring service, no face to face counselling, no family intervention to name but a few vital services that have been cut that we have been fighting for.

 

The government and those in power have seen that we were crushed along the way, and the only thing left to fight for after all our professions and our services were slashed is our pensions

 

I work incredibly hard... i often work over 50hrs a week, and have worked many longer weeks too.

 

I work with some of the most vulnerable people in society... young people who have been dealt a pretty crappy hand. Those who have very little chance in life.... kids on drugs, kids who's parents are on drugs, some kids who have been forced into prostitution, some who still cant read and write at the age of 16, 17 and 18, some with serious mental health issues, kids who live on the streets to name but a few.

 

Many many of my hard working (and admittedly some lazy and not so great) colleagues are now out of work having had their jobs slashed in an attempt to save money and fill the holes in our make believe economy, holes that were created by people who couldn't be further from those working in the public sector.

 

I myself had to re-apply and had to take a 12% paycut.. all in the name of austerity. I work sodding hard, I deal with a lot of crap, and i get a pretty poor salary. With all this said i feel that i have a right to stand up for my job, for my dying profession, for my colleagues, my service users, and my pension.

 

And just to clarify, my pension is not just given to me... i pay over £175 a month into said pension, and will be doing this for the next 40 years having paid into it for over 8 years already. 50 years of that = over £100,000 of my own investment into the pension, so surely I have the right to stand up and fight when someone is messing with my future security. Seeing as i will probably never be in a position to own my own home due to my low income, this future security is pretty important to me.

 

I cannot talk for every public sector worker out there, but i can talk for myself and that is what i have just done.

 

Pabs I like you, no scrub that, I LOVE you, you're awesome, but..... you're in the wrong job and you know it! Essentially if you choose to do a job that you know full well you're going to get screwed over in, why do it? Because you love it? Then you have no right to complain, you made the choice. I know it's harsh, but it's true. I made the choice to do what I do, it isn't brilliant tbh, it has it's benefits and it has it's areas which SERIOUSLY SUCK! But I chose to do it.

 

The public sector is a pretty crap place to be for people like you, you don't get 16 or 18 weeks holiday per year, you have to deal with some nasty people too I dare say, just like the nurses out there who are good at what they do, but the simple fact is, you choose to work in a profession that you KNOW, is going to pay you poorly, treat you poorly and essentially pull the rug from under your feet whenever the government feels like it. I'm not saying I agree with the cuts they're making, army, navy, airforce, nurses, doctors, etc. etc. but, stuff has to be cut.

 

I'll probably never own my own home mate, and I probably earn twice what you do (That's not me boasting, I just know what people in your job earn). I could (And do occassionally) whine about the fact I pay more tax than most people, due to being a high earner, a smoker, a drinker and drive a petrol guzzling car, but it won't get me anywhere, I'm forced to stand outside to smoke and generally abused for my life style, even though I'm probably funding 2 public sector workers pensions, without having one myself, and that's REGARDLESS of whether or not those pensions are cut, I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE!

 

Sorry dude, I really hope you haven't taken offence at anything I've said, as that's not how anything I've said has been intended, but IN GENERAL, the public sector has been taking the piss for a long time and now it's paying for it. If you want to blame anyone, blame Labour and your colleagues who raped the country left right and centre for everything they could while the going was good.

Yeah from the breakfast show, he eventually got the boot for a comment about a government employee, mocked her last name etc...

 

Here's a collection of Paul Henry's finest for those interested:

 

DISCLAIMER: DO NOT watch this if you are easily offended.

 

[YOUTUBE]5v2rFxOb9RM[/YOUTUBE]

 

funniest thing ive seen for ages

funniest thing ive seen for ages

 

I agree :lol::lol: why cant we have breakfast tv like that:lol:

Got to admit, that did make me laugh.

 

Just as a heads up for some people, ZedZilla comes across as a pretty typical Kiwi tbh, he says it how it is. Most people behaving like him, would get called a troll or a keyboard warrior etc. He even managed to actually upset Rose rather than piss her off, which shows how much we've changed and become LESS thick skinned being back in England.

