All the latest space pictures are of giant gas clouds called star nurseries and of dying stars and the effects of black holes

 

So the question is this:

 

If a star is born, lives and shines with a life of its own like our sun, and then dies, is the star actually alive ? Is it an energy being ? where does it's force emerge from if it starts life in a cloud, albeit huge beyond comprehension, and it turns into a nuclear furnace, then the material wears out, like our own bodies and it dies ?

 

So, any thoughts ?

yea lay off the wacky baccy

dont see it as a life force or form as such but a cycle of combustion maybe?

I would say no it's not. To me you can compare a star to a fire In that it's more a chemical reaction than a life form.

dont see it as a life force or form as such but a cycle of combustion maybe?

 

 

I would say no it's not. To me you can compare a star to a fire In that it's more a chemical reaction than a life form.

 

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in a scientific view its nothing like a true lifeform but just a chemical reaction thats been going on like afterthoughts from the bigbang..on a spirtual level though you could argue that theyre mini bigbangs that are trying to start theyre own universes thus bringing life and death..in my opinion theyre just buitiful to look at and beyond my comprehension..but im kinda drunk

doesn't a star turn into a black hole when it dies (i.e. when its own gravity pulls itself into nothingness)? I've got a Stephen Hawking DVD knocking about somewhere on this - fascinating stuff!

doesn't a star turn into a black hole when it dies (i.e. when its own gravity pulls itself into nothingness)? I've got a Stephen Hawking DVD knocking about somewhere on this - fascinating stuff!

 

i think your correct i used to love this stuff in school..what i can remember is black holes are created when a certain star type(i think its dwarf) colapses under its on wieght and the pull exeeds the mass creating the black hole could be wrong though i got a credit in physic even though i was high most of the time...short memory n that

doesn't a star turn into a black hole when it dies (i.e. when its own gravity pulls itself into nothingness)? I've got a Stephen Hawking DVD knocking about somewhere on this - fascinating stuff!

 

not all stars but may be a pulsar might.

 

Normally when a star dies its because its finally converted all its hydrogen and then finally helium is used up, it sheds its outer layers.

 

Now depending how big the star is upon its death will denote if it becomes a black hole or not.

 

A star roughly the same size up to 1.5 times the size of our own sun for instant, will first become a red giant then a planetary nebular, then a white dwarf, then when that cools onto a black dwarf.

 

Now if the star is 3 times the mass of the sun for instance, it will first become a Red Super Giant followed by becoming Supernova and then MAY become either a Neutron star or if it gains enough mass a Black Hole

 

Then you have pulsars which are roughly the size of the moon, yet can weight more than the total combined weight of all the known planets in our solar system. they are very dense cores of red super giants, which are basically a neutron star that has collapsed enough in on its self from gravity that its not quite a black hole, yet smaller than a normal neutron star, they emit electromagnetic beams of radiation, they can only be picked up when the beam is directed at the earth, but can rotate very very rapidly, some have been reported to be emitting beams at a rotation of 1.4milliseconds between pulses, which is very fast rotation indeed.

 

But considering everything is a form of chemical reaction then id say a star is indeed alive.

 

PS can you tell i love astronomy lol

not all stars but may be a pulsar might.

 

Normally when a star dies its because its finally converted all its hydrogen and then finally helium is used up, it sheds its outer layers.

 

Now depending how big the star is upon its death will denote if it becomes a black hole or not.

 

A star roughly the same size up to 1.5 times the size of our own sun for instant, will first become a red giant then a planetary nebular, then a white dwarf, then when that cools onto a black dwarf.

 

Now if the star is 3 times the mass of the sun for instance, it will first become a Red Super Giant followed by becoming Supernova and then MAY become either a Neutron star or if it gains enough mass a Black Hole

 

Then you have pulsars which are roughly the size of the moon, yet can weight more than the total combined weight of all the known planets in our solar system. they are very dense cores of red super giants, which are basically a neutron star that has collapsed enough in on its self from gravity that its not quite a black hole, yet smaller than a normal neutron star, they emit electromagnetic beams of radiation, they can only be picked up when the beam is directed at the earth, but can rotate very very rapidly, some have been reported to be emitting beams at a rotation of 1.4milliseconds between pulses, which is very fast rotation indeed.

