Does anybody else Double Clutch when driving normally??

 

Makes gear changes so much better and smoother really helps the syncro's!

 

Just wondering if anybody else does it as my mate thinks im mental for doing it almost all the time!!

 

Thanks

 

Munny

i do it sometimes and after alot of practise you can make the car sound beefy as foook with a little rev between

 

well i think so anyway lol

:)

I never knew how to, but then i became a copper (not any more) and was trained to whilst doing various police driving courses, makes a hell of a differnce now its 2nd nature.

Yes I agree its a great way to keep the revs up between changes and does sound like the car likes it.

It wont help you go any quicker though, probably slower, but its kind to the syncros.

 

Learn to heel and toe if anything.

It wont help you go any quicker though, probably slower, but its kind to the syncros.

 

Learn to heel and toe if anything.

 

I find it nearly impossible to heel and toe a 300 because of the angle of the pedals, its almost like a staircase lol. athough i can do it in my fiesta which isnt much use:wack:

I find it nearly impossible to heel and toe a 300 because of the angle of the pedals, its almost like a staircase lol. athough i can do it in my fiesta which isnt much use:wack:

 

Yeah it is a bit tricky, When the brake is being pressed down quite firmly the throttle then becomes closer so blipping it becomes easier with your heel, Its hard to blip it for example if your harldy braking as its miles away, Easy thing to do would be to adjust the pedals and buy some aftermarket pedals which have a larger edge on the throttle pedal making them closer?

Yeah it is a bit tricky, When the brake is being pressed down quite firmly the throttle then becomes closer so blipping it becomes easier with your heel, Its hard to blip it for example if your harldy braking as its miles away, Easy thing to do would be to adjust the pedals and buy some aftermarket pedals which have a larger edge on the throttle pedal making them closer?

 

Good advice, am i correct in thinking the only benefit of heel and toe is on down shifting to match the engine speed to the gearbox speed and stop the diff locking up?

Good advice, am i correct in thinking the only benefit of heel and toe is on down shifting to match the engine speed to the gearbox speed and stop the diff locking up?

 

Yeah, basically for a smooth downshift so the rear wheels dont loose traction. Practice makes perfect.

Mate of mine went on a rally driving cousre and was told how to do it. He then told me how to do it (when I was 19) and I've been doing it ever since (when i'm in a manual car!). If you get it right, you can corner at amazing speeds with out loosing traction. It's also fantastic for dropping a cog and overtaking. If you get quick enough at it you will really see advantages in using it.

 

Very, very addictive!!

Edited March 28, 200916 yr by Andy Isherwood
crap spelling!

Sorry for sounding a bit fick, but how is it done exactly?

Sorry for sounding a bit fick, but how is it done exactly?

 

Me too, just watched a couple of vids on youtube, will have a go later when I go out.

Sorry for sounding a bit fick, but how is it done exactly?

 

Basically with the clutch down, put your right foot (toes) on the brake, then at the same time swing your heel across to the throttle and give it a little blip so the engine speed is matched to the lower gear just before you engage and that will stop the car from jolting and breaking traction.....hopefully!

im a little confused too - i can see the obvious benefit of bringing the revs up between dropping a gear so its smoother, but why cant you just blip the throttle between the gear change, instead of moving to neutral, bringing the clutch up and then pressing down again to go into the lower gear? :confused:

I blip and shift down, comes naturally to me.

 

No idea what these tremek tk500 boxes are like to change gear in but hoping they're pretty smooth

im a little confused too - i can see the obvious benefit of bringing the revs up between dropping a gear so its smoother, but why cant you just blip the throttle between the gear change, instead of moving to neutral, bringing the clutch up and then pressing down again to go into the lower gear? :confused:

 

I believe (someone correct me if im wrong) similar to heel n toe, putting the box in neutral first then blipping the throttle spins the gearbox to match the speed of the engine then it will slip into gear easier and be kinder to the synchros?

I blip and shift down, comes naturally to me.

 

No idea what these tremek tk500 boxes are like to change gear in but hoping they're pretty smooth

 

Is that kinda like a dog box? id love to have a go on one, apparently they work better the harder you smash them into gear haha

im a little confused too - i can see the obvious benefit of bringing the revs up between dropping a gear so its smoother, but why cant you just blip the throttle between the gear change, instead of moving to neutral, bringing the clutch up and then pressing down again to go into the lower gear? :confused:

 

I realise it sounds an awfully long process but really it doesn't even take a half second more than usual!you dont have to but it just makes it alot easier. Brains not thinking on my Edit :( where did it go bah!!!

 

1. Double Clutching! Easier on the cogs makes smoother gear changes when shifting up and down!

How To : If your in 2nd Clutch In, Neutral, Clutch Out, Clutch In, into 3rd, Clutch Out! Helps the Syncros catch up properly you will notice a huge difference in ease of popping into gear being aggressive shifting or just in traffic!

 

2. Heel-Toe Blip Downshifts! By 'Blipping' the throttle (tap it to pop the revs up) when down shifting will help match the Revs when down shifting! So if your in 3rd at 1500 downshift to second think your revs will go to 2100say if you blip the throttle will match them better when you pop into 2nd instead of revs drop (as clutch is in) then when you let clutch out you get that horrid engine braking as it picks up the revs!Benefit is quicker gear changes rev wise so can go on throttle quicker and your braking and preparing next gear at same time!

How To: Very tricky this one but its very beneficial! Clutch in with left foot, Right foot hold down the brake using Toes then with your heel pop it on the throttle so as your braking and shifting your push your heel in to 'blip' the throttle picking the revs up as your going into gear! So your doing everything at once!

 

I cant do heel - toe and personally i am clutch in, brake, clutch out then in as braking, Blip throttle, clutch out and back on brakes until needed!

 

Will be very weird at first but very useful making life easier for the engine! Hope you can all understand my tired brains logic

 

Hope this helps you guys!

Edited March 28, 200916 yr by Munny975

im a little confused too - i can see the obvious benefit of bringing the revs up between dropping a gear so its smoother, but why cant you just blip the throttle between the gear change, instead of moving to neutral, bringing the clutch up and then pressing down again to go into the lower gear? :confused:

 

Ok time to get technical!!

 

You have a drive line from the flywheel to the wheels.

 

In this line you have various components transfering the power as follows:-

 

Flywheel, 2 friction plates plates in the clutch, synchro mesh gears from 2nd upwards, lay shaft, gear box final drive, prop, diff, wheels.

 

The key component in this process is the LAY SHAFT.

 

The lay shaft is a rotating shaft in the gear box that connects to the final drive (wheels end) to the power in end of the gear box (engine/flywheel).

 

When you select a gear, the gear cog is connected to the lay shaft when the clutch pedal is released (i.e up).

 

If you have the car in NUETRAL and the clutch up and rev the engine, you will be spinning the lay shaft.... this is where the magic happens!!!!

 

The whole idea is to get the lay shaft (by increasing the engine revs) spinning at the same speed as the approaching gear on a down change so that there is no jerk in the power line between the engine and the road wheels. This is one of the reasond Sterling Moss was so fast because he was so smooth into and out of corners.

 

Confusing stuff but once you get it, it make perfect sense. Perhaps a diagram of a gear box will help!!

 

I've got to run now to get ready to go to St Alabans for Wozzers birthday bash!!

 

Hope my explanation helps!!

 

 

Andy

tell you what Andy that's helped a treat - and ive learned something new about the gearbox. i was labouring under the misunderstanding that neutral and clutch down were the same thing. i didnt realise that things were happening even in neutral. thanks for taking the time to explain that mate! double-clutching, here we come! [ah crap, i cant even get my z off the driveway at the moment - will have to practice in the civic!]

lol, ive been double-clutching all the way to work and back since i read this thread!!! :D heel-and-toeing in the civic is a nightmare as the gas pedal is tucked away much lower than the brake pedal. it makes such a smooth drop in gear when you (by fluke!) get the revs about right during the transition.

I have only seen people double clutching on heavy duty diesel busses and trucks. Can say it makes a difference and makes a smooth shift. But c'mon on a zed? Do you really want to do double clutching? Or did you meant half clutching?

tell you what Andy that's helped a treat - and ive learned something new about the gearbox. i was labouring under the misunderstanding that neutral and clutch down were the same thing. i didnt realise that things were happening even in neutral. thanks for taking the time to explain that mate! double-clutching, here we come! [ah crap, i cant even get my z off the driveway at the moment - will have to practice in the civic!]

 

Yeah thats why you should always start a car with the clutch pressed.

 

If its in neutral the starter motor is turning the box and the engine putting more load on it!

Yeah thats why you should always start a car with the clutch pressed.

 

If its in neutral the starter motor is turning the box and the engine putting more load on it!

 

Starting a car with the clutch down increases wear on the engines thrust bearings.Better to shake the stick left to right to ensure neutral then start it.The amount of load caused by turning the primary shaft and layshaft is negligible.

whats the difference then between double clutching and double de-clutching?

Its the same thing.Just some peeps call it by different names.Truckers always refer to it as double de clutching.Thats from the good ole days of eaton twin splits and fuller road rangers.European truck boxes are syncromesh now.