 

I've kinda got to stand up for him a bit, Kiwis don't really do the whole "pussy foot around" thing. It got me in a LOT of trouble when I came back here, because I really just didn't fit in in an office environment. I was swearing loudly in the middle of the office, telling women their arse looked fat in that dress, telling the boss "you're a fackin idiot mate", all sorts :D It's just kinda how it is over there.

 

Yeap, couldn't really sum it up any better.

 

It's not that i mean to offend or upset others, i just don't sugarcoat my opinions to spare peoples feelings. I see no purpose in it whatsoever, it's like debating over a tomato being a fruit or a vegetable... tastes the same regardless.

Doesn't give you free reign to be outright rude. Fair play to Alex for his more liberated views since becoming a senior member of a similar site. If anyone was deliberately belligerent to my partner I'm not so sure I'd be so forgiving.

Not normally something I get involved in but even I get wound up by people who hide behind a keyboard.

I reiterate, manners cost nothing.

I agree :lol::lol: why cant we have breakfast tv like that:lol:

 

He got fired in the end, that's why we can't have breakfast TV like that :( Unfortunately even the Kiwis have a level of 'PC' that the government insists they meet for public figures etc. I have no idea why, because most Kiwis couldn't give a flying f*** lol.

Doesn't give you free reign to be outright rude. Fair play to Alex for his more liberated views since becoming a senior member of a similar site. If anyone was deliberately belligerent to my partner I'm not so sure I'd be so forgiving.

Not normally something I get involved in but even I get wound up by people who hide behind a keyboard.

I reiterate, manners cost nothing.

 

I have nothing whatsoever to hide mate.

Doesn't give you free reign to be outright rude. Fair play to Alex for his more liberated views since becoming a senior member of a similar site. If anyone was deliberately belligerent to my partner I'm not so sure I'd be so forgiving.

Not normally something I get involved in but even I get wound up by people who hide behind a keyboard.

I reiterate, manners cost nothing.

 

Agreed 100%

 

most intelligent people can quite easily voice an opinion without offending others - its basic social skills that many people choose to ignore & use this as a way of basically bullying people. Then just say "well I just speak my mind"

 

Strangly enough when you speak your mind back they usually dont like it & feel the need to defend themselves constantly!

 

A member posts pictures of his car up, he has done a lot of body mods & he likes it - its not to your taste, you could just say "nice work but not my taste TBH!" - insert a smiley & fair enough, you have spoken your mind. Not many people would be offended by this. Or you say "fekking hell mate - thats the sh!ttyest zed I have ever seen. Needs scrapping IMO" - yup, you have spoken your mind again but in a way that is obviously going to offend. No need!!

 

Its not sugar coating - its about having respect for others & being polite. Even if your views are different you can certainly voice them but in a way that does not need to offend.

 

Everyone has an outburst every now & then, but some people just are like this in everyday life.

 

All IMHO & not aimed at anyone or meaning to cause offence ;)

 

BTW - why is it that people think they can say "no offence BUT............." and then go on to say the most offensive thing ever!! LOL!! :devil2:

Agreed 100%

 

most intelligent people can quite easily voice an opinion without offending others - its basic social skills that many people choose to ignore & use this as a way of basically bullying people. Then just say "well I just speak my mind"

 

Strangly enough when you speak your mind back they usually dont like it & feel the need to defend themselves constantly!

 

A member posts pictures of his car up, he has done a lot of body mods & he likes it - its not to your taste, you could just say "nice work but not my taste TBH!" - insert a smiley & fair enough, you have spoken your mind. Not many people would be offended by this. Or you say "fekking hell mate - thats the sh!ttyest zed I have ever seen. Needs scrapping IMO" - yup, you have spoken your mind again but in a way that is obviously going to offend. No need!!

 

Its not sugar coating - its about having respect for others & being polite. Even if your views are different you can certainly voice them but in a way that does not need to offend.

 

Everyone has an outburst every now & then, but some people just are like this in everyday life.

 

All IMHO & not aimed at anyone or meaning to cause offence ;)

 

BTW - why is it that people think they can say "no offence BUT............." and then go on to say the most offensive thing ever!! LOL!! :devil2:

 

LMAO @ that last bit and well said on the rest. The only thing I can say is, without wishing to go on the full defence of someone else, Kiwis generally don't 'get' the sugar coating thing. They all speak to each other like that, whether you take offence or not is 'your problem' out there.

 

I'm not excusing his posting style or behaviour, just perhaps trying to shed some light for those who may feel offended by his posts, why he is doing so, so that they might feel a little less put out by them, if that makes sense? I dunno, where's the blah blah blah smilie :D

LMAO @ that last bit and well said on the rest. The only thing I can say is, without wishing to go on the full defence of someone else, Kiwis generally don't 'get' the sugar coating thing. They all speak to each other like that, whether you take offence or not is 'your problem' out there.

 

I'm not excusing his posting style or behaviour, just perhaps trying to shed some light for those who may feel offended by his posts, why he is doing so, so that they might feel a little less put out by them, if that makes sense? I dunno, where's the blah blah blah smilie :D

 

It wasnt aimed at anyone, nor would I ever get offended by what people say. To be honest I generally couldnt give a toss what most people say unless it is someone close to me!

 

Regardless of who you are or where you come from I think people should still have respect for others, thats all. Just completely agreed with Daffy's comments & think most grown up respectful people think the same.

 

Sadly the world is going down hill in many ways & social skills like this is just one area that in 20 years time I think will be completely missing. Its great to speak your mind but at the expense of others is not a good thing most of the time.

 

Everyone can have a bit of light hearted banter & thats fine, in a scenario like this you can rip shreds of people & it can be taken in the light hearted way in which it is meant. Or you can be blatently rude & come accross like a :censored: - most people know the difference but choose to ignore it.

It wasnt aimed at anyone, nor would I ever get offended by what people say. To be honest I generally couldnt give a toss what most people say unless it is someone close to me!

 

Regardless of who you are or where you come from I think people should still have respect for others, thats all. Just completely agreed with Daffy's comments & think most grown up respectful people think the same.

 

Sadly the world is going down hill in many ways & social skills like this is just one area that in 20 years time I think will be completely missing. Its great to speak your mind but at the expense of others is not a good thing most of the time.

 

Everyone can have a bit of light hearted banter & thats fine, in a scenario like this you can rip shreds of people & it can be taken in the light hearted way in which it is meant. Or you can be blatently rude & come accross like a :censored: - most people know the difference but choose to ignore it.

 

Again very well said mate and I couldn't agree more. I say bring back the fifties, when we all had different accents, wore suits in our free time and said 'how'd'you'do' to everyone with a tip of the hat. I wasn't alive back then, but seem like better times to me :(

Again very well said mate and I couldn't agree more. I say bring back the fifties, when we all had different accents, wore suits in our free time and said 'how'd'you'do' to everyone with a tip of the hat. I wasn't alive back then, but seem like better times to me :(

 

LOL!! Not sure I'd want quite like that but yup, there was certainly more respect. How many times have we heard our Grandparents go on about how they could leave their doors open & not worry about it etc?? We may all go, oh yea Gran, thats great - but you didnt have PS3's did you LOL!! But for sure in many ways they were much better times.

 

Kids had respect for teachers (or got a good hiding LOL), people had respect for each other

 

Imagine that!

How many times have we heard our Grandparents go on about how they could leave their doors open & not worry about it etc?? We may all go, oh yea Gran, thats great - but you didnt have PS3's did you LOL!!!

 

My Gran had an X Box 360 instead :laugh::laugh: (sorry couldnt resist!)

My Gran had an X Box 360 instead :laugh::laugh: (sorry couldnt resist!)

 

nah - this is what your gran would have had: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjoopy-If8

 

Eggs box - £3.60!! LOL!! :lol::lol::lol:

nah - this is what your gran would have had: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjoopy-If8

 

Eggs box - £3.60!! LOL!! :lol::lol::lol:

 

lol, superb!!! :)

nah - this is what your gran would have had: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjoopy-If8

 

Eggs box - £3.60!! LOL!! :lol::lol::lol:

 

ROFL love that clip every time I see it.

I know that wasn't directly targeted at me, but none the less i'd like to clarify everybody has thier own tastes and i can respect that, ie... if i don't like somebodys car i'm not going to diss it because it's thier car and they can do what they please with it.

 

I call it how i see it though, if somebody is going to get offended by a comment i make that is my opinion on the internet, then quite frankly they can build a bridge, start a group, whatever helps them sleep at night.

 

I'm not going to be all polite and smiley faces to not seem rude, because it would undermine my opinion to do so.

 

I'm not going to be intentionally rude to somebody for the sake of it, but if somebody is being a complete moron, or are argueing thier point when i know for a fact they are completely and utterly wrong.

 

Am i meant to sit here and somehow politely say, you're are completely wrong, i have already in a previous post proved this and yet you still contest it (smiley face)

 

I'm actually a very nice person, i understand i can be percieved as blunt abrasive and sometimes rude, it's pretty hard to get yourself across properly through words on a screen, and i don't think making my point then somehow lessening that point with politeness and smiley faces achieves any purpose whatsoever.

I've prettymuch made the same point multiple times there, feel free to pick out the PC version of your likening.

I know that wasn't directly targeted at me, but none the less i'd like to clarify everybody has thier own tastes and i can respect that, ie... if i don't like somebodys car i'm not going to diss it because it's thier car and they can do what they please with it.

 

I call it how i see it though, if somebody is going to get offended by a comment i make that is my opinion on the internet, then quite frankly they can build a bridge, start a group, whatever helps them sleep at night.

 

I'm not going to be all polite and smiley faces to not seem rude, because it would undermine my opinion to do so.

 

I'm not going to be intentionally rude to somebody for the sake of it, but if somebody is being a complete moron, or are argueing thier point when i know for a fact they are completely and utterly wrong.

 

Am i meant to sit here and somehow politely say, you're are completely wrong, i have already in a previous post proved this and yet you still contest it (smiley face)

 

I'm actually a very nice person, i understand i can be percieved as blunt abrasive and sometimes rude, it's pretty hard to get yourself across properly through words on a screen, and i don't think making my point then somehow lessening that point with politeness and smiley faces achieves any purpose whatsoever.

 

Whilst you make a good point mate and one I used to preach myself not so long ago, in some ways yes, you do need to do the whole 'politeness filter' when you're on a forum. I personally have had to step things back in my head, sit there for a minute before hitting post and think, now could I have gotten that point across the same way, without saying x? If so, I change it to y and if not, I either just hit post or if I do think someone might be upset when there's no real need to upset them to make the point, I just don't post.

 

I do get where you're coming from, my years in NZ were very refreshing in terms of being able to just say what I thought, without having to consider that someone might 'get the ump', but after 2 years back in England, I can honestly say, it just doesn't work that way here, the politeness is still very much a requirement. :beta1:

Whilst you make a good point mate and one I used to preach myself not so long ago, in some ways yes, you do need to do the whole 'politeness filter' when you're on a forum. I personally have had to step things back in my head, sit there for a minute before hitting post and think, now could I have gotten that point across the same way, without saying x? If so, I change it to y and if not, I either just hit post or if I do think someone might be upset when there's no real need to upset them to make the point, I just don't post.

 

I do get where you're coming from, my years in NZ were very refreshing in terms of being able to just say what I thought, without having to consider that someone might 'get the ump', but after 2 years back in England, I can honestly say, it just doesn't work that way here, the politeness is still very much a requirement. :beta1:

 

Oh yes definately i do filter but only to an extent, i will never outright abuse somebody and swear at them etc, anything i post i would gladly say to the persons face, not saying that to be all tough, just saying i don't see it as offensive, i'll filter a bit more as not to upset members here, but i'm only going to do that so much or i'm simply not getting my opinion across in the way i intend.

Oh yes definately i do filter but only to an extent, i will never outright abuse somebody and swear at them etc, anything i post i would gladly say to the persons face, not saying that to be all tough, just saying i don't see it as offensive, i'll filter a bit more as not to upset members here, but i'm only going to do that so much or i'm simply not getting my opinion across in the way i intend.

 

That's fair enough mate and I'm sure the membership here will appreciate your efforts all the more. You've been a good source of information regarding the Z32 and you know your stuff. Besides, we wouldn't want to lose ALL of your Kiwi charm now would we :taz:

That's fair enough mate and I'm sure the membership here will appreciate your efforts all the more. You've been a good source of information regarding the Z32 and you know your stuff. Besides, we wouldn't want to lose ALL of your Kiwi charm now would we :taz:

 

You sure do gots a mighty purdy mouf' :cowboy:

You sure do gots a mighty purdy mouf' :cowboy:

 

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You had me at baaaaa