 

But considering everything is a form of chemical reaction then id say a star is indeed alive.

 

PS can you tell i love astronomy lol

 

some1's been watching bbc2..

some1's been watching bbc2..

 

nope, haven't watched any of the 5 standard channels in a long time mate, used to be well into astronomy though. had a 15inch dobsonian telescope (watched when shoemaker levy 9 hit Jupiter through that. was awesome), and then down graded to a more portable 12" reflection telescope.

 

Had a mahoosive collection of astronomy books. and just love everything about space :D

And our Ian has some wonderful theories about mars, etc, but i think part two of the conversation should wait till JAE this year :thumbup:

nope, haven't watched any of the 5 standard channels in a long time mate, used to be well into astronomy though. had a 15inch dobsonian telescope (watched when shoemaker levy 9 hit Jupiter through that. was awesome), and then down graded to a more portable 12" reflection telescope.

 

Had a mahoosive collection of astronomy books. and just love everything about space :D

 

was that when the rings rippled??..or am i thinking of something different

And our Ian has some wonderful theories about mars, etc, but i think part two of the conversation should wait till JAE this year :thumbup:

 

Yep lol

 

was that when the rings rippled??..or am i thinking of something different

 

Nope, that was when comet shoemaker levy 9, broke up and slammed into Jupiter back in July of '94

i always remember doing the experiment in school..shooting a laser at the mirror on the moon and calculating the speed and time for the bounce back..i guess thats why i love looking into space

why wait to jae

do tell ian

why wait to jae

do tell ian

 

Because there isn't enough storage on the forum for me to go into it here, and people get bored when faced with a wall of text as it is, with out the need to read 1547280 pages of how i think we came to be on earth :lol:

ok

is it got something to do with the kind o building on mars that sit 33 deg from each other and match with our own major pyramids

ok

is it got something to do with the kind o building on mars that sit 33 deg from each other and match with our own major pyramids

 

nope, nothing like that. it involves passages out of the bible, that might well be true but not about earth and not about god or Jesus or anything religious for that matter lol

 

The bermuda triangle

 

the extinction of the dinosaurs

 

And why we are the only species on the planet that have to adapt to survive to our environment regardless of where we are on the planet.

 

@groover, thanks bud, i have a feeling hes going to be more intrigued now. and I'm going to get moaned at by Mikey when he gets back :lol:

im f00kin intrigued

im f00kin intrigued

 

Best book into JAE then LOL

i would but mafraid ma motors f00ked if the thermostats not the problem

would really like to here about your on it..as long as its not a star trk theory or sumat..but sound like its not..

you got any links on your theory ian..i do love this stuff

i would but mafraid ma motors f00ked if the thermostats not the problem

would really like to here about your on it..as long as its not a star trk theory or sumat..but sound like its not..

you got any links on your theory ian..i do love this stuff

 

nope, its all in my head mate. ooh god why do i feel that im going to end up typing this crap out lol

Universe is just a single elementary particle in a giant airborne pigeon poo which is about to hit the ground and to us residing in it's space/time continuum means that will take like forever. :smartass:

nope, its all in my head mate. ooh god why do i feel that im going to end up typing this crap out lol

 

coz its gonna blow up yer heed..get it out and let me know yer theories..iv got my own but i dont want to come across as a sci-fi idiot..im not really..just have my own theories as how we got here it involes some accepted evolution theories aswell as some other things..if that makes sence

personally i would say no, if you collected a jar full of exhaust gases would you then say it was alive? i don't think so. and i see stars in much the same way.

 

gases aren't alive they are just reactive, you cant teach a fart to make coffee!! :1eye: