JohnA

group sex. That "warm feeling inside" someone mentioned before, lol.... ok, ok....group hug!................

OK guys, I won't bother anymore, got nothing to prove. Let's just stick to the photoshop jokes, shall we? :)

yes they are, or else their dealers/salespeople would be ridiculed by knowledgeable punters. This was not meant to be published for the general public, not a marketing document.

I've got a 12-page document written by Toyota for their own dealers, comparing the supra mkiv to the zed. It is point by point, since they were commercial rivals at the time and their salespeople should be prepared for factual comparisons by punters. If anyone's interested I could post the link here, but I warn you that the supra wins most of the points. After all it had the advantage of being designed later on, with the GTO and the zed in it's sights as prey.

The supra's front lights flashing are more annoying, as you probably already know :duffer: :wack:

I'm talking about a bone-stock UKSpec supra with the 155mph limiter removed (by pulling out the TC fuse) They are not my stats, they are Toyota's own figures. The zed does have shorter gearing from what I remember, meaning that it has an advantage on everyday acceleration runs. The supra trades off in-gear acceleration for top speed potential. After all, 326bhp stock is more than 280.

Nobody said that the zed is not a pretty car. In my eyes it's gorgeous, that's why I almost bought one about a year ago. I test drove quite a few. Long or short versions, they are low-slung, sexy and mean. Unfortunately they are also heavier than the supra and the sleek bonnet that makes them so pretty doesn't allow for much airflow around the engine --- leading to all sorts of heat-related issues. In the end I went for the supra because of the higher-bhp potential and better (overall) reliability track record. Looks-wise, I think that the zed is marginally prettier (in my eyes), but performance is another matter. Once a boosted supra gets going, it's GONE A *stock* UKSpec supra with the traction control fuse off can do 180 mph on a long straight, real ones (Toyota figure) Uprated ones, still on stock turbos/fuelling/etc can do 190+ on GPS instruments, on the Autobahn. The zed can't match that, can it?