Ok guys, following on from the Saturday night debate, which I didn't have any time to contribute to, except say that I believe in God (not specific Religions), have a look at this video. Some may believe and some may reject but definitely worth a look! Its 2 hours long and after the first 10 minutes it gets good (I mean gets frightening) but please watch from the start. The first few minutes are audio.

 

Covers 3 main subjects :

1. Religion

2. September 11 (did you know a 3rd building collapsed that no plane hit????)

3. Central Banks, Federal Reserve etc...

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1817848131611744924&ei=IMR1SbvlLorojgKp5vC7BQ&q=Zeitgeist+the+movie+with+subtitles

 

Comments after you look at it please, because it is definitely thought provoking. Of course some will say conspiracy theories, but it will be interesting to get feedback..

 

Colm

Edited February 1, 200916 yr by chayden

Have a look @

Zeitgeist: Addendum

ENDGAME(Alex Jones)

Protocols of ZION (literature)

Thing is iv noticed with films like Zeitgeist they are very suggestive and all well we found his and that not masses of Solid bold Facts (bn a while since i watched it though) and its all to make you think and as most Americans do as they are told they believe it which is why some people loved it and ALOT of people hated it as a film! All Suggestive :D

 

REWATCHED the religious bit and is all to be believed and probably true but as i said ina previous thread is all a SCAM!

Edited February 1, 200916 yr by Munny975

2. September 11 (did you know a 3rd building collapsed that no plane hit????)

At the risk of adding facts to one of the numerous dumb ideas that sprouted out of the Sept.11 attack, read this.

I doubt even facts will change your minds though!

 

9/11 Truth, Here is the Proof, WTC Building 7 imploded due to Fire and Heat National Institute of Standards Report Says.

 

Fires in the 47-story office tower at the edge of the World Trade Center site undermined floor beams and critical structural columns, federal investigators concluded Thursday, as they attempted to curb still-rampant speculation that explosives or fuel fires were responsible for the building’s collapse of Sept. 11, 2001.

 

Text of the Report

 

The long-delayed report by engineers here at the National Institute of Standards and Technology in suburban Washington is intended to solve one of still lingering central questions about the 2001 attacks: Why did 7 World Trade Center fall, if it was not hit by an airplane.

 

“Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail,” said Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator. “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oils played a role in the collapse that brought the building down.”

 

No one died when 7 World Trade Center fell, nearly seven hours after the twin towers came down. But the collapse of the adjacent tower — once home to branch offices of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service and to the Giuliani administration’s emergency operations center — is cited in hundreds of books and Internet sites as perhaps the most compelling evidence that an insider secretly planted explosives, intentionally destroying the tower.

 

It is the first skyscraper in modern times to collapse primarily as a result of a fire.

 

The investigators determined that debris from the falling twin towers ignited fires on at least 10 floors at 7 World Trade Center, which was about 400 feet north of where the city’s two tallest buildings once stood. The blazes burned out of control for six hours, as the city fire department, devastated by the collapse of the twin towers, abandoned its efforts to extinguish the fire, and the sprinkler system was incapacitated.

 

The heat from these fires, the investigators said, caused the beams on the lower floors of the east side of the tower to expand, ultimately causing a girder on the 13th floor to disconnect from a critical interior column that supported the building’s long floor spans. Once the 13th floor gave way, a cascade of floor failures started down to the fifth floor, leading to the overall collapse of the tower.

 

The investigators said that if the city water main had not been broken during the collapse of the twin towers, the sprinkler system would likely have put out the fires at 7 World Trade Center, and the building would not have fallen.

Edited February 1, 200916 yr by Graham S

The whole 9/11 thing was stupid! Like comon if your planning it all at least make it look convincing! The amount of money spent at least bloody crash a real plane into Pentagon or something! Building 7 was the dumbest thing ever!! Oh Fire brought down a Building LMAO!!!

definately thought provoking,

It was actually fire that brought down the Twin Towers.

The intense fire causing the joints to fail.

 

The Trade Centre complex was built in an unusual (cheap?) way. Nothing like other previous skyscrapers.

(Don't forget they had to make two of them!)

 

Built like a monocoque, the stresses being directed by the floor trusses through the central core and the outer steel columns of the building. Unfortunately the massive damage caused by the plane and subsequent aviation-fuel fire destroyed the joints of the trusses. The rest of the building could not cope with the extra stresses and the inevitable happened.

 

"7 World Trade Center" collapsed because a fooking great skyscraper almost fell on it. Damage from debris, fire, lack of water or anyone to deal with it, undermined the building causing it to collapse.

 

The truth is usually much too boring for the conspiracy-theory lovers of the world.:headvswal

It was actually fire that brought down the Twin Towers.

The intense fire causing the joints to fail.

 

The Trade Centre complex was built in an unusual (cheap?) way. Nothing like other previous skyscrapers.

(Don't forget they had to make two of them!)

 

Built like a monocoque, the stresses being directed by the floor trusses through the central core and the outer steel columns of the building. Unfortunately the massive damage caused by the plane and subsequent aviation-fuel fire destroyed the joints of the trusses. The rest of the building could not cope with the extra stresses and the inevitable happened.

 

"7 World Trade Center" collapsed because a fooking great skyscraper almost fell on it. Damage from debris, fire, lack of water or anyone to deal with it, undermined the building causing it to collapse.

 

The truth is usually much too boring for the conspiracy-theory lovers of the world.:headvswal

Watch the film 'Loose Change', no conspiracy theory's, just facts. The building at worst would of split in half not fall to the ground neatly and as quickly as it did like a controlled demolition.

Don't kid yourself.

Don't kid yourself.

 

Have you seen the film?

I doubt even facts will change your minds though!

 

If that comment was directed at me, I'd like to clearly state that my mind is open to all suggestions and I formulate my mind based on facts that are presented. I posted the link up really about the "is there a God debate" more so than to start a Sept 11th debate. But to be honest until very recently I did not know that a 3rd building collapsed.

 

Based on probability and building design and fire regulations (which at least exist in Ireland) I find it very difficult to comprehend how a building of such magnitude could implode and collapse like a controlled explosion from a fire which started within the building from materials which I expect would have been fire rated.

 

Now as regards the war in Iraq and the subsequent oil, why not have a funny look at the two John's factually based presentation :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptzml1qQvZE